Romain

Looking for Starlin's DREADSTAR #14 Read somewhere it had been bought as a present for a friend ...? Any clues anyone ?? And the Sienkiewicz Bobby Digital EP painted cover A hint It's agreat thread !!! (thumbs u

(thumbs u I'll be waiting ..

Goes deep into the heart !!! at last some kind words which are slowly taking me in and curing me of my anger Thanks Michael !!! Means a lot to me, really do !!! Don't want to be mad at Joe and I'm glad he be doing his best to straighten things up I think he should in the end ( let him finish the work for everyone first ) address personnally and publicly to the boardies ...I really think it would be the best of things to do but I hope you understand my need of evidence in the matter of the commission toward charity, I believe a word from the HI should be enough for me though ! Well I'll remember Joe's first thoughts about my double cosmic cover commission when he said to me " that seems a lot of work but that should be fun " and stick to that faint memory while keeping true to my quest for published original comic art ! In the Lichty threads arguments is over what is art and is comic OA simply art ? What I do know is what I collect, I'm not an art collector though a great art lover but I do collect published things and published original comic art is the best !

Wow that's some news !!! Thanks Michael for not keeping me in the dark !!!! much appreciated ! So I totally agree and stand on my position regarding the Hero Initiative and I very much appreciate if all can be taken for since I've no idea how I should proceed myself ... But I find it very pityful the piece Joe will donate to the HI be not the exact commission I paid $1.2K for .. for the record a double cover cosmic commission Avengers Annual #7 blended with Dreadstar #1 ??!! I mean my hopes are my so big investment and commission idea could possibly sell for a proper amount if it is to be donated to charity auction Of course I don't bother getting anything for myself ( but simple respect from my pears ! ) but I can't be left in the dark, I'll need all the evidence Joe worked on something at least close to my commission theme and proof it is sold for the HI with no profit at all for any third party !!! And if I never get these I'll never be even with Joe ...or his lawyers !

It seems there must anti vs pro RL but IMHO we should be able to consider him as an artist who got a serious impact but who in the end should have credited his sources !! I can understand the idea or concept of taking panels of these "meaningless comicbook" at the time ( I believe it was a great idea ! ) but why not simply accept comic book artists as artists and give them credits ??

Yeah we'll see about that ! So far all I got is plain insults ( in private )...which for the amount I've been ripped off is quite ..... absurd !!?? you tell me !

OK I'm laughing !!!

Is that supposed to be funny ?

The image definitly belongs to this thread !!!

