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Another combination has Justice League holding far better than BvS or Suicide Squad. Let's say it drops just 25% today and 10% tomorrow. Still gets you to just $94 million. Playing out like The Dark Knight (-29%, -8.5%) gets you to just $91.5 million We'll know far more by this time tomorrow, and again when the final Sunday tallies come through Tuesday.

Umm...experience. $93 million presumes roughly 20% drops from Friday to Saturday (including Thursday night previews), and again from Saturday to Sunday. Even that might be generous. BvS dropped 38% then 33% Suicide Squad dropped 40%, then 22% By comparison, Wonder Woman dropped just 8%, then `16%. The Dark Knight dropped just 29%, then 8.5%. If it plays like Wonder Woman, Justice League banks $105 million for the weekend. If it plays like Suicide Squad, it banks just over $80 million for the weekend. Hedge your bets and take the average between the two, and you come out to $93 million.

I pre-ordered 12 copies at $2 apiece and sold them to kids in my high school study hall that week for $12 apiece. But my LCS was on the ball. To advertise the whole "Doomsday" storyline they had huge posters reminding subscribers to pre-order the whole series. They also put out about 60 copies of Superman ('87) # 1 at cover price as a promotion. Because of this, I had two sets of the series, but bought 8 copies of Man of Steel 18 and 12 copies of Supes 75 off the shelf.

Yeah - I get that, but Defenders always struck me as B-list, while Iron Fist was C-list. Punisher may be B-list now, but he was an A-list superstar in the late '80s-mid-'90s. I get that we've already seen him headline three movies but would think there'd be far more enthusiasm for this series (esp. as a direct follow-up to Daredevil Season 2).

Box Office Mojo has now revised its opening weekend estimate to $93-$95 million, down from $118 million on Thursday. Ouch.

In addition to Black Widow, Iron Man 2 had Sam Rockwell and that drunken fight between Tony and Rhodey. It's got a rewatchability factor for me that the Thor movies lack. Fun fact: Shane Black was cast in Predator primarily because the producers wanted him to polish the -script. He declined because a) he liked the -script as written and b) because he wanted to establish himself as an actor. So instead, they changed the -script to kill him off first.

Iron Man 2 was more entertaining for me than Thor 1 or 2. And Iron Man 3 ruled -- the Mandarin twist (and fanboy's crazed reaction to it) was classic Shane Black. Cannot _wait_ to see what he does with his return to the Predator franchise. Also have my fingers crossed that Doc Savage actually comes together with The Rock.

I'm not Jaydogrules. And I'm not a fan of schadenfreude. But personally, I'm happy to relish in negativity if: 1) the movie deserves it (which, the critics response and lack of projected box office so far seem to indicate); and 2) the studios learn to course correct -- take the time to make decent films rather than blindly try to chase Avengers money without first laying the proper groundwork. Clearly Snyder's ethos isn't resonating with viewers. And BvS and Suicide Squad turned folks off. As Mendelson wrote, "Twice bitten, thrice shy."

Weird how there seems to be less buzz and enthusiasm on this board about this show than there was for even Iron Fist. Wondering if the Netflix superhero shows are waning or if folks are already focused on Thanksgiving week travels.

Hard to believe that Superman 75 was released 25 years ago today. The most hyped book of my childhood and yet those of us who were collecting then had fair warning, were "in the know" before John Q. Public. For a brief time, we geeks were cool. It's also a bit sweet that we can commerate that iconic issue by watching a Justice League film that features his rebirth.

True - and critics seem to like Justice Leage a helluva lot more than they did either Suicide Squad or BvS. So there's that!

Sigh... I'm not a Marvel v. DC guy. But I will say I thought Thor 2 was the worst Marvel flick I've seen (just behind The Incredible Hulk). A better Apples-to-Apples comparison would be to note that Suicide Squad received a B+ CinemaScore and that movie was pants.

First episode was solid. Just...not what I expected... Reserving judgment, but it may take me a few more episodes to see where they're going with it...

Yeah - but his analysis is interesting, for context. If it's as front-loaded as BvS or Suicide Squad, it's in for ~$87 million opening weekend. If it plays like Wonder Woman, it could rock a $117 million opening weekend -- which mirrors the early predictions of $110-$120 million. But yeah, starting 10% behind Thor, which clocked in at $122 million = not a great sign and would put its max at $110 million (the current consensus. Natch.)

If the high end of this weekend's projections hold (say, $125 million) that puts it ~$40 million behind BvS. But then it should hold better over the Thanksgiving holiday and potentially the next two weeks as well. Would put it on track for $300-$350 million domestic, roughly the same ballpark as BvS's $330 million & Suicide Squad's $325 million. So is this a "failure" if it plays like Man of Steel (with its $116 million opening) and can't quite reach $300 million domestic?

Anybody begun watching this yet?

Amen to all of what you wrote. But to this point especially -- comic book films are now so ubiquitous that I think to really succeed, they need to advance the ball -- bring something fresh to the table. The genre-mashing you cited does that. More to the point, I found Age of Ultron to be slightly disappointing because it was the second time around. Even with the additions of Vision, Scarlett Witch, and Quicksilver, the whole third act city-ending alien fight scene already seemed stale. If it came out today, a full two years later, I'm sure I'd find it even worse. Sooner or later, the ride will end -- a few high-profile comic book films will bomb and studios will scrap their plans in favor of the next big trend. To stave that dark day off as long as possible, to keep the public interested,comic book films to experiment and evolve.

Well, yeah. "Unite the Seven" after all. But...is this film actually based on that storyline (minus the Darkseid appearance)? http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League:_Origin I haven't read it but it seems analagous and some critics have confirmed their are boom tubes.

This. A million times this. I'm a comic book geek but believe that we geeks -- even more than the general public -- deserve quality renditions of our beloved characters. In a day and age where Hollywood has proven it could craft a thrilling film out of freakin' Guardians of the Galaxy, given us a modern western of a Wolverine film with real emotional resonance, and produced a Wonder Woman film that went beyond a mere origin story with a period war espionage plot, there's no excuse not to do these stories right. Heck - I'm excited for a New Mutants horror movie. We as comic geeks should be intellectually honest with each other and hold these films to the highest standards -- it's not enough to be satisfied just seeing our childhood heroes interact on the big screen. With the amount of talent and money involved, studios should take the time to get it right.

Gore Verbinski's directing Gambit? Whoa...

Hey - if the 40% positive score holds, it means that 50% more critics liked it than did Batman v. Superman. Progress!

I don't think it was Affleck. Don't forget a key difference between Man of Steel and the other DCEU -- Man of Steel was overseen by Nolan. For that matter, tons of folks either don't know or have forgotten Snyder's influence on Wonder Woman -- he was credited with writing the story.

Exactly. I've never understood the "DC" vs. "Marvel" or "Disney vs. Fox vs. Sony" b.s. It's simpler than that -- good movies will be rewarded by the critics and the public at large. Bad movies won't. Critics _loved_ Wonder Woman and they should have -- it was amazing. Critics also loved the Nolan Batman trilogy (because...ditto). And thank god for Deadpool and Logan, which taught the Disney fanboys that Fox can make great superhero films too. Good movies are good. It's not rocket surgery.