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Ferran Delgado

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    Miller/Janson DD?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    The listing is still there. I posted the link earlier in this thread. It credits Miller with "breakdowns".

     

    It's not enough to list Miller with breakdowns. It has to say clearly that Miller drew them in a sheet apart and that he didn't touch the artboard offered. Anything else is a misleading description done on purpose.

     

    I'm talking about auction houses and top art dealers. Particulars are another item, because maybe they don't know the info,

    Miller/Janson DD?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    In any case, my original question was whether Frank Miller had done the 190 splash as the auction currently indicates. It seems like this is what happened: starting with issue #185 (or #179, but #185 for sure), Miller drew thumbnails. Janson then penciled and inked the finished page on a separate piece of paper. We can debate how to credit it or whether that means the page's value changes, but just for information's sake, it would be helpful to have that knowledge at hand.

     

    Does that summary sound about right?

     

    Yes. I just wish that top art dealers and auction houses would describe it accurately in a future.

     

    An average fan or collector probably won't know this info, but art dealers and auction houses know. In spite of this, they choose to omit the info from their descriptions. I think that this should answer the question about if the fact that Miller didn't touch the art has impact on the price.

    The Russ Cochran Comic Art Auctions - a 30 years Retrospective

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Yes, I saw a few of them posted in CAF. In fact, Scott Dunbier owns three of them, but I'm aware about how difficult is to gather scans of a split book, it's almost an impossible task and very time consuming.

    http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=17117

     

    About the Raegate, I try to get as far as possible from nonsense, because I already have enough of it in my real life...

     

    Waiting eagerly for more updates on catalogs!

    The Russ Cochran Comic Art Auctions - a 30 years Retrospective

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Hey, Terry, posting all this wonderful art with prices so low with an Avatar like yours, it looks like you want to send a message... ;)

     

    Keep them coming!

     

    It's amazing to check out how many jewels reached the market, and only a few of them are posted in CAF, showing that in spite the thousand of pieces posted in CAF, they are only a very small fraction of all the existing art.

     

    Wood's work for the Spirit strip is a truly masterwork in my eyes, it's the genius at the top of the game. I wish we could enjoy an Artist's Edition of these stories, they are real gems. Ok, I know, I'm insatiable, IDW already released a book focused in Wood, but seeing this piece makes me hungry for more... And while I'm at it, how about a book on Sky Masters? Oh, yeah, I know, art is scattered and it's impossible to gather scans of all the art, but, hey, dreaming is free!

     

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    Larry Stroman: Reputable?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Paul, this is an awesome comission, congrats!!

     

    I fully agree with AKA Rick about NOT giving any money in advance in comissions or use a third party.

     

    At least this is working for me and this is the diference between being burned or wanting to ask for more. A delay of months is unacceptable in my eyes and takes away all the fun and it harms the whole hobby and many artists which depend on comissions to survive.

    The Official "Does Anybody Know Where This Art Is?" Thread

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    I always wondered who owns the painted covers of the Demon Bear arc by Sienkiewicz (New Mutants #18-20).

     

    It's not my intention to make a serious offer, I'm just curious. I'd love to see a nice image of them, just to drool and feel some nostalgia...

     

    No need to know the whereabouts of the NM#21 cover, it's in my collection... ;-)

    http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=287715&GSub=56437

     

    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    The main source to tell that Miller did layouts in a different sheet for #185-190 is the interview to Janson published in Back Issue #21 mag. But I don't know how the Craftint issue could affect the trust on Janson's memories.

     

    I'm trying to get confirmation that #191 had Miller pencils by asking Terry Austin through third parties. I also think that they are full pencils over the artboard.

     

    The source for the statement that Miller began to do layouts from #173 till #184 is also Back Issue #21. Philippe Cordier, the interviewer to Janson, says that till #172 Miler spotted blacks but he stopped doing so because his trust on Janson growed. He also commented that Miller still drawed directly on the board, and another reason to start doing layouts is that by #173 it was a couple of months after the book went to monthly schedule.

     

    Janson comments that he started using craftint in #177, in the cover and in the flashbacks of interior pages.

     

    Again the doubts if those interior pages are 100% Janson or not. According the cover and Miller's handwritten note, they should be Miller/Janson.

    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    According to Mitch and Janson, no. But anyway the #190 cover looks too much Janson to me, so my guess is that he added his personal touch to it. I can't imagine Janson tracing every line by Miller with full precision, and afterwards, getting loose...

     

    If you're going to get loose, you don't waste your time tracing all the lines with exactitude...

    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Yes, but #172 was the last issue where Miller did full pencils. From #173 till 184 Miller did breakdowns directly on the art board, and from #185 to 190 Miller laid out in a small paper and didn't touch the artwork, which is 100% Janson.

     

    This is a sample from #190...

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VAXZFsTyKzc/TosembdLOsI/AAAAAAAAH6c/qaZPjjJ6UeI/s1600/MillerDD190splashComp.jpg

    And take a look at Miller's pencils, which look very different than if someone would trace them, who would choose the right lines among all the scribble.

     

    This is exactly my point...

    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted · Edited by Ferran Delgado

    I think that if you lightbox a drawing, strokes are quite different than if you draw it from zero. In fact, someone so skilled and with so much experience like Janson in fact could ink directly on the board with no need to use a pencil. We're talking about Janson, who was not famous for being very faithful to Miller's pencils.

     

    I'm sure that an artist from this thread could explain it in a better way what I'm trying to communicate in a cumpsy way.

     

    The few visibles strokes in DD 181 cover looks like the same loose strokes Miller used in the DD #167 cover, and I don't think that Janson would do something like this when lightboxing. ¿Why to trace outside of the borders...?

     

    Just speculating...

    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Since I have a very large scan of the Bizarre Adventures page courtesy of its owner, J. Sid, I tried to find pencil traces, but it's almost impossible to see in areas with darkened chemicals. But in this panel you can see some traces in the couple of guys and in the bottom right corner.

     

    Proof enough?

     

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    Daredevil #190 cover

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    I'd love to take a look at a large scan of the DD #177 cover. This would be the definitive proof that craftint cover doesn't mean 100% Janson. DD #181 doesn't have pencil traces, judging from the scan of Mandel's gallery, so it's hard to tell there...