this a copy a the mail I sent two minutes ago to Spencer 1 : paid on 21/08/08 $200 on 15/09/08 $200 on 27/12/08 $300 on 07/02/09 $500 2 : Bonjour romain verlier, Votre paiement de $200,00 USD au bénéfice de jjr6658@aol.com a été envoyé. Il vous faudra attendre quelques instants avant de voir apparaître cette transaction dans l'Activité récente de l'Aperçu du compte. Conversion de devise : €139,71 EUR = $200,00 USD Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,43154USD Détails du paiement Montant : $200,00 USD Numéro de transaction : 5KU11394MV594994N Objet : comission deposit Message : Here is a small deposit !!! Please take your time so I can take mine... kind regards, Romain Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne Cordialement, PayPal Votre relevé mensuel est disponible à tout moment : il vous suffit de vous connecter à votre compte à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HISTORY. En cas de problème, veuillez contacter notre Service clientèle accessible via l'Aide à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HELP. Veuillez ne pas répondre à cet email. Les messages reçus à cette adresse ne sont pas lus et ne reçoivent donc aucune réponse. Pour obtenir de l'aide, connectez-vous à votre compte PayPal et cliquez sur le lien Aide en haut à droite de n'importe quelle page PayPal. Pour recevoir des notifications par email au format texte et non en HTML, mettez vos préférences à jour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 1999-2008 PayPal. Tous droits réservés. PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. & Cie, S.C.A. Société en Commandite par Actions Siège social : 5ème étage 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg RCS Luxembourg B 118 349 Email PayPal n° PP118 Bonjour romain verlier, Votre paiement de $200,00 USD au bénéfice de jjr6658@aol.com a été envoyé. Il vous faudra attendre quelques instants avant de voir apparaître cette transaction dans l'Activité récente de l'Aperçu du compte. Conversion de devise : €143,33 EUR = $200,00 USD Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,39545USD Détails du paiement Montant : $200,00 USD Numéro de transaction : 2S30457392834352K Objet : cosmic comission 2d payment !!! Message : Dear Joe, I hope everything is fine for you ... best regards, Romain Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne Cordialement, PayPal Votre relevé mensuel est disponible à tout moment : il vous suffit de vous connecter à votre compte à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HISTORY. En cas de problème, veuillez contacter notre Service clientèle accessible via l'Aide à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HELP. Veuillez ne pas répondre à cet email. Les messages reçus à cette adresse ne sont pas lus et ne reçoivent donc aucune réponse. Pour obtenir de l'aide, connectez-vous à votre compte PayPal et cliquez sur le lien Aide en haut à droite de n'importe quelle page PayPal. Pour recevoir des notifications par email au format texte et non en HTML, mettez vos préférences à jour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © 1999-2008 PayPal. Tous droits réservés. PayPal (Europe) S.à r.l. & Cie, S.C.A. Société en Commandite par Actions Siège social : 5ème étage 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg RCS Luxembourg B 118 349 Email PayPal n° PP118 Bonjour romain verlier, Vous avez envoyé un paiement de $300,00 USD à jjr6658@aol.com. Cette transaction apparaîtra bientôt dans l'Activité récente de votre Aperçu du compte. Conversion de devise : €219,81 EUR = $300,00 USD Le taux de change appliqué à cet achat est de 1 EUR = 1,36483USD Détails du paiement Montant : $300,00 USD Date de la transaction : 27 déc 2008 Numéro de transaction : 7XV70923RP300734Y Objet : Vous avez reçu de l'argent ! Adresse de livraison : 26 rue thiers boulogne billancourt France Afficher les détails de cette transaction en ligne Cordialement, PayPal Votre relevé mensuel est disponible à tout moment : il vous suffit de vous connecter à votre compte à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HISTORY. En cas de problème, veuillez contacter notre Service clientèle accessible via l'Aide à l'adresse https://www.paypal.com/fr/HELP. Veuillez ne pas répondre à cet email. Les messages reçus à cette adresse ne sont pas lus et ne reçoivent donc aucune réponse. Pour obtenir de l'aide, connectez-vous à votre compte PayPal et cliquez sur le lien Aide en haut à droite de n'importe quelle page PayPal. 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Société en Commandite par Actions Siège social : 22-24 Boulevard Royal L-2449, Luxembourg RCS Luxembourg B 118 349 Email PayPal n° PP118 Recherche PayPalRechercher Accéder au contenu principal Déconnexion Aide Espace sécurité Mon compte Aperçu du compte Ajouter des fonds Virer des fonds Historique Gestionnaire de litiges Préférences Envoi d'argent Facturation Solutions e-commerce Solutions eBay Détails de la transaction Paiement envoyé (Nº de transaction unique 2YX52775TB728331Y) Transaction d'origine Date Type État Détails Montant 7 fév 2009 Paiement A Josef Rubinstein Terminé ... -$500,00 USD Transactions associées Date Type État Détails Montant 7 fév 2009 Débit sur carte bancaire TerminéLe virement de votre carte bancaire vers votre compte PayPal a été effectué. Le virement de votre carte bancaire vers votre compte PayPal a été effectué. Détails €293,45 EUR 7 fév 2009 Conversion de devise Terminé Détails -€293,45 EUR 7 fév 2009 Conversion de devise Terminé Détails $369,50 USD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Envoyé à : Josef Rubinstein (Le destinataire de ce paiement est Vérifié) Email : jjr6658@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Montant total : -$500,00 USD Montant de la commission : $0,00 USD Montant net : -$500,00 USD (soit -€293,45 EUR) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conversion de : -€293,45 EUR Conversion en : $369,50 USD Taux de change : 1 Euro = 1,25915 Dollars USD -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date : 7 fév 2009 Heure : 15:02:34 CET État : Terminé -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Objet : Vous avez reçu de l'argent ! Remarque : Dear Joe here is the final payment for the long expected commission piece Dreadstar #1/Avengers Annual #7 covers !!! Sorry to have been so long ... Thanks for your patience, kind regards, Romain Verlier Type d'approvisionnement : Solde PayPal et Carte bancaire Source d'approvisionnement : $130,50 USD - Compte PayPal €293,45 EUR - Carte Visa XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-9802 Cette transaction apparaîtra sur votre relevé sous l'intitulé "PAYPAL *JJR6658". Plus d'informations Mobile Paiements groupés Notre société Types de compte Tarifs Respect de la vie privée Espace sécurité Service clientèle Contrats d'utilisation Développeurs Chèques-cadeaux Copyright © 1999-2012 PayPal. Tous droits réservés. 3 : total $1.2K all via paypal 4 : Dreadstar #1 cover and Avengers Annual #7 cover blended together to form a wrap or DPS A Lord Papal head added to make the symmetry with Thanos' Appart from these precise demands all was at the discretion of the artist ( logo, one sheet or two sheets, etc ... ) Pencil and inks ..... 5 : it only takes a few minutes to write a note and that's what I'd want .. 6 : Romain Verlier 26, Rue Thiers ( street ) interphone rue 5 ( additiional address ) Boulogne Billancourt ( City ) 92100 ( zipcode ) France ( Country ) phone : 0033 684 436 873 day or night You address to ALL the commissioners so here is my file ...If you decide to let me out of it please just say so but publicly Please note I will stay true to my words so the commission should it happen will be offered on ebay for no reserve toward the Hero Initiative unless you point me a better charity cause . Romain Verlier PS : COPY OF THIS EMAIL WILL BE POSTED ON THE BOARD

