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Thanks. I corrected my post.

Could it be that submission 158987-XXX wasn't his submission. This could be the original signature submission by someone else (maybe that dealer with them all on the wall). He then obtained and submitted the 6.5 copy for the custom label and that didn't get regraded so wouldn't show a new submission/cert number and the grade date would remain the old 2018 date. Only the photo was updated on the original submission number. We don't know when that label was changed. CGC only added the 6.5 to the list because it went through his account for a new label.

My guess is that was a 9.8 prescreen submission and 007 and 006 didn't make the cut.

Said YouTuber is live right now if you want to talk to him directly.....

Main takeaways: The guy Mike D. bought FF2 direct from the scammer and was offered a long list of other books. One of which is the ASM 13 on CGC's list. However, all the other books aren't on CGC's list. Other talking point was that the scammer was associated to some extent with a shop in NYC. Just more evidence that the 350 books is not even close to the real number. I mean we already knew that from all the missing cert numbers that were in submissions with the other 350 books. But just some more evidence.

I haven't watched it all. They talk about a shop possibly involved in NYC. They talk about a FF2 that a guy bought in person from our scammer which appears micro-trimmed and isn't on the CGC list. Lots of talking around the subject without naming names. Edit: after watching a bit more one thing is that the guy who bought the FF2 (not on CGC list) was also offered a lot more books for sale via text...one of which is the ASM 13 that is on CGC list. But more importantly all the other books excepting the ASM 13 are NOT on the CGC list.

The plot thickens???

Maybe the AF15 is for his personal collection and he wanted a new label?? Maybe that AF15 is not a scam book? A little present to himself purchased with some of his scamming profits.

I thought they'd sticky this to the start of each page but for now it is lost as the last post on pg 167

Whomever picked Dec 28th wins!!

Got to be him with that list of books in that submission....scammers never quit and aren't phased by being outed at one location....they will just move on to the next. Given the grading dates these may all be legit books even if they are from him. Probably a stack of cracked out books going back for a new 9.8 cert number.

It ended up going for $9,608 so not too far off the fake sale. I think the seller did well considering the controversy right now.

CGC isn't regrading during the reholder so the unique certification # still shows up in CGC database with its original grading date (which is the date of a different book) even though it shows the new photos of the book with new label (often custom label). The "blue" grading date is actually the date the book that was swapped out of the blue case was graded and not the date of the reholder. This is why the timeline of the green label grading date and the frankensteined blue label grading date don't have to make sense in continuity.

The one ASM300 in 9.6 was probably a 9.8 he had cracked out to use the label and got the grade drop when he sent it back in raw to get a new 9.8. You win some, you lose some.

This was the book where the green label missing the MVS was swapped in. But I think you are the first to find the book that was swapped out. The July sale would be the legit Blue label 9.0 that we assume was bought by Comic Selects. The September sale is the fake blue which has the CGC 8.5 Green label missing the MVS in it.

Not sure where things are at now. Only thing I know is I'm not touching a higher grade blue label H181 unless I know the guy who slabbed it to begin with.

The reason I though he might have married the book in the H181 with the entire pg 10 missing is that the grading date of that book was the same as seven other books that look like they were his books as they were all the usual suspect books we've seen on his eBay page. In the reholder scam the grading date doesn't get updated and therefore I thought would be a submission from someone else that the scammer bought to either swap or marry. It wouldn't' make sense that he was the one who originally submitted the book with pg 10 missing and got the green label. Therefore it seemed like the blue label grading date was the actual date it got the blue label and the only way that happened was either an inside job to overlook the missing pg 10 OR he married in a pg 10 or an entire interior....I'm not sure how that all works.

I don't know if this was brought up but after watching Automatic Comic's video about the Hulk 181 with pg 10 missing, it is clear that in that example it wasn't a reholder scam like the others. When Ryan shows the other 7 books in his CGC submission for the blue label 181 the grading date matches the other 7 books in that submission. If this was a reholder the grading date on the reholder would have been an older date just like we saw in the ASM252, NM98 and Hulk181MVS examples. So this guy is also marrying books.

I'm not touching a blue label 181 with a 10 foot pole going forward. I wonder how many are out there without the MVS? BrysComics had a video 2 weeks ago where someone cracked a very old blue label 181 to do CPR and found the MVS missing. I don't think that one was this same scam as that label was super old.

Spine ticks match also. Like the ones above and below the "he's here" box

Of course. But I'm responding to someone telling us or YTubers to waste time looking up other numbers that will only reference a legit submission.

Here are the better quality photos from GoCollect for the green label one:

What we do know is probably half of this guy's CGC submissions are legit submission because for every book he swaps he ends up with a RAW copy that he can send in to have graded fresh. Hoping it comes back with the same grade as the case he took it out of.

But the cert numbers aren't changing. They are referencing the original cert number which is a legit book and was submitted with other legit books by an honest collector. There is no record of the re-holder other than the new photos. The grading date doesn't change, the cert # doesn't change. We don't even know the date of the re-holder.

Good luck with the sale. I'll be interested to see how much a fair auction of that book goes for.