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A great looking 7.0. The address stamp was more of the factor on the back of the book, which is kind of cool due to the provenance. I don't mind the date stamp, but can't satisfy all the discerning collectors,
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25 minutes ago, Glassman10 said:
I don't disagree with you, it does sound high. So, what if there are some serious hoards out there which would really mess with the day to day pricing of the comic. When I've talked to dealers, they come to that 10K figure. I think when I sold mine, there were about 2800 in the census, that might be wrong.
I think the trouble with the census currently used is that it simply does not include a vast number of sales of this, or of any book. It strikes me that keeping sales, outliers or whatever out of the census really doesn't support a structure to really reliably gauge value in the book. Granted, it's popular. Also I continue to assert that it's not rare, just desired. If people are really going to continue to put out the kind of cash for a copy, I think at some point realistic supply and demand has to kick in. The reality is that supply is a squishy subject and that should make demand squishy too if you are dealing in the kinds of numbers that it takes to buy one from an auction.
I continue to stick with buy it if it makes you happy and you can afford to do that. I tend to think that for now, the price has hit something of a ceiling except in very high grades. The 5.0 dropped after mine sold. Again, I no longer own it. It is not the rocket it was 18-24 months ago. I've gone back to Dr Strange, always a very odd comic in my mind. I love the spell balloons. Clea was hot.
You have to consider copies graded by the other companies. Also, copies that were crack and re-subbed without the old labels not being returned to CGC; hence, will miscalculate the total. You did timed it well when you sold your 5.0 and your copy presented better than most 5.0s. Longer term within the next 3-5 years the book will rebound. Folks who bought during the 2008 spike, had to wait 3-5 years for the price to rebound and eventually eclipsing the old high. True, buy what you enjoy and if it appreciate 5-8 % average a year, that will be a bonus. AF15 is the blue chip of the Silver Age and continues to perform well in the long run.
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17 hours ago, G.A.tor said:
It’s filter81/Danielle’s. Don’t think they are selling it
Since this copy has nice PQ, FMV 400k? To pry it loose maybe 450-475k?
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I agree, 85K is a bit soft for a 7.0. This 7.0 also had a chip on the back cover which didn't help the price either. Perhaps 7.0 copies FMV are in the 85K-110K range depending on eye appeal and page quality,
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With two 9.0 sale in the 400K range, it may perhaps give this 9.4 sale some credibility.
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15 hours ago, rob_react said:
Tell me about it.
Hey Rob, I found out this sale was at Pedigree Comics.
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1 hour ago, rob_react said:
Does anyone know anything about this GPA reported sale? The book is the same copy that sold at Heritage the year before for $454,000
I wish GPA can provide more info on this sale. If a 9.0 can sell almost 400k, a 9.4 at 700k+ is not out of the question. Perhaps Geoge from GPA can chime in.
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9 hours ago, Frank Mozz said:
I am not sure the AC#1 vs SM #1 Applies here as both ASM#1 IN 5.0 & AF15 1.5 are plentiful in either grade, ASM #1 is moving a bit right now but over the long haul & a year from now that may not be the case, it does run in cycles. I would still go with the AF#15. ASM #1 will always be the secondary book IMHO. AF15 has so much going for it Arguably the most iconic Marvel Character, a classic badass cover even your grandmother has seen plus all 3 legends are represented as Kirby, Ditko & Lee all got in on the action, it's his first Appearance, I mean it has everything you want from a major key. Let put it this way I never meet an AMAZING FANTASY I DIDN'T LIKE LOL
paul747 asked the question, just gave him my insight on the Superman 1 5.0 versus Action 1 1.0. Read above.
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4 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:
Yeah, he was called The Crimson Avenger, cover featured on Detective Comics #22, December 1938, approximately six months after Action #1 featured Superman. By then, the data would've been available. Obviously, that costumed hero failed to satisfy expectations of the publisher, so five issues later they tried another with a tad more success.
I'm not contesting your estimate, but without concrete data to bolster it the numbers are certainly open to speculation.
Fair enough.