Ahhhhhh... The Legend. AcA It truly is a virue, isn't it.....love that one -- it just gets better and better with age.... Yes funny and yet very sad ...An instant classic !!!

Dear friend, PLEASE DON'T !!! IT's over for me regarding this commission ............ HONESTLY it will just get me even more furious than I already am .................. I repeat : please put me off this list so the other robbed commissioners get their due, Joe his reputation back OR one can send the refunds to any charity one may find convenient OR I'll put it on ebay with no reserve the day I receive it. Sincerely appreciate the efforts but that's the last time I'll ever speak of this matter and I'll try not to think of it asap

Sticks & stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Thanks Chromium that's it exactly !!! Or refund can be sent directly to the Hero Initiative !!!

That does it !!! Dear Michael, though I sincerely appreciate all your efforts to straighten things with Joe my last email exchange with Spencer just resulted in my willing to put a final point to this horror story, at least to mine ... So please note I will put the commission on ebay with no reserve the day I get it !!( if I get it ! ) That means : no need for further attempt to help things for me I ask to be put off the list or down the list of all the commissions pastdue from Joe so everyone can hope to get their own even faster as mine was a big one Good luck everyone !!!! En France on dit " le ridicule ne tue pas ! " but I'm not sure of the equivalent in english ? off line until next time ... (thumbs u

One last thought ... The " sorry I'm french" stands for me only for the bad communication due to the time difference between us ..not for the language issues because there's no reason to apologize for this IMHO ..

Hi dear fellows collectors !!! I'm sorry if you have been waiting on my replies but I just opened the computer, read Spencer's email and answered to it right away...So I read only now your posts ... I find a bit exagerated the fact that Spencer be still angry at me after I apologized on this very board 2 years ago !!? Since then several Rubinstein threads appeared and I didn't even post a smiley's ... Well my dear friends I DON'T CARE ! I'll soon be the MOST happiest collector of all To Michael I want to say THANKS !!!! Michael should be the one mad at me and not Spencer and it's Michael helping me !!! Well that's how life can be ... Still I wish Joe had replied to my emails ... AND FOR THE NEWCOMERS : I NEVER THREATENED TO HARM PHYSICALLY ANYONE !!!! And if I have to get a lawyer to serve my cause it will not be for refund issues but for a diffamation claim !!!!! Peace

I'm personnally very pleased to read that !!! I want to state I wasn't bashing Joe or Spencer but simply told my story again ... If I sounded otherwise I apologize again ! I had thought all day long of lots things to say about the thread but THIS awesome news I hope will settle things right !!! And I promise to give all the credits to the supertalented skills of Master Rubinstein if I ever see my double cover cosmic commission and of course to Spencer Beck !!! I want to salute also all the professionals who spoke on the yahoo group and the friends

