G.A.tor

that's real nice Trey!!!!! I never realized how nice this particular copy is

Whoa - good catch. Rare, classic book. Congrats. I only half heartedly bid on this one (I emailed seller to count pages for me, he never responded)... went relatively cheap, I thought, so good pick up if all there...

let's get it scheduled before it heats up out here

Is that an eel in Georgie's pocket or is he happy to see Judy

and if you are going to have a sales thread are you going to sell me a Catman #28? And what's the coupon code for %50 off? Gators national basketball champs 2014!

and if you are going to have a sales thread are you going to sell me a Catman #28? Right now I only have my personal copy.

Yes I will have one annual sales thread. Time tbd

Hmmm ... now aren't you supposed to answer questions that you were asked on this thread? I'm thinking, does this count as thread crapping in your own thread? And should you be kicked off this thread for it? And then ... oh, this is silly. Congrats to the Gators, both the comic selling and basket-ball bouncing kind. (thumbs u

Q- who is the only SEC team to go 18-0 in conference play in a season... A-

don't clarify, or it loses something

Possibly. But there have been many many Indy comics continuously published over that time frame that are not near as "popular" as tmnt Yes #1 has low initial print run and I suspect that low supply will continue to create demand/price as long as the turtles are relevant. And it's great there are some passionate fans here on the boards. But as far as macro comic demand (in general) , tmnt are near the bottom of the monthly sales charts for a reason (thumbs u

and yet iron man has consistenly had a comic produced monthly (even in 2006/7 it was near top 50), where as TMNT couldn't even muster the sales to maintain a monthly comic during most of the 2000's, right (does anyone really count that 23 issue image disaster? ) Alan Scott doesn't have a book at all, not for a long time, so All-American Comics #16 musta tanked big time. It's down a bit but hasn't tanked. Thank goodness even green lantern could manage keeping a book or two going all these years.

and yet iron man has consistenly had a comic produced monthly (even in 2006/7 it was near top 50), where as TMNT couldn't even muster the sales to maintain a monthly comic during most of the 2000's, right (does anyone really count that 23 issue image disaster? )

given that subby got 10 issues in 1954-55 after they both (and capt America) appeared in Young men, I would say subby (thumbs u As I understand it the reason Subby got some extra juice had nothing to do with sales numbers, but rather interest in a TV series that didn't materialize. Goodman didn't want to cancel the book while there was ongoing negotiations for a network TV series. It would be interesting to learn whether or not a pilot was produced and if so, what happened to it. guess the human torch TV interest wasn't there

Virginia put it to Syracuse sat, but I don't see them as final 4 material... that said, if the gators and the "hoos" meet up, a wager would be in order! in the SEC, Ole miss always scares me with Henderson.... we play USC e on Tuesday in their building and they just beat UK...so that is the game that scares me now...

Simple $10.95 and a GPA subscription will show you most of the CGC grades especially below CGC 8.0 has absolutely been going up the past 10 years. I am not sure why you don't understand that TMNT #1 is mega book for what ever reason that is. Not many people wouldn't agree that AF 15 is of course the better long-term book to have, but anyone holding onto a TMNT #1 is going to have more money than what they invested into the book years from now. Ten years from now, yes TMNT #1 will be selling at higher levels, especially 9.6 and below. Hulk #181 is a perfect example of what I am referring to which is stable growth in all grades except 9.8. There is a heck of a lot more TMNT fans out there than 3k so unless my math is off then demand out weighs supply I would think. the beautiful thing about opinions is that they don't always have to be right. That said, I believe there is a real possibility that 5-10 years from now folks "holding" a tmnt could be facing lower prices than today. Where as I believe folks holding an af15 will likely see price growth. I believe this to the point that I don't actively buy and sell tmnt 1 but feel I am missing the boat if I don't have a dozen af15s in stock at all times. Just my Rick for sure I think most people agree having the 3rd most important comic book of all time is better than having the same number of TMNT #1's. I would never disagree with that ever. Every age since the GA/SA has had a decreased amount of ground breaking important keys. The BA has it's fair share of junk and then of course 1980 to now the pickings are slim on keys, but just because they did not originate from the GA/SA/BA doesn't mean they are not as important. Issues such as ASM 300, DD 168, or NM 98 may not sell monetarily as much but are still consistent blue chip copper keys none the less that have an upward trend in this hobby. Now if you consider TMNT #1 to be a bubble book or have a downward trend that is fine, but I just don't see that happening on 9.4's and below. 9.8 for sure is volatile, but even in 9.6 I just see the up arrow over the long-run. No evidence to make me feel otherwise. TMNT #1 has a big fan base and there are not enough 1st prints to go around IMO anyway. As I told Greg via pm I don't follow the post 1975 market. I am not a fan of tmnt. Never have been, never will... Not my thing My opinion is that I won't buy a tmnt at 8k expecting to make a profit. Not saying one can't and one doesn't, but I don't believe in it enough to "risk" my money I will buy an af15 for an amount I feel is FMv or less, knowing that in over 25 years of buying and selling them, I have never lost money on a copy. I can't confidently say that about tmnt 1 and therefore I feel it is a great book if you are a fan, but a bad "investment" book. But that's just my opinion (thumbs u

