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Cool JvR11! Thanks. Now we have 2 (Secret Love Stories & Variety Comics) books posted with their remaindered book variations. I hope others add, because the accumulated data is very interesting. Secret Loves Stories #nn 1949 Fox Giant Variations Variation 1 (JvR11): My Story #6 ....................(7/49) My Secret LIfe #22 .........(7/49) My LIfe #9 ......................(7/49) My Love Affair 1 .............(7/49) Variation 2 (GGA_Fan): My Love Story #2 ...........(11/49) My Love Memoirs #9 ......(11/49) My Past #7 ......................(8/49) My Love Life #7 ...............(8/49)

Alright, go for it Comicdey. De-Slab away. Let's see what you come up with. You weren't being sarcastic were you? This brings up another point about Fox Giants that I've always thought about. Once CGC slabs a Fox giant, it's contents are lost forever unless it gets cracked open, right? So here's my suggestion to CGC: Hence forth when slabbing a Fox Giant (or any other Comic with remaindered books), list the contents of the interior on the outer label, which should include the remaindered book's Title, Issue Number(and Publishing date if possible). All that info is freely available to them from GCD, unless an issue is not indexed. Then I dunno. Any suggestions? But if the data is known, then I feel it is CGC's obligation to list it on the label since a Collector would like to know what's inside his book.

There could still be a small premium based on the high demand for all these Fox Giants. But not to the same degree as, if any contained a remaindered Phantom Lady or All Top. I couldn't help but notice in Overstreet #39, that they bothered to list the contents of Variety Comics #nn 1950 as follows: Jungle Jo My Secret Affair Crimes By Women My Story Yet, they know very well that contents will vary. Why would they do that? And then why did they not list any issue numbers? The only thing that is a known constant would be the covers and interior of the covers? Strange. Variety #nn, Fox Giant 1950 (From Comics.org): Feature Presentation, A (Fox, 1950 series) #5, Jungle Jo (Fox, 1950 series) #1, My Love Memoirs (Fox, 1949 series) #? Romeo Tubbs (Fox, 1950 series) #26. Variety #nn, Fox Giant 1950 (From DigitalComicMuseum.com): Crimes by Women (Fox, 1948 series) #12 My Love Memoirs (Fox, 1949 series) #12 Jungle Lil (Fox, 1950 series) #1 A (Fox, 1950 series) #5 Does anyone else have any variations of contents for this book?

It would be interesting to see from others who own these same books, the different remaindered book variations, and the degree of differences and similarities within the same issue. Do you own this book or Secret Love Stories (above)? What do yours contain? For the record, this copy contains (in that order): Murder Incorporated #2 (3/48), Murder Incorporated #1 (1/48), Murder Incorporated #9 (3/49) Famous Crimes #5 (1/49). _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

Thanks. It's funny, I had never discovered that board yet. I found it quite disorganized (as is The Selling one), and can imagine someone's want/sell list quickly ending up on page 10 and soon forgotten about. Even if a Fox Giant does not contain a Phantom Lady, many of the interior Fox romance comics are uncommon and sometimes scarce. I suppose the same thing applies to other companies who have rebound books like St. John's Giant Comics Edition. Has anyone bought a Giant Comics Edition for the interior books as apposed to for their from covers (ie #12 & #15?) I have a two Fox Giants already, they are a grab-bag of fun for Fox Fans. There's one attached below. _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

Thanks to everyone here, your input was just what I was seeking, confirmation of how I was feeling inside. Because even if I acquired the Fox Giant, I'd still be looking for the original book that is my objective. And 120% over guide is very expensive. If was was at guide, it would be affordable at around $150 instead of over $400! Any discount a major dealer gives is really a token gesture. But so acquiring the book because it is 'desirable in the contents,' that was the Pro, in my own internal argument. But because the Cons far outweigh the Pros, it doesn't seem to make sense to spend that kind of dough on a book that in essence is a placeholder. The advice here was quite unanimous, and a consensus, which I'll heed. Where is a good place on this site to post one's want list?? I'm grateful to all who replied.

I am thinking about picking up a Fox Giant, however, it is priced 120% over guide (not 20% over, but 120% over). And I want it, not because of the book itself, but because I am seeking one of the remaindered books contained within it. It is in a desirable grade for such a Giant, over 6.0, but it's raw and not slabbed. Does anyone think I should hold off and try to wait it out for something to appear on eBay? My own experience tells me that it's tough to find any Fox Giants in grades above 5.5. Is 120% over guide totally unreasonable? After all, I seek only 1 of the books contained within it, and from the other three books, there is no Phantom Lady or All Top to account for the high premium? Has anyone else ever bought a Fox Giant for one of the books it contained, to save a place in their collections until they could pick up the actual book itself (which are really difficult to track down sometimes)? And besides, ideally I'd like to own the actual book in it's entirety including front and back covers (and inside covers). Any advice would be appreciated because I'm in a Fox giant conundrum.

If I can interpret this, I would say that Ziff-Davis and St. John still remained two separate entities, with St. John taking control of the following titles: Romantic Marriage, Kid Cowboy, The Hawk, Wild Boy of the Congo and Cinderella Love Now the real value to St. John for their $50,000 probably was not those 6 titles per say, but rather the EXTRA six positions that they would expend on the newsstands themselves, that were normally reserved for ZD Comics. That gave St. John much more visibility in a highly competitive market. I'd love to know much more of the actual details surrounding such 'Inventory' acquisitions. Does anyone know what ever happened to Michael St. John son of Archer? I imagine he could reveal many interesting facts and details surrounding his Father's acquisitions of Z-D inventory, as well as many more stories from Comicdom's glory days. _________________________ Good Girl Art Lovers Welcome GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

Thanks for that link. It was an astonishingly riveting read and was chock-full of vital information pertaining to St. John Publishing and Matt Baker. Here's some key quotes from ComicArtVillie's article that pertain to this issue Here's a complex breakdown of St. John acquisitions and imprints: Chesler--->St. John Link St. John ---> Jubilee Publications (- imprint) St. John ---> Blue Ribbon (a one-title published - imprint) St. John ---> Flying Eagle (Pulps - imprint) Ziff Davis--->St. John (purchased the majority of the Ziff-Davis inventory?) Fago Publications ---> St. John It will take some time for me to reflect on all that I've just consumed, in order for me to formulate final conclusions. Did anyone else find this info enlightening? _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

I didn't know that. Is that documented somewhere, or are you speculating? Maybe St. John Publishing only purchased a few titles from Ziff Davis. Does anyone know how many ZD Romance issue numbers were reprinted by St. John? If St. John purchased the entire Ziff-Davis Company, then that means they continued to use the company under their ZD label as a subsidiary until 1956/7 when they were still publishing their only major ongoing title, G.I. Joe. I'm just thinking aloud here, but is it possible that St. John purchased a few titles from Ziff-Davis, yet I don't know how that investment would benefit them, unless they felt that the titles Romantic Marriage, Kid Cowboy, The Hawk, Wild Boy of the Congo and Cinderella Love would benefit them, as apposed to starting their own new titles. And if St. John did purchase the entire ZD company, then did they reprint or rebound their stock of titles? I mean when we look at the Ziff-Davis titles from GCD we can see it's a small list of relatively short run titles with the exception of G.I. Joe. Why would ZD, who only appeared on the scene in 1950 sell out to St. John after only 1 year of the inception, and why wouldn't St. John Publishing switch the G.I. Joe title to their own brand name? These are questions I am asking myself to solve these riddles of the nature of the relationship between ZD and St. John. Is it common knowledge that St. John purchased the ZD company? Is confirmation of it documented somewhere on the net? If so, why URL? This is only a small unresolved question in my own mind, since my interests in comic books primarilybetween 1945-1954, GGA and oddball comics. _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

Here's my layman's understanding- Timely,Atlas, Marvel: I believe Marvel's original company name was Timely beginning back in 10-11/39 with Marvel Comics #1. In the 50's, they simply changed their name to Atlas (in essence ditching the name Timely). Then in the late 1950's once again changing names to Marvel (though, if my memory is correct, I believe they used the name Marvel too in the mid-late '40s). So this was all 1 schizophrenic company. I guess they are happy with Marvel now, because it's been 50 years with no name change. Youthful Magazines and Trojan connection- They made excellent precode comics, and very well may be inter-related through single ownership. I do not have any answers for this one, but someone out there must. Avon/Realistic: Again, this is my layman's understanding: Same company. I believe Realistic was a subsidiary of Avon used to market their own line of comic books with more 'Realistic-ally' (yet less expressionistic) drawn art. Your analogies are different from my original question because 2/3 of the above, are single comic publishers. While Ziff-Davis and St. John are clearly 2 separate companies and entities. If I am incorrect, or if anyone can expand on what I've said, feel free, because it is interesting, as well as educational from a Comic Book historical perspective. _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

. . There is something that is confusing me, and I wonder if anyone here can shed light on the relationship between Ziff-Davis and St. John between 1951-1953? For instance, in 1950 Ziff Davis began the title Cinderella Love with issue #10 and Romantic Marriage with issue #1. In Sept. 1951 the Cinderella Love title is transferred to St. John Publishing beginning with issue #12. And in Sept 1953 St. John Publishing acquired the Romantic Marriage title with issue #18. And according to Overstreet, Matt Baker's cover issue of Romantic Marriage #23 reprints the contents of issue #15. And issue #15 was a Ziff Davis issue. So that means that St. John had the printing plates transferred from ZD to themselves when they acquired the title, right? This all pertains to the transferring of established comic book titles between 2 separate Comic Book publishing companies. Does anyone have any ideas? I have a few other questions about the numbering system, but for now don't want to get ahead of myself. . . _________________________ Need Some Vocal GGA Participants GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/ . .