Base on the date for Detective Comics #22, December 1938, that will be the same time as Action Comics 7. I would suspect the print run of Action Comics 7-12 be higher than Detective Comics #22-27, and the print run of Detective Comics #22-27 will be higher than Action Comics 1-6. So the estimate print run of 300-350K for Detective 27 is in reason plus or minus 50K.
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2 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:
Action #1 - June '38 cover date
Detective #27 - May '39 cover date
The estimate of 350,000 to 450,000 seems way too high based on the evidence.
This was divided up among at least four titles in the Detective Comics Group as mentioned in the article. A reasonable assumption would be under 200,000 copies of #27 even if Detective was the best seller of that group. A more practical method of figuring out approximately how many copies of Detective Comics #27 were published would be to establish how many titles under the Detective Comics Group umbrella were published around the time Detective Comics #27 came out. Then research publishing data (net number of books sold) for the Detective Comics Group for one pay cycle from May or May/June '39 ...dependent upon D.C.'s accounting system... and divide the total books published in that period by the number of titles under the DCG umbrella to get a rough estimate of newsstand copies for any given title.
Simple, huh?
Keep in mind that there was no assurance at the time of publication that The Bat-Man would be a hit (the actual numbers printed should reflect that). D.C. already tried out a masked, caped hero in 'Tec with the ominous name The Crimson Avenger. While it's pretty clear that the earlier pulpy character was heavily based on successful .45 wielding pulp heroes like The Shadow and The Spider, TCA never caught on. BTW, it's worth noting that the sole Crimson Avenger cover (Detective Comics #22) apparently has redacted art to remove a second .45 automatic from the hero's right hand. I suspect this was an editorial decision to reduce obvious comparisons with The Shadow or to lower the bloodthirsty look of the character.
I have provided a reasonable estimate for Detective Comics 27. We can place a plus or minus 50K print run in the range of my estimate on this book. DC (National Comics) didn’t have Superman on it’s Action Comics cover again until issue 7. His popularity gained transaction and his cover appearance starred more often. National Comics began to have Superman on the covers more frequently with Action Comics issue 10,13,15,17, and ultimately on all covers starting with 19. Starting with Action Comics 10, they already knew Superman sales was increasing the titles sales. It’s safe to say by the time Action 11/12 National Comics, decided to ultimately gamble on introducing Batman about a year after Action Comics 1. With the Data they had, printing another 50-100k was not a big gamble for introducing another Superheroes with a cape. Even 50-100k is not substantial bigger print run than Action 1. Compared to the print runs of Marvel Comics 1, Superman 1, or Captain America; Action Comics 1 and Detective Comics 27 is no competition.
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19 hours ago, paul747 said:
whats the answer?
It would be Superman 1 5.0 over Action 1 1.0 in terms of value. Due to the scarcity of Superman 1 in higher grade 5.0 unrestored condition, for many has been restored.
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Action Comics 1 on the newsstand cover dated May 1938 with approximate print run of 250,000.
Detective Comics 27 on the newsstand cover dated May 1938, a good estimate would be around 350,000-450,000.
I suspect with Superman gaining popularity, they would print a bit more Detective Comics 27 introducing Bat-Man. Action Comics 12
was on the newsstand same time as Detective Comics 27 and both books pre-date Superman 1 by a few months.
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6 hours ago, Timely said:
I got the bottle of wine only one year (but I think it was probably a mistake!)
I got a bottle one year. At least one other year I had a steak lunch, but I refuse the wine.
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2 hours ago, VintageComics said:
Yup.
The owner of the collection got in touch with me to help him market the books.
It's an original owner collection that he literally bought from two little old ladies.
There is a stolen ASM #1 from the collection (it was stolen before the new owners got to it) that is still floating out there somewhere.
Pretty amazing collection of books. The books were fresh looking and for the most part had amazing paper quality. The less expensive books are still being certified.
It must have been an honor for you to curate this collection. Especially to handle them raw , view the fresh page quality, smell of vintage material, and adore the higher grade traits of these books. From the books and depth of this collection, would you rate this a bit better than the Mound City collection?