I'll add a few facts .. Actually everything described by Rob is what I experienced !! The same excuses for delays, the same way of replying only to threat, the same way he asked for the funds to be able to "begin" the work and so on ...and of course he was the one who asked first since I never did any commission but was trying to get infos on Jim Starlin to get me a Starlin commission he offered me his skills !!! I'd say there is a pattern of fraudulent activity ... That's for all of you reading and still wondering what to think between the great commission pieces posted regularly on CAF and what we have to live with ... BTW he did me the '" please remind me what was this commission about ?" as well ! And I'll add for my own that I didn't have any luck through Spencer Beck who prefered to judge my tone ( unfortunatly I always input my humor in my writings ..well I'm french !!! ) rather than the acts and the facts ! After a lot of arguing on this board I ended up with a weird offer to send me Starlin OA but it is not about the money is it ? I feel robbed and worse I feel insulted by someone I truely had respect for ....The Starlin art I want I buy and I don't expect it as a second hand opportunity I have too much respect for it ! Artists are what they are, can act the weirdest way or work the slowest but still they should be able to respect their commissioner if not their fans !!! Joe you're more than welcome to write to me !!! Anytime !!!

Well Regarding my Rubinstein killer commission purchased ( that is ... payed upfront ) I don't even remeber when ( maybe 5 years now ...maybe 6 ?) I NEVER got it ....worse I don't get Joe's reply anymore and I do use the same direct email he lousily provided through J Mangrum ..... He constantly offers his commission through CAF but don't do what he owes ... I thought I would leave it, forget it as my collection has gone beyond my wildest dreams so the cover recreations I asked for back then don't excite me anymore ...also since then I had the infinite pleasure to talk to Jim Starlin himself so the fanboy I am is also a lot less impressed as he was to speak to Mr Joe Rubinstein !!! I felt I should allow him one last chance after speaking to my good friend YM who convinced me artists aren't the same as us non artist simple mortals and sent him an email no less than a week ago and guess what ?? NO reply !!! Now to see this new and latest thread I had to speak again on this particular matter ...I know lot of things are said on the yahoo comicart group ...just joined in to learn a bit more !!! So my advice is if you do commission Joe don't pay upfront ...but more important if you do you must know that doing it will prevent many good fellow collectors to get their problem fixed so in the end you will share some of the moral responsability to this huge artist crisis

better get away from the board after some drinlking ........... Best wishes to everyone out there !!!!!

Almost bought this one ..... It IS A great cover !!!!!!! Congra

Normally everybody can use paypal and I'd recommend that for overseas transaction unless it is a huge amount of money therefore it's better to use bank transfert / wires but that can be slow ..that solves the currency issue. If you're dealing with a collector ( especially younger one ..) remember french don't always speak good english so be cool is the best advice, the dealers not so many in OA you shouldn't have any problems with, I guess ! Of course make sure you deal the piece in $ or euros ( unless we do transactions between europeans we generally speak in $ ourselves in regards to the comics and comicart ) I'm speaking for the US comic art which I know better but that shouldn't be any different for the European comic art either ..? I recommand to avoid regular mail and even the tracked ones as one can't trust the french mail !!!! it is far more expensive but I advise private carriers ! two links to find OA in Paris : http://www.editions-deesse.com/comics/comics.html ( the vintage old school first and best provider in France ) http://www.galerie9art.com/ ( more recent but quite decent ) Also never hesitate to ask your french friend here if you have any questions, PM or through CAF I'd be very happy to answer !!! Finally I'm on something myself but it's too soon to tell ..... Last tip : if you come to France, know that you can go to UK by train !!! BTW : http://www.londonsupercomicconvention.com/ (thumbs u

Aye Aye Sir Art is bigger than comic size so you need stronger box or package, keep in mind if the art is damaged you can't replace it !! Also I like to see the art totally sealed in the pack as I ship oversea I don't want the fishes to start their OA collection with my precioussss.. In the same idea I feel it is quite dangerous to insure and declare high values, better pay a big fine than getting robbed and refunded ( a refund will never heal the loss of a one of kind ) here's a link : http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryRoom.asp?GSub=99566 for what it's worth .. And in regards to storing..PROTECT YOUR ART by all means !!!! but know that it will never be enough unless you be running a true museum .. my 2K

Guess you're right (thumbs u Love the " twisted spoon who barbecues puppies " I'd never been able to say it like that !!! Hopefully plenty of the people in the hobby are nice persons and sharing the art is a wonderful thing for both side ! I remember back in the days when seing a couple of original comic art pages was so rare ( I'm french ... ) now I can browse all night and purchase all day ( wish I did ), discuss trade and dream about my favorite pieces from my fellow CAF members ...

Thanks !!! Still we shouldn't judge someone by his collection, at a time my aim was to have one Starlin page on each major character he did, hope to have one Kirby etc ..hopefully it grew real strong but I'm a lucky person !