G.A.tor

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Nothing is "safe" when it comes to comics. Such a small segment want them, and I wouldn't think that segment is growing. However, your statement reflects a belief that old is a huge factor in value. And yes, it is a factor. But it's not nearly as important as supply and demand. We know the supply of TMNT #1 is far, far less than any Spidey book, AF #15 included. The demand may not be the same NOW, however, TMNT have been around for 30 years now, constantly in the public eye, in one fashion or another. All those 8-to-whatever year olds that grew up with them are now at prime income age, and just like you(assuming), me and other older guys, nostalgia will drive them to what they loved when they were young. Heck, my 7 yr old and all his classmates love them. I think TMNT #1 IS the AF #15 for the next generation. IMHO, of course. The flaw, as I see it, is that while the turtles have been around for 30 years, spider-man has been around for those same 30 years (and 20 more) and is infinitely more popular and in demand and with far greater exposure and support. To state tmnt #1 is going to be the equivalent to amazing fantasy 15 is, in my opinion, a flawed reach. Today's income earning, former 7 and 8 year old products of the 80s overwhelming will continue to love and subsequently choose spider-man. Tmnt just doesn't translate as well, nor does it hold up when one compares the two. I see as many TMNT toys, backpacks, video games etc, in Toys 'R Us as Spidey. Maybe more. TMNT has just as much TV presence. Movies? Spidey wins, hands-down. But there is a TMNT movie coming(someone said maybe a trilogy?), so that race isn't over yet. Look, Spidey is bigger, no arguing that. But, as you pointed out, Spidey had a 20 year head start. What was AF #15 selling for in 1992? I'm sure the same thing was said about Spidey compared to Batman and Superman. Point is, and the future is unknown, is that the POTENTIAL is there. And we're seeing prices for #1 that state that many others believe as well. What you see and what is produced and sold are night and day according to the statistics. Tmnt does about 30 million a year avg (they have broken 1 billion in sales since inception) while Spiderman is over 1 billion annually and will do close to 2 billion this year alone. By my math spiderman merchandise is about 20x more annually than tmnt

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Out of curiosity, what makes 1975 special? Not that it is anything to particularly special but it is a date most folks use as the cut off for when comics stopped be "just for kids" and when folks started to collect and even hoard them. It is also when the cover price jumped a bit. On avg most all comics from 1975 on have little to no value. They exist in quantities that exceed current demand and thus keep prices down. Which makes TMNT the exception, and increase demand for it to the generation that grew up with them. could be the exception no doubt. I personally put no faith in it (maybe b.c. I don't care about the turtles)

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Nothing is "safe" when it comes to comics. Such a small segment want them, and I wouldn't think that segment is growing. However, your statement reflects a belief that old is a huge factor in value. And yes, it is a factor. But it's not nearly as important as supply and demand. We know the supply of TMNT #1 is far, far less than any Spidey book, AF #15 included. The demand may not be the same NOW, however, TMNT have been around for 30 years now, constantly in the public eye, in one fashion or another. All those 8-to-whatever year olds that grew up with them are now at prime income age, and just like you(assuming), me and other older guys, nostalgia will drive them to what they loved when they were young. Heck, my 7 yr old and all his classmates love them. I think TMNT #1 IS the AF #15 for the next generation. IMHO, of course. The flaw, as I see it, is that while the turtles have been around for 30 years, spider-man has been around for those same 30 years (and 20 more) and is infinitely more popular and in demand and with far greater exposure and support. To state tmnt #1 is going to be the equivalent to amazing fantasy 15 is, in my opinion, a flawed reach. Today's income earning, former 7 and 8 year old products of the 80s overwhelming will continue to love and subsequently choose spider-man. Tmnt just doesn't translate as well, nor does it hold up when one compares the two. Reasonable extrapolation. Spider-Man is macro while tmnt is still micro. There is really nothing on any level that would make tmnt the "af15" of any generation (IMO)

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Nothing is "safe" when it comes to comics. Such a small segment want them, and I wouldn't think that segment is growing. However, your statement reflects a belief that old is a huge factor in value. And yes, it is a factor. But it's not nearly as important as supply and demand. We know the supply of TMNT #1 is far, far less than any Spidey book, AF #15 included. The demand may not be the same NOW, however, TMNT have been around for 30 years now, constantly in the public eye, in one fashion or another. All those 8-to-whatever year olds that grew up with them are now at prime income age, and just like you(assuming), me and other older guys, nostalgia will drive them to what they loved when they were young. Heck, my 7 yr old and all his classmates love them. I think TMNT #1 IS the AF #15 for the next generation. IMHO, of course. My comment has nothing to do with "old" but an arbitrary point (1975) in which I believe the supply of 99.9% of all produced comics to exceed demand and thus equating to little or no potential price growth. Sure, there were only 3000 first prints of tmnt1 produced but there were many other printings produced and based on current sales numbers , my guess is supply exists in a quantity that largely meets demand (based on the numbers of folks still collecting tmnt). Spider-Man on he other hand is so universally accepted and loved and in demand that af15 will, for the foreseeable future continue to way outpace tmnt.

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels) Out of curiosity, what makes 1975 special? Not that it is anything to particularly special but it is a date most folks use as the cut off for when comics stopped be "just for kids" and when folks started to collect and even hoard them. It is also when the cover price jumped a bit. On avg most all comics from 1975 on have little to no value. They exist in quantities that exceed current demand and thus keep prices down.

Af15 is relatively safe. Tmnt is anything but safe. In fact I would call it risky at near 5 fig levels (but then I would call any post 1975 book "risky" at those levels)

I don't follow the copper market but if the tmnt is an 8k book and a nice af15 in 4.0 is very much a 10k book (ive bought 2 this year for 10k, so i woukd argue it is really more like an 11k fmv book) then The person that got the af15 did 20-30% better. The af15 trader must not be concerned about the money (what they own it at is not relevant. What each woukd sell for today/Current FMv/ replacement cost is what matters to most)

I've sold 3 copies in 7.5. 57500, 60,000, 65,000

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Don't think so. Pretty sure the owner still owns. I sent him email to inquire (be doesn't live in cal)

Yours Ben? That's a beautiful recreation! isn't that a marvel variant cover ?

fun books

That's not even close to realistic. That's 6.5 money. more like 4.0 money now. Indeed. A 6.5 would push 15-18k not much chance my 6.0 would go anywhere for anything much less than 15k. not that it's for sale, but just insofar as my mental image of it's value is concerned. (Thumbs u

Higher prices bring out copies.

That's not even close to realistic. That's 6.5 money. more like 4.0 money now. Indeed. A 6.5 would push 15-18k

of course. He's currently not sure how many coke zeros he's already drank in the big easy Coke Zero - isnt it filled with artificial sweetener ... ? aspartame and acesulfame potassium

of course. He's currently not sure how many coke zeros he's already drank in the big easy Surprisingly I've had 5 of the 12 cans (12oz) we brought and one bottle (20oz) courtesy of branget

I don't know

I've eaten jumbaliya (thumbs u

PS - Here's a scan of the back cover. The image/stain is more apparent in hand, but you can still make it out. A transfer stain has generally resulted in a 1-2 pt deduction from cgc (depending on severity) Not as bad as moisture but a "defect" nonetheless

There are many tell tell signs. Back cover has black cut out lines Space between header and top of cover White space between 10c price point Number of staples Size and paper type Etc

I'm confused with this being a "recent" graded book, "per Sparkle", has not, or did not CGC drop the whole "re attached" label, when grading, ?? Last year? They still note it on the label there's just no grade bump for being attached

Those books are just krazy

Why u got to be so bitter!?