jpolz

So if someone posts the little guy and then pulls out of the deal via PM, you wouldn't believe it as it was done privately? You want to see public flakes for it to be list-worthy?

I don't know what "posts the little guy" means. Do you mean if someone posts publicly that they want to buy, and then pulls out via PM?

Being that there was a paypal payment made we have evidence of a transaction that was agreed to.

 

No we don't - because we don't have evidence of that. Because it was done privately.

 

 

All payments are done "Privately".

I realize that. You, however pointed to it as "proof" a transaction occurred. My point is that something that happens only in private between two people isn't proof to anyone else.

Being that there was a paypal payment made we have evidence of a transaction that was agreed to.

No we don't - because we don't have evidence of that. Because it was done privately.

Branget made an error in informing the buyer of availability and moved to correct that error. To his credit, Branget gave the buyer an option to rescind the contract for sale at that time, given the new information.

 

When the buyer, given all the necessary and new information on the 6th decided to continue the agreement he, in effect, created a new agreement for sale, one that he freely agreed to.

 

The time for rescission was at the time Branget offered it as an option. Once the buyer freely decided to continue with the transaction at that point both parties were bound to perform. Branget relied on the payment and on the buyer's word that he would perform as promised.

All this is probably true, but we don't know any of it. We believe it because we believe branget. We don't know it because it was done privately.

Finally, I think you are mistaken about the purpose of the probation list. It is for ALL BOARD transaction, not for public board transaction, or sale thread transactions. It is for all transactions initiated on this board and through this board. A transaction created out of a WTB Thread has just as much a proper place on the probation list as a sales thread issue.

My concern isn't that the transaction came from a WTB thread -- it didn't. The buyer has in fact only posted in 2 threads ever, 1 WTB thread and branget didn't post in it. My concern is that the transaction occurred entirely via Private Message.

That's my issue here is there's no public indication at all between the "buyer" and the "seller" of this transaction. Now the buyer's on the probation list over a sale we all believe happened.

I'm saying this is messy, and if people want community support and assistance (i.e. bad sellers/buyers going on the probation list) then there ought to be some community indication of the sale in the first place.

That was sarcasm donna

Just the Prob. list being used for non-public sales seems a bit off to me so I needed to work it through.

 

So you're saying it's OK to rip people off through PM?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

OK Snake Eyes I see what you're saying. No point in letting the whole community get burned. But, branget does admit to a pretty serious mistake in not identifying this as a pre-sale up front. Buyer may be a flake, but the thing about terms changing isn't 100% untrue.

Sorry branget if I seem tough on you about this. Just the Prob. list being used for non-public sales seems a bit off to me so I needed to work it through.

I recently had a newbie that posted in the WTB thread contact me. We worked out a deal. He paid on the 6th and demanded a refund (including filing a paypal case) on the 10th. This was a presale of items arriving back from CGC. Is this an appropraite transaction to recommend he be put on the probation list?

Can the mods read PMs to confirm sales agreements through PMs? I don't want to question anyone's honesty, but we are talking about putting someone on the probation list without any public evidence that an agreement of a sale even existed. Branget's been around a long time, but this does introduce the possiblity for the probation list to be abused.

The only part I feel I could have improved is making the Presale known sooner in the transaction.

Did you let him know this was a Presale before he sent the funds, or after?

I appreciate being paid via Paypal personal, but it is not a sales requirement. I really don't understand why it's such bid deal. I'm certainly not blood over it.

It's only a big deal if you insist on the personal payment method. If you don't, it isn't.

Some people say that there's no paypal buyer protections for non-ebay purchases. That's not true. The buyer complaint process applies to non-ebay purchases. Except that "You may not file a dispute for a Personal Payment."

Even if you use a credit card to fund the purchase, the buyer isn't necessarily protected by credit card protections since they indicated that they weren't buying a "good or service". Sure they really did, but according to the official payment slip (in this case the online form) they indicated "this is not a physical good or a service" and therefore not technically protected by credit card chargeback either. How that works out in reality depends on the credit card company.

It's also lying, and frankly some people have a problem with that. And given that PayPal sales are reported to the IRS, it's a kind of tax lying. Or it uncomfortably feels that way.

John

Kudos to:

Norinn Radd for the great SS Batman Mad Love

Dale Roberts for the many awesome Aspen books

zuckuss2003 for his VCC sales

ffcomics for his VCC sales

dudeman5000 for the All Star Squadron & Teen Titans slabs (ha - I tried to abbreviate those titles but it came out *spoon* and TT !)

I'd only just found out this cover existed, and was looking for a raw unsigned copy, when this one hit the 'bay:

Wow it's been a long time since I posted anything in this thread. Here's a few:

McFarlane:

Jim Lee, Jeph Loeb & Scott Williams:

Bruce Timm (courtesy of Norinn Radd):

Kudos to:

c-mack - For a CGC X-Men 129 -- a book I've been wanting for a while.

Bruno_s4 - For a very nice CGC FF 26

jonjesper - For my 1st 9.9 - the Doug Mahnke Good/Ugly sketchbook

Fastballspecial - Various raw books

GACollectibles - X-Men / Teen Titans #1 SS

mschmidt - Lot of Cadillacs and Dinosaurs

Thanks!

Not SS, but a good one for the season ...

OK I'll bite. I've got at least 2 I can think of:

Fantastic Four #554 9.8 signed by Marc Silvestri:

Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash #1 "widescreen" cover signed & sketched by Jason Craig (artist) and signed by Thomas Mason (colorist):

Kudos to AlexH who sold me my first Byrne SS book: X-Men 131 and also 3 Tenth books signed by Tony Daniels - Thanks for the awesome books & fast, safe shipping!

Kudos also to kagemusha7s on a stunning GI Combat SS Russ Heath (felt kinda bad handing that over to the friend I bought it for) and to JohnT for a raw Reptilicus #2.

Kudos to jpolz for a superfast payment on a Batman #227 SS 7.0. Glad you like the book dude, beauty ain't it?!

 

Thanks for a great transaction John

It really is a beaut - what a book for my first Neal Adams sig! Kudos right back at you Boozad for quick shipping & great packing on a great book (thumbs u

While I'm at it I've fallen badly behind on my kudos and I need to thank the following people:

joeypost

gregreece

comicnut

shortstack

pennynike1

Some of those books were slabs, some were raws, all were shipped quickly & well packed. Thanks all!

Just arrived today.

Nice celeb sigs! (thumbs u

[font:Georgia]those are some nice looking sigs on those books![/font]

I know it isn't the rarest book, but the sig is really nice & clear:

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Kudos to juggernaut on some great raw books. It's been years since I picked up a copy of Ninja HS and those first 3 issues are tops. Thanks!

Also to GreatEscape who set me up with my 1st GA CGC:

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I've got a few SS books but good ones are tough to find -- is this where they all get snatched up? Anyway, here's my favorite:

Sorry about the pic being cropped at the bottom. Nothing wrong with it but hey, I'm not selling it, just showing it off.

[font:Georgia]Kudos to BigMike for a really nice carefully packed slabbed book, and to slym2none on some very very well packed raw ones![/font]

Kudos to PokerKid, jonjesper, and rube11. Great books, well packed & shipped quickly, all around. Thanks guys!

Thanks to ArAich and spiderman-on-tilt for great transactions - super safe packing jobs & great books!