Ferran Delgado

It's not enough to list Miller with breakdowns. It has to say clearly that Miller drew them in a sheet apart and that he didn't touch the artboard offered. Anything else is a misleading description done on purpose. I'm talking about auction houses and top art dealers. Particulars are another item, because maybe they don't know the info,

No, they didn't change it. Take this auction from a few months ago as a sample: http://comics.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7073&lotNo=92226 "...in this Miller/Janson extravaganza..."

I don't remember so. In fact, I wrote them to change the description. Maybe finally they did it.

Yes. I just wish that top art dealers and auction houses would describe it accurately in a future. An average fan or collector probably won't know this info, but art dealers and auction houses know. In spite of this, they choose to omit the info from their descriptions. I think that this should answer the question about if the fact that Miller didn't touch the art has impact on the price.

About the drug issue, this is a scan from Amazing Heroes #4:

This is the piece that started all! In June 2006, Bill Sienkiewicz attended at a convention in Barcelona, Spain. Mitch (his former rep) displayed many of his originals at a gallery of art, which were also for sale. There were many great pieces, but this one drew my attention among the others. http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=208905

Yes, I saw a few of them posted in CAF. In fact, Scott Dunbier owns three of them, but I'm aware about how difficult is to gather scans of a split book, it's almost an impossible task and very time consuming. http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=17117 About the Raegate, I try to get as far as possible from nonsense, because I already have enough of it in my real life... Waiting eagerly for more updates on catalogs!

Hey, Terry, posting all this wonderful art with prices so low with an Avatar like yours, it looks like you want to send a message... Keep them coming! It's amazing to check out how many jewels reached the market, and only a few of them are posted in CAF, showing that in spite the thousand of pieces posted in CAF, they are only a very small fraction of all the existing art. Wood's work for the Spirit strip is a truly masterwork in my eyes, it's the genius at the top of the game. I wish we could enjoy an Artist's Edition of these stories, they are real gems. Ok, I know, I'm insatiable, IDW already released a book focused in Wood, but seeing this piece makes me hungry for more... And while I'm at it, how about a book on Sky Masters? Oh, yeah, I know, art is scattered and it's impossible to gather scans of all the art, but, hey, dreaming is free!

This amazing illo express my feelings by seeing so many breathtaking pieces at such ridiculous prices... Thanks, Terry! Although I don't know if I want to keep looking at this thread, it's so painful...

Ouch, this hurts... Such beautiful art at these prices, damn, I entered into the hobby too late... The Frankenstein plate is breathtaking, at such ridiculous price! Depressing...

Where's a time machine when you need it? Thanks for posting, it's cool!

Paul, this is an awesome comission, congrats!! I fully agree with AKA Rick about NOT giving any money in advance in comissions or use a third party. At least this is working for me and this is the diference between being burned or wanting to ask for more. A delay of months is unacceptable in my eyes and takes away all the fun and it harms the whole hobby and many artists which depend on comissions to survive.

I always wondered who owns the painted covers of the Demon Bear arc by Sienkiewicz (New Mutants #18-20). It's not my intention to make a serious offer, I'm just curious. I'd love to see a nice image of them, just to drool and feel some nostalgia... No need to know the whereabouts of the NM#21 cover, it's in my collection... ;-) http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=287715&GSub=56437

The ultimate reference for newbies, the Comicart-L FAQ: http://web.archive.org/web/20030808202311/www.musial.org/comicart/faq/

Miller talks about the rejected drug story before it was published in DD #182-184 in Amazing Heroes #4 (September 1981): Uploaded with ImageShack.us

Thanks!

The main source to tell that Miller did layouts in a different sheet for #185-190 is the interview to Janson published in Back Issue #21 mag. But I don't know how the Craftint issue could affect the trust on Janson's memories. I'm trying to get confirmation that #191 had Miller pencils by asking Terry Austin through third parties. I also think that they are full pencils over the artboard. The source for the statement that Miller began to do layouts from #173 till #184 is also Back Issue #21. Philippe Cordier, the interviewer to Janson, says that till #172 Miler spotted blacks but he stopped doing so because his trust on Janson growed. He also commented that Miller still drawed directly on the board, and another reason to start doing layouts is that by #173 it was a couple of months after the book went to monthly schedule. Janson comments that he started using craftint in #177, in the cover and in the flashbacks of interior pages. Again the doubts if those interior pages are 100% Janson or not. According the cover and Miller's handwritten note, they should be Miller/Janson.

According to Mitch and Janson, no. But anyway the #190 cover looks too much Janson to me, so my guess is that he added his personal touch to it. I can't imagine Janson tracing every line by Miller with full precision, and afterwards, getting loose... If you're going to get loose, you don't waste your time tracing all the lines with exactitude...

Yes, but #172 was the last issue where Miller did full pencils. From #173 till 184 Miller did breakdowns directly on the art board, and from #185 to 190 Miller laid out in a small paper and didn't touch the artwork, which is 100% Janson. This is a sample from #190... http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VAXZFsTyKzc/TosembdLOsI/AAAAAAAAH6c/qaZPjjJ6UeI/s1600/MillerDD190splashComp.jpg And take a look at Miller's pencils, which look very different than if someone would trace them, who would choose the right lines among all the scribble. This is exactly my point...

I think that if you lightbox a drawing, strokes are quite different than if you draw it from zero. In fact, someone so skilled and with so much experience like Janson in fact could ink directly on the board with no need to use a pencil. We're talking about Janson, who was not famous for being very faithful to Miller's pencils. I'm sure that an artist from this thread could explain it in a better way what I'm trying to communicate in a cumpsy way. The few visibles strokes in DD 181 cover looks like the same loose strokes Miller used in the DD #167 cover, and I don't think that Janson would do something like this when lightboxing. ¿Why to trace outside of the borders...? Just speculating...

About the DD #190 cover, if you compare the mouth of the published cover vs a darkened image of the original art, you can find some pencil traces in teeth. Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I took a closer look at Mandel's DD #181 cover and in fact THERE ARE pencil traces, but only in margins. If you compare them to the layout of DD #167 finished by McLeod, you can see similar strokes.

Since I have a very large scan of the Bizarre Adventures page courtesy of its owner, J. Sid, I tried to find pencil traces, but it's almost impossible to see in areas with darkened chemicals. But in this panel you can see some traces in the couple of guys and in the bottom right corner. Proof enough? Uploaded with ImageShack.us

I'd love to take a look at a large scan of the DD #177 cover. This would be the definitive proof that craftint cover doesn't mean 100% Janson. DD #181 doesn't have pencil traces, judging from the scan of Mandel's gallery, so it's hard to tell there...

Mitch is right, this is the cover of the Elektra Saga #1: http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=417601&gsub=27878