given that subby got 10 issues in 1954-55 after they both (and capt America) appeared in Young men, I would say subby (thumbs u

yes, why not (thumbs u

Most recent sale is the most unreliable way to judge value of two comics. If this trade had happened October 13th of last year the numbers would have been: Most recent sale of CGC 4.0 AF 15 was $11,500. Most recent sale of CGC 9.6 TMNT 1 was $6,600. Which is no better comparison of the relative values than your example today is. Much better to use 90 day and 1 year averages. Using them the TNMT is about a thousand less. That said if everyone is happy with the trade I see no problem with it. They are at least in the same ballpark of each other. Agreed, however it has been suggested that I left $2k to $3k on the table in the past week. October 2013 isn't last week. Let's review: 1) I'm not a dealer. As a collector, I need to either find my own buyer for a most-recently-sold-for-$9K book, or use consignment/auction. I lose 10% when I sell through consignment or auction... so my $9,000 book is $8,100 net. 2) The book I wanted was consistently selling around $8,100. Using the reality of my situation, it was $8,100 and $8,100. The $9,000 book that I owned just sold at the same grade for $7,887. If it had been my book, after commissions, I would have netted around $7,000. I can't buy an $8,100 book with $7,000 cash. A dealer may have been able to do better, but I don't see where I left that $2k to $3k. You could have potentially sold me the af15 for 10k (I've bough 2 copies from boardies at this price) and then bought a tmnt for 8k ish (I don't know what SOT was asking, but I "assume" it was around that price) there are several boardies that advertise they buy af15's... my point was that your cost basis is not a true indicator on how good the deal was....your replacement cost is... I've sold 2 cgc 4.0 for 11K this year...yes, there was a heritage copy that sold last night for under 8K, but did you see it (there is a reason not all books of the same grade sell for the same price)? and of course, that sale was not in gpa (I assume it is in gpa) when you did the deal...but several 10k-11K+ sales likely were (to clarify, I don't have gpa, but I follow the af15 market daily , and know what copy sells for what)... you don't have to be a dealer to sell for FMV, these boards are a perfect example... though if an auction house was your only outlet, and you were not aware of the current FMV on a 4.0 (remember, gpa reports just a small piece of the sales pie), then your logic makes sense that said, if you are happy with the purchase, cool, but since you solicited opinion, I gave mine (thumbs u

I'm at the same percentage sales-wise. How are your Superman sales compared to Spider-Man? Main title, not when they tie him to Batman. My Superman sales are 1/4 Superior Spider-Man. Doesn't mean Action #1 isn't far more valuable than AF #15. Point being, popularity alone doesn't dictate price/demand. 200:111 for superman 200:97 for action However, we all know current market for moderns doesn't affect golden or silver age mega keys. I do believe the market for a current "key" is affected by current demand. Tmnt obviously has value. Sot quoted an 8k sale. I simply said that the trader of the af15 left 2-3k on the table with this trade, regardless of reason. So my point is af15 is now and will likely always be in more demand (relative to supply) than tmnt. I also feel that there is a real possibility that tmnt will decrease in price at a greater % than af15 could (and cyclically does). But if you love tmnt, to crazy and buy one! It's not always about the money!

