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Jesus, Mary and Joseph! I thought about going there but didn't for fear of ccgmod0's wrath.

Divinity, as the Force did not have a personification either male or female. Well Shmi did, so are you saying he's not from one of her eggs? If she's Anakin's genetic mother, then the Force definitely pulled sperm from somewhere.

Except when the Force immaculately conceived Anakin. Or maybe Shmi did have twins and Greedo was his long lost brother. So when the Force impregnated Shmi without consent, was that divinity or was that rape?

Yea, it sounds like we're of identical minds except that:

I THINK I've read the whole thread, but does anyone have a non-spoiler guess as to the meaning of the film's subtitle? If that has been discussed already and I somehow missed it, I'll definitely refer back to earlier pages if anyone remembers it being discussed. While I have no inside information about the film and haven't read ANY spoilers to date, I'll wrap this in spoiler tags just in case people don't want to hear this stuff:

Cool, thanks for finding out those answers!!!

That's also my guess about Palpatine's presence in the film. He explicitly talked about it with Anakin in Revenge of the Sith while telling him about Darth Plagueis the Wise.

I have two main questions about Disney Plus: Can you download anything for offline viewing? What resolutions will it support? 2K max, or will it do 4K?

Not particularly compelling yet through two episodes. The rain of squid in the first episode was goofy. No further explanation at all of what that was?!?! I mean, I can guess, but come on, still not sure what sense it makes. I immediately thought of the raining frogs from "Magnolia" when I saw it. So Veidt has a bunch of clones who he whacks whenever he feels like it?

This sounds exactly like what Feige was doing before only now he's officially in charge of television shows.

They have supposedly agreed to allow the next Deadpool movie to be rated R, so that will most likely be the template for Marvel content with more adult themes. I'm still wondering where Disney will distribute that after it leaves theaters...I'm guessing Hulu and not Disney Plus, but we'll see.

Choosing to reply at all can easily be implicitly emotional. And when it's tit-for-tat-gotta-have-the-last-word posting, it's pure emotional fragility. Opting to not suffer fools is far harder than the opposite and far more satisfying, it just takes at least a few minutes for the satisfaction to set in.

The more I think about elements of the film the more I think those comments in the press from Philips and Phoenix were meant literally, that the entire film is a tale spun entirely by the Joker in his mind. That's why he's on-screen EVERY moment of the film, because he's the center of his own story. Was there any scene at all in the entire film that wasn't shown from the Joker's perspective in his world where he wasn't the center of the scene? That's another element I'll be looking for in a repeat viewing.

So this movie is being made for the cosplaying Instagram generation? You seem to be implying that a focus on beauty is something new, but my understanding is that it's been a part of human nature since forever. And that it's even more primal than that and plenty of other species have aesthetic preferences as well. The evolution of peacocks is the most extreme example of that I'm aware of.

I've decided I'm definitely watching this at least one more time, just not in the theater. Upon a second viewing I'll be watching it through the prism of it all being a manufactured tale of the Joker as we see in those two panels I linked before from Killing Joke. I'm particularly interested in scenes which lean heavily towards idealized versions of events that depict Joker in a a more positive light. It occurred to me this week that the riot scene where the people lift him out of the car like he's Jesus and gently resting him on the car hood is probably him romanticizing whatever actually did happen.

For the same reason the rest of society disparaged single women and particularly single mothers. It's certainly possible that Thomas Wayne was more enlightened than most, but if we're going to limit ourselves to the context of this story in the first place--which is a mistake and likely academic since Joker probably made most of it up--Wayne seemed to be quite an unsympathetic type of guy. Which again is more likely because that's the way Joker preferred to depict him in his tale.

It'd be a stretch that he'd want to, but if he wanted to, yes, money can make most things happen. But Wayne himself likely would've judged her unfavorably as being fit to be a single mother. His adoption by a single mother idea is far more likely within the film to be a plot hole created in his own personal narrative.

Interjecting a bit of fantasy into mutants is better than simply assuming evolution could yield organisms capable of generating that much power. The usual explanation is that their skin absorbs solar energy like Superman, but I've always wanted to see shots of Scott Summers or Logan gorging 50,000+ calories of food per day to fuel their powers. I imagine the X-Men as spending their time off-camera like cows, constantly eating and pooping.

I assume this is the one from 1967 that the famous "Spider-Man, Spider-Man, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man!" theme song came from. I have this one on DVD and both of my kids love it and have seen every episode 3-5 times. Really looking forward to this service launching. I listened to someone run down every digital service Disney has started over the last 25 years, and thus far EVERY one of them has sucked and/or failed. Hopefully this time they get it right.

"I see you've become 'old' in your oh so mortal way, mon capitan. Would you feel more comfortable if I project myself as 'old' as well? Don't answer. It matters not. I'm doing it because it pleases me." -Q Great John de Lancie impersonation! That does seem to work.

It wasn't just income requirements; it was also societal expectations for women. And those expectations were better by the 1970s than they were in the 1940s when the film version of the character would have adopted Arthur. If you a women back then and you weren't married, you hadn't fulfilled your supposed function in society. Most people at that time would have wondered why she wasn't married yet was still looking to adopt and would be far more likely to judge her unworthy in some way if she hadn't landed a man yet. This societal norm changed drastically in the 1960s. Not sure how long it took to filter through to bias against single women looking to adopt.

Do we know when this movie is set? Is it the distant past? If so, I'm wondering if this movie was planned almost entirely to introduce mutants into the MCU. I'm half-expecting it to end with something related to that, with possibly the post-credits scene featuring ancient Egypt and En Sabah Nur, i.e. Apocalypse (the first mutant).

Amazing parody.

Yep, those two films and that one scene from Casino occurred to me as well as being far worse than anything in Joker. Plus you could just keep picking films--any Saw movie, any Leatherface movie, etc, all far more gratuitously violent explorations of deviant behavior than Joker.

So I guess there are a few ways to take Todd Phillips's comments about the final scene of the film: You could discount his comments and take the film at face value. Given that it was demonstrated several times that on-screen events were told from his perspective and not true such as his relationship with Zazie Beetz or that scene where Robert DeNiro's character brought him up on stage from the audience, this likely isn't the way to think of the film. You could take his comments to mean that EVERYTHING in the film was a product of the Joker's imagination. That's the kind of film that pisses everyone off, however, so I doubt that this is it. You could take his comments to mean that most things in the film happened somewhat like they're shown on-screen, but that the Joker has warped most or all of them to paint his past in some semi-random way that amuses him. If it's the third possibility I'm not sure there's much value in talking about how likely it is that his mother could have adopted him, whether or not Thomas Wayne is his father, or anything else, really, because we can't take anything the film showed at face value. Maybe he never did murder that clown colleague or the talk show host, or maybe he never saw Bruce Wayne as a pre-teen and just completely inserted that memory into his tale of himself, who knows. Phillips specifically referred to these panels from Moore's "Killing Joke" in that interview, so this is probably the way to interpret the film: