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What's wrong with "young the thing up?" If I recall correctly, Peter Parker was a high schooler when he got bitten by the spider. Tom Holland is 20 years old - a bit long in the tooth for playing a high schooler. Also, let's not forget that it's been so long since the original Spidey movie that that Flash Thompson has grown into this: Oh, and screw Mary Jane -- he married Sofia Vergara!

Wow - Tarzan did more than $100 million better worldwide than Star Trek? That's kind of awesome. Also notable that by this weekend Suicide Squad will have done $100 million worldwide better than X-Men: Apocalypse. I can attest, as I've seen SS, but skipped Apocalypse, even when it hit the $2 theater two blocks from my house last week. SS might have been a dumpster fire, but at least it _tried_ to do something different. I'm a huge X-Men fan and Apocalypse is the first one I didn't see opening weekend, let alone in the theater at all.

At least that had decent Finch artwork

Seriously? Does the guy not know anything about these characters? That's horrible.

Wow - I clearly haven't been reading moderns in a decade. Found this criticism of Loeb from a different board: "- He created Superb**** (Kara only became a decent character once Loeb left her alone and stopped trying to God Mode her) - Every villain he creates is just a reverse of the main villain, and they're all supposed to be Magnificent Bastards (Red Hulk, Hush, Dark Supergirl) - He killed the Ultimate Universe singlehandedly - Red Hulk - Batman's line was cut and he was completely immobilized. - The same Batman defeated Solomon Grundy multiple times, in H2H, with no prep-time, and standard gear. SOLOMON GRUNDY. - Superman and Batman can apparently take down every villain in DC, including Mongul and Lady Shiva, in a minute, with no prep-time, no back-up, and no idea who is actually attacking them. - Dark Victory is the same thing as Long Halloween (without being nearly as great) - Emperor Joker - Seriously, Emperor Joker. - He turned Darkseid into a joke. - Supergirl and Superman both withstood MULTIPLE blasts of the OMEGA BEAMS. - His comic was responsible for the worst animated movie ever; Superman/Batman: Apocalypse - Every "strong" female character he writes is only powerful because they talk down to male characters." Honorable mention to a sequence in Red Hulk where apparently Hulk kills Silver Surfer by choking him, then joyrides his board to go punch The Watcher. I need to go find this issue just for the LOLs.

Eh...I give him a (nearly-) lifetime pass for "Hush." It was like Knightfall, but good, and with far better art. Easily the best in-continuity Batman story since the 70s.

Bosco - I love it, but umm... 2013 called. They want their meme back. Seriously, though - I haven't been reading Marvel comics for a few years (and I was never a huge fan of New Warriors or Guardians to begin with) but I would have easily put my faith in Bendis (he _killed_ it on Daredevil Vol.2 and a good 50 issues of ASM before the whole Sins Past fiasco) and (especially) Jeph Loeb (of The Long Halloween and Hush fame). If they couldn't even manage the comics-to-screen transition of these characters effectively, it's a bad omen that perhaps not even Geoff Johns can help save the DCEU.

Interesting article that rips on the concept and indicts Joe Quesada, Jeph Loeb and Brian Michael Bendis for their recent (and failed) relaunches of both Guardians of the Galaxy and The New Warriors comics in service of the Marvel TV shows & movies rather than fidelity to the classic characters. http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/just-say-no-new-warriors-comedy-series-marvel-tv

I don't see how this could possibly work, esp. as a TV show. Limited (like, 8-episode) Netflix run? Maybe. But...no. Better yet - they should just produce a single 45-minute pilot. Like as a gag and nod to the fans, but not pretend that such a humorous take this can develop into anything long-standing.

none with any integrity Popular does not equal good. see: every Transformers movie

For a film that's supposed to come out in 2017, they're certainly slow-playing this. We should know at least half the cast for Bloodshot right now, as well as shooting dates. Seriously doubt we'll see anything before 2018.

It's been out for three weeks and this is a comic book message board. I'm pretty sure everyone who wants to see SS already has.