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Out of curiosity, what makes 1975 special? Not that it is anything to particularly special but it is a date most folks use as the cut off for when comics stopped be "just for kids" and when folks started to collect and even hoard them. It is also when the cover price jumped a bit. On avg most all comics from 1975 on have little to no value. They exist in quantities that exceed current demand and thus keep prices down. I don't have to work because of post-1975 books. Yes most books from 1975 to now do not compare to years prior, but the fact of the matter is while Copper/Modern comic key issues supplies are high so too is the supply of buyers for them. If you saved a case of Man of Steel 18 or TT #44 your profit margin would be pretty good on just a couple years ago finding them in dollar bins and now selling for for $200--400 each in 9.8. no argument there. There are likely hundreds of books like that , but it is still only a fraction of a % and it is still, IMO, foolish to pay $200 for a $1 bin book. But the market says differently so that is a part of the market I don't participate in as I believe it is a house of cards

Simple $10.95 and a GPA subscription will show you most of the CGC grades especially below CGC 8.0 has absolutely been going up the past 10 years. I am not sure why you don't understand that TMNT #1 is mega book for what ever reason that is. Not many people wouldn't agree that AF 15 is of course the better long-term book to have, but anyone holding onto a TMNT #1 is going to have more money than what they invested into the book years from now. Ten years from now, yes TMNT #1 will be selling at higher levels, especially 9.6 and below. Hulk #181 is a perfect example of what I am referring to which is stable growth in all grades except 9.8. There is a heck of a lot more TMNT fans out there than 3k so unless my math is off then demand out weighs supply I would think. the beautiful thing about opinions is that they don't always have to be right. That said, I believe there is a real possibility that 5-10 years from now folks "holding" a tmnt could be facing lower prices than today. Where as I believe folks holding an af15 will likely see price growth. I believe this to the point that I don't actively buy and sell tmnt 1 but feel I am missing the boat if I don't have a dozen af15s in stock at all times. Just my

Just for fun, I checked our store sales. For every 200 spiderman I sell, I only sell 14 tmnt

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Nothing is "safe" when it comes to comics. Such a small segment want them, and I wouldn't think that segment is growing. However, your statement reflects a belief that old is a huge factor in value. And yes, it is a factor. But it's not nearly as important as supply and demand. We know the supply of TMNT #1 is far, far less than any Spidey book, AF #15 included. The demand may not be the same NOW, however, TMNT have been around for 30 years now, constantly in the public eye, in one fashion or another. All those 8-to-whatever year olds that grew up with them are now at prime income age, and just like you(assuming), me and other older guys, nostalgia will drive them to what they loved when they were young. Heck, my 7 yr old and all his classmates love them. I think TMNT #1 IS the AF #15 for the next generation. IMHO, of course. The flaw, as I see it, is that while the turtles have been around for 30 years, spider-man has been around for those same 30 years (and 20 more) and is infinitely more popular and in demand and with far greater exposure and support. To state tmnt #1 is going to be the equivalent to amazing fantasy 15 is, in my opinion, a flawed reach. Today's income earning, former 7 and 8 year old products of the 80s overwhelming will continue to love and subsequently choose spider-man. Tmnt just doesn't translate as well, nor does it hold up when one compares the two. I see as many TMNT toys, backpacks, video games etc, in Toys 'R Us as Spidey. Maybe more. TMNT has just as much TV presence. Movies? Spidey wins, hands-down. But there is a TMNT movie coming(someone said maybe a trilogy?), so that race isn't over yet. Look, Spidey is bigger, no arguing that. But, as you pointed out, Spidey had a 20 year head start. What was AF #15 selling for in 1992? I'm sure the same thing was said about Spidey compared to Batman and Superman. Point is, and the future is unknown, is that the POTENTIAL is there. And we're seeing prices for #1 that state that many others believe as well. What you see and what is produced and sold are night and day according to the statistics. Tmnt does about 30 million a year avg (they have broken 1 billion in sales since inception) while Spiderman is over 1 billion annually and will do close to 2 billion this year alone. By my math spiderman merchandise is about 20x more annually than tmnt Does that money count movies, DVDs, etc? http://kastorskorner.com/wp/2013/12/30/10-toy-lines-2013/ Only licensed merchandise (toys, shirts, pjs etc). Does not include movie or tv or media (like DVD) That link is for the best produced toy line, as determined by someone ive never heard of That's not best selling toy line. Again, it is fine you like the turtles, but I think It biases your opinion (as it should) Spiderman titles total over 200k monthly comic sales. Tmnt about 25k. My only point is that today (and likely tomorrow) spiderman sells 10-20 times what tmnt does and I'm not sure what is going to change that. Hence I don't believe tmnt to be a bad choice, just not a good investment (comic wise)