So cool JvR11, thanks for posting these great covers!!! There's so much to absorb here with Baker's covers (and art). In regards to Cinderella Love 28, does the CCA logo detract from this issues appeal? I mean are precode Baker's more appealing, because he had more creative license with the art, and the way he preferred to draw his figures? I'm sure it effected him personally, but what about Baker Collectors? Precode vs Postcode, or it simply does not matter because a beautiful piece of art is still a beautiful piece of art no matter what period Baker drew it? Cinderella Love, the St. John issues are magnificent. Here on #28, I love the then-modern affiliation to the actual Cinderella story, as the Female character amorously dreams of her idyllic Prince Charming. C.L.#28 is an enchanted cover. I'm certain she is waiting for her fairy Godmother to arrive to make all her dreams and desires come true. There's much more I'd like to comment on from the books from your collection, as Baker's work provokes much thought through his visuals. One last thing I've also noticed about Matt Baker's art, he seems to have a mastery of truly capturing the essence of a story within his covers and Splashes. Truly, no dialog is even needed, we can plainly see it, or at least I can. _________________________ Need Some Active Participants & GGA Experts GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

What a figure on the girl holding the Marriage Application on the cover to Wartime romances #16. Baker's sense of anatomy and expression is so impressive. _________________________ Visit Today GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

In this extensive and abounding Baker Romance thread, I was wondering if and what issues of Teen-Age Romances, Diary Secrets, Pictorial Confessions/Romances, and Wartime Romances have YET to be posted/pictured? Some surviving issues are obviously more difficult to locate than others (while I know any in high grade are a tough find). Which ones are missing from this thread, and which, in your opinions are scarce to rare even in low grade? As I was checking out recent additions here, I could not help but admire the phenomenal cover for TheCollectron's offering of Diary Secrets #14. Whether Baker draws a panel, a splash or a cover, each is a stunning self-standing work of art (imo), and that Diary Secrets #14 is a perfect example of that. The attached pic is from TheCollectron's cover with a hint of color correction. ______________________________________________ GGA FORUM: http://www.SpankingPanels.com/forum/

I nearly forgot about this nice comic book from my collection. I haven't had the chance to have it slabbed yet, but one day I will. Diary Secrets #11 with a really sweet sheen to the cover. I suspect all Diary Secrets' Comics reprint other St. John romance comics, and this one is no exception. It reprints 3 stories from TR#3, and one from Pictorial Confessions #2. What do you think is the best thread here to post my PL's in? So far as the spanking panels, the funny thing about collecting any specific type of interior story theme, whether spanking panels, bondage panels, Atom Bomb panels, or Vampire appearances, GGA comics (and so on), is that the collection itself becomes very esoteric in it's outward appearance. For instance Spanking panels appear in many appealing titles such as TR#3, Diary Secrets #11, Patsy Walker, Candy, Crack, Feature, Spirit Sections, Crimes By Women etc., etc. So unless I started my own thread, I'd have to post these all over the board. (Well, I post them over at my website). Let me say, the spanking panels all tie into GGA, which was my original interest in collecting Golden Age Comics. The best ones are the wildest, funniest and sexiest. I have many other non-spanking panel GGA titles as well, such as Phantom Lady, Torchy, Rulah and All Top. I am a true collector at heart, and even have another collection of very high grade late '60s - early '70s TV comics such as Land Of The Giants, Sid & Marty Krofft & even Jay Ward, but mostly Hanna-Barbera. But that again is for another thread or two. I'm sure many of you out there collect more than just a single theme when it comes to comic books. For now, Diary Secrets #11

I just discovered this awesome thread tonight. I'm a huge Baker Fan, and thought this contribution of Teen_age Romances #3 best fits here and compliments all the other amazing books in this thread. Unrestored high grade copies of Teen-Age Romances are really a tough find, and often carry a steep premium when located (well over guide). In regards to TR#3, there's also a sweet spanking panel inside this issue (but I'm sure everyone knows that) that leads to Romance between the two lead characters. That is a giant bonus for me since I collect spanking panels as well as other classic GGA issues. I have some solid copies of PL to scan one day for other threads, but this is my sole Baker Romance comic in high grade from my collection. I find Baker's art to be sooooooooooooooo charming. It makes me sad that today's generation has lost that mystique. It's as if his Matt Baker's art best defines 'Comic Book Romance', it even epitomizes it, since the majority of his work absolutely oozes with, and honestly conveys, loving courtship to the point where a viewer can feel it and believe it from and between his figures and characters.

Cool. That cover to Teen-Age Romances #11 is an OUTSTANDING Baker cover, truly rivaling some of his finest ones. Congrats on that fine score. Good observation about that interior story too, offering future influence to TR38's cover. It's funny how ideas come about. I'm sure as writers at Fox were looking for ideas, they researched past issues and saw Baker's art for TR#11 and envisioned the provocative cover concept for issue #38. Nice find. If there was to ever be a book on Matt Baker's Art, that would make a fine eminent observance for inclusion. They are a musing pair.