Which I still need to see. It was bad - not horrible, just disappointing given the talent & premise involved. Could be worth a watch on a lazy Sunday afternoon, but the underrated Mindhunters is a better bet for your time if you're into a "someone killing off close-knit group of cops 10-Little-Indians-style" flick. Or you could just read David Baldacci's "Last Man Standing."

Not bad, considering Ayer's 2014 Schwarzenegger action thriller Sabotage did less than $18 million worldwide.

I didn't start reading New Mutants until the Liefeld pre-X-Force run, so I'm glad to see Cannonball and Wolfsbane, but the only non-X-Force character I'm really psyched to see on the big screen is Warlock.

Maybe it was an execution vs. expectation thing, but Blade 2 was so much better than it had any right to be it's ridiculous. It nearly expands beyond mere vampires into classic horror movie territory. For his first big budget ($50 million) film, Guillermo del Toro just kills it. The screenplay got Goyer the gig writing Batman Begins. And you've got great supporting turns from Ron Perlman and a pre-Walking Dead Norman Reedus. Blade 2 is what's possible when you make a B movie of a C-list comic character with grade A talent.

I can't believe that many people honestly preferred Suicide Squad to Civil War. And, judging by box office dollars, they demonstrably didn't, but Mendelson's comparing budget-to-revenue proportionality here, not number of tickets sold.

Yeah - read this yesterday and it validates my worst fears. If it becomes the norm that "the critically acclaimed comic book sequel isn’t doing much better in terms of legs than the critically trashed ones," than the studios have zero incentive to make quality films. The core fanbase will show up regardless in the first week and push the films to success, so the studios will continue pushing out . And we as comic book fans should demand better. It's not enough to just see our favorite characters on the big screen -- something unthinkable outside of only the most popular superheroes even just 10 years ago -- we should demand quality storylines and products. Contrast the care with which Spiderman 2, The Dark Knight and even Blade 2 were put together, vs. the likes of BvS and SS -- sure, those were all sequels rather than initial offerings but to me the differences in quality were palpable.

Amen!

Also, props to James Gunn for proactively responding to the reactions this Facebook post received. The top 3 are below, and he echoes my thoughts 100%. Angrea Furiosa Brig Fowler I agree on principle, but in practice when an non-white character is played by a white person in the movies...it's white washing? So, I can see why people are upset, I don't agree with them because IT'S FICTION!!! But it can't be both ways. James Gunn's response: I don't always agree with charges of white washing, but there is a difference between changing one of the very few minority characters into yet another white person and changing one of the almost-all white people into a minority. Christopher Thigpen ..the only thing i dislike is changing races. its poor planning and laziness. you have hundreds of heroes at one's disposal, don't change race, just to have that race in the film. Bring out the other hero's. and no..The Johnny Storm casting was garbage, but then again, that entire film was a fugazi. Again, it is LAZY. James Gunn's response: I don't mean to be overly offensive, but all of you people assuming that black actors are chosen because the studios want a black person in the role, as opposed to them being the best actor for the role, are kinda missing something. That's how it works sometimes, but not usually. Usually lots of people audition and if the best actor is not white, that's who gets cast. Tim Galian Johnny Storm was Sue Storm's brother, period. If you were going to change races for whatever reason (don't know why you would) but change them both. They really had to write a load of half assed to change the story for zero payoff other than satisfying some ridiculous PC need. Captain America in the comics changed to a Blackman, it was done in a very organic way with an existing character, and made sense, same for Iron man, Spiderman, Green Lantern and a few others. There are ways to do it without totally destroying the character that even serve to further the story line. Don't do it for no apparent reason. I've no issue with any of the heroes being one way or the other, just don't change what the character is and what it represents for no reason. If you have a need to fill some quota to represent something you don't feel is represented, create a new character. James Gunn's response: I have adopted cousins and nieces and nephews. You know what I call them? Cousins and nieces and nephews. I'm really sick of this thing of saying he's not her brother because he's adopted.