In this current stage of CGC tight grading, I sense this collection is better in page quality and should have a consideration of a Pedigree status. I hope they find the ASM 1 and bring the perpetrator to justice. Please keep us updated and continue to enjoy curating the collection.
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Roy posted this list in the general threads about this amazing collection he has been a part of. An impressive find indeed. Here's the list of the books so far he posted and maybe he can chime in.
Amazing Fantasy #15 8.0 OWW
Batman #121 CGC 6.5 OWW
Brave And The Bold #10 CGC 9.4 OWW
Brave And The Bold #28 CGC 8.5 OW
Fantastic Four #1 CGC 8.5 OWW
Fantastic Four #4 CGC 9.0 White
Fantastic Four #13 CGC 9.2 White
Flash #123 CGC 9.2 OWW
Green Lantern #1 CGC 9.2 White
Incredible Hulk #1 CGC 8.0 White
Journey Into Mystery #83 CGC 7.5 White
Journey Into Mystery #84 CGC 9.0 White
Justice League of America #1 CGC 8.5 OWW
Showcase #24 CGC 9.0 OWW
Strange Tales #89 CGC 8.5 OWW
Tales of Suspense #40 CGC 8.5 White
Tales To Astonish #7 CGC 9.4 OWW
Wonder Woman #98 7.5 Lt/OW
Wonder Woman #105 CGC 7.5 OWW
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41 minutes ago, lou_fine said:
Why, was the $218K figure for the earlier sale deemed to be a lower than normal price for a CGC 8.0 graded copy of AF 15?
I noticed that these auction houses seems to have no problems "boasting" about previous sales when they are deemed to be on the high side, as evident from this listing for Blue Beetle 52 that finished last night at $3,900:
The AF15 8.0 SS sold on ComicConnect for 222K in late summer, so the 8.0 (pre-marvel chip) copy did quite well at 210K. Books like Blue Beetle 52 can be a hit or miss and quite volatile up or down depending on timing.
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7 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:
Guess everyone missed this sale ...
AF15 8.0@ 218K
ComicLink took down the listing ( makes sense so as not to influence second auction )
The sale on 2/11/18 is a Comiclink Exchange sale not auction format. It was a high price then for an 8.0 pre-marvel chipping copy.
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15 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:
wow ! I assume it is your 8.5
vast majority of SC22 have C/OW or OW
Yes, true. Here's the back image of two different SC22's (one is CRM/OW and the other is WP). That Menace Runaway Missile Splash image is from my SC22 7.5 White Pager.
. Also, this is the upload of the centerfold of my SC22 White Pager.
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16 hours ago, Hulksdaddy1 said:
Just picked up this beauty, to go along with its little brother
Nice new SC22 6.0 addition to your collection.
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On 8/31/2018 at 7:45 PM, peewee22 said:
Great candidate for a resub...as long as the PQ stays white.
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I wonder if the interior will look like this.
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On 8/31/2018 at 7:36 PM, VintageComics said:
That book looks like it belongs in a higher grade holder.
Sure looks nice for a 6.0 and of course White Pages. Sparkle sold this book for a paltry of $3527 in 2012.
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7 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:
SC4 already looks to be happening
Perhaps a mild pull back. The SC4 5.0 did okay for 26.8K at CC. Brave and the Bold 28 is like an Avengers 1 with no major single first appearance of a character, just a team. I believe Roy sold a SC4 6.5 at around 69K not long ago.
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25 minutes ago, NoMan said:
what's pre-chipped mean? I know MC of course, just getting a little confused over here.
peewee answered your question, but if you like to see that 8.0...check ebay.
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6 minutes ago, peewee22 said:
Chips forming, starting, or cracking on the edges...the beginning of the end.
Not all copies with pre-chipping will get worst as long as stored well. Obviously some books with pre-chipping may have more chances of pieces chipping off due to chips hanging on to it's dare life.
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SC22 has been strong lately. The 6.0 on Comicconect sold last month for $8477.