This is wildly_fanciful_statement of the highest order. Oh Really? See James Gunn's defense of Zendaya's casting from his Facebook post a few days back: James Gunn August 19 at 2:40pm · "People get upset when something they consider intrinsic to a comic book character changes when adapted for a film. I get this. There are movies I dislike because I think there's a basic misunderstanding of the story or the character when the comic is transferred to film (I still hate how in the first Batman movie the Joker was revealed as the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, for instance.) That said, I do not believe a character is the color of his or her skin. When Michael B Jordan was cast as Johnny Storm I didn't understand the uproar. The primary characteristic of Johnny was not, to me, that he was white, or that he had blonde hair, but that he was a fiery, funny, big-mouthed braggart of a hero. I was happy that he was going to be played by one of the finest and most charming young actors out there. Yesterday, a rumor broke out that the character of Mary Jane was being played by a young black woman, Zendaya, and all hell broke out on the Internet (again). I tweeted that if people find themselves complaining about Mary Jane's ethnicity they have lives that are too good. (For those of you who think this means I'm confirming that Zendaya IS playing MJ, realize that although I've read the Spidey -script, and I've met the actress in question, I have no idea what her role is. There's a good chance someone told me at one time or another, but, if so, I can't remember. I'm going to find out when I go into Marvel this afternoon, but I feel free to speak until that time because it's about the concept about a black woman playing Mary Jane, not the actuality or hypothesis of it.) I got a thousand or so responses to my tweet. Most of them were positive. Some folks disagreed - they thought the character should look like what she looks like in the comics - but were thoughtful. And a handful were flat out racist. I can't respond to the racists - I'm not ever going to change their minds. But for the thoughtful majority of you out there: For me, if a character's primary attribute - the thing that makes them iconic - is the color of their skin, or their hair color, frankly, that character is shallow and sucks. For me, what makes MJ MJ is her alpha female playfulness, and if the actress captures that, then she'll work. And, for the record, I think Zendaya even matches what I think of as MJ's primary physical characteristics - she's a tall, thin model - much more so than actresses have in the past. Whatever the case, if we're going to continue to make movies based on the almost all white heroes and supporting characters from the comics of the last century, we're going to have to get used to them being more reflective of our diverse present world. Perhaps we can be open to the idea that, although someone may not initially match how we personally conceive a character, we can be - and often are - happily surprised."

I approve of both Kyle Chandler and Mackenzie Davis in these roles. Davis was a revelation in Halt & Catch Fire, and while I think Jon Hamm has more the look of Cable, Chandler's a better actor. He'll bring a tortured humanity to the role.

Sounds like sour grapes. Were you this vocal when Guardians of the Galaxy took #1 at the box office with $17M twice and $10M once? (Yes, it was #1 with only $10M.) that was GOTG's 6th weekend. let me know how SS is doing in it's 6th weekend by comparison. the notion that SS is exhibiting any kind of legs is ludicrous. down 67% 2nd weekend, down 52% third weekend. this is barely better than BvS down 69%, down 54%. BvS had close to the worst superhero movie holds on record. the comps will look better after next weekend when BvS got clubbed down 61% by Jungle Book and SS is going up against Mechanic: Resurrection (which will be fortunate to do $10mm). SS should be #1 the next two weekends. Yeah - Guardians of the Galaxy this ain't. SS went from an opening weekend record more than 35% higher than GotG to doing much worse starting this weekend: Suicide Squad: Friday: $6 million Saturday: $8.7 million Sunday: $5.9 million Guardians: Friday: $6.9 million Saturday: $10.4 million Sunday: $7.8 million It's falling fast & hard, despite the lack of any serious competition. And we comic fans should applaud this, so maybe DC stops putting out .

This. Also, Dan Slott has endorsed Disney's casting moves for this film. You know, Dan Slott, who has basically written Amazing Spider-Man since 2008 (more than 200 issues featuring Spider-Man so far). More than anyone else, he is the architect of today's Spider-Man. Sure, he drummed up some controversy with a recent tweet defending MJ's casting: "Spider-Man was created 2 yrs B4 segregated water fountains went away. Times change. It's ok if heroes change w/ them" But he's not wrong. And...this movie is being written for and pitched to Gen Z -- those folks under 25 years old who weren't even born during McFarlane's run, not 45 year-old old-school collectors who stopped reading Spider-Man back when Mark Bagley was on the book.