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Star Wars: The Force Awakens doubled FF's entire domestic gross on opening day.

On Thursday, FF took in $190 per theater. Ricky and the Flash, with Meryl Streep as a "hard-rocking guitarist", took in $279 per theater. They've been out the same amount of time.

Money is always the play. X-Men TV rights are worth money. Keeping the rights away from Marvel is worth money. Fox's future FF profits and Marvel's future FF profits are worth a dollar amount (not the same). With the situation as it is now, it seems like there is a deal to be made were both sides make a profit (whether it is cash, or cash/rights exchange).

8/13/15: $1,412,097 8/12/15: $1,665,804 8/11/15: $2,935,121 8/10/15: $2,262,459 8/09/15: $5,825,044 8/08/15: $8,577,825 8/07/15: $11,282,868 I'm not sure how they forecasted an $11 MM weekend when the past few days haven't even added up to $8.3 MM. Yeah time to sell to Marvel and hope that what they are willing to pay doesn't plummet. It might be worth it for these studios (Fox and Sony) to keep the license just to prevent Marvel/Disney from using the properties. Remember, if Marvel/Disney gets these properties and puts out a blockbuster, that is money the other studios don't see by way of lost ticket sales on their offerings. Now what I can see is these studios "loaning" these characters back to Marvel/Disney for a cut of the profits. It would be silly for any of these studios to let Marvel/Disney get these characters back. I'll bet the studios who lost Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and some of Marvel's lesser known characters wish they had hung onto them. It comes down to what Disney/Marvel is willing to pay to get the rights back. The price will never be lower than it is right now. Fox is about to lose a ton on this last one ($100M?), I'm sure they would like that back and then some. Whatever Marvel pays they would make back in the long run, more than Fox would make, that is for sure.

Thanks kind of like Shredder with the TMNT. They've got plenty of villains, but Shredder always gets crammed into the mix. seriously, screw doom v FF, I'd loooovvvee to see a doom v mephisto for the soul of his mom. No origin story needed. He's just the king of Latveria, he wears a mask, he's got some science and magic powers, he's mostly evil but also mostly cares about his people, and he wants to effff up mephisto....anndddd go! Doom is a very interesting character. While he's a villain to the F4,he does help them out when things get really bad. He's neither hero or villain,he mainly helps when it benefits him. He also wants to prove that he's better scientist than Mr.Fantastic,and in some cases he is. I would love to see a team up with Dr.Strange and Dr.Doom battling Mephisto. I think we are all in agreement. The first part is awesome as well. Selection of the new Sorcerer Supreme and it comes down to Strange and Doom.

1) Too toxic right now for even Disney. 2)Enuff Doom for now. Maybe Psycho Man/Wasp cameo in Ant-Man 2 ? 3)Nope. Too much will be going on at it is. 4) Maybe Galactus cameo at end of Thor 3 ? 1) Nothing better than buying low. 2) Psycho Man/Wasp - Not bad. I still think fans would go crazy for a real Dr. Doom movie even if it came out next month. 3) Yeah. I'd love to see them in it though (along with Doom). 4) Any post-credit scene with Galactus would be epic.

I doubt this could happen, but here is a possible way to salvage FF: 1. Ideally, Marvel/Disney realizes the price for FF will never be lower than today, and offers Fox a deal they can't refuse. 2. Since no one could stomach an FF reboot any time soon, Marvel starts with either a solo Dr. Doom movie or Dr. Strange 2 with Dr. Doom. Victor's mother being damned, growing up in Latveria, college meeting Reed and Ben, becoming Doom, then rescuing his mother with the help of Dr. Strange (just like in the great Doom/Strange graphic novel). 3. FF guest stars in the Infinity Gauntlet movies. 4. Then full on Galactus story in their own movie.

The space race and the 'Commie scare' were real things, though. I know it was real (I heard about it in my history class ) , but if you are telling a modern tale it doesnt work. Captain America set in 1940 worked, right? That's what I meant by time piece. Set it back 60 years and film it like Mad Men (as I heard another boardie say in the WC). we're on the same side of the table on this. If Fox had decided to do a 60s version of the FF, they could have held more closely to the Lee/Kirby story and used it as a blueprint. I dont know if it would have been good, but it certainly would have been interesting. Fox decided they wanted to be young and modern and threw it all out the window... A period piece would be pretty cool. However, I think you can get very close to the real origin story today. Reed owns a private space flight company and on the maiden flight for passengers, he takes up his wife, brother-in-law and pilot best friend. Reed uses the flight to run one of his experiments, something happens, they get turned into the FF and the ship crashes to earth. Done. No need for everyone to be a genius and you still get Reed turning his friend into a monster.

Oh... My... God... Oh my God x 2 Can someone explain to me how that works? I mean how did he survive? Did he have a job, forage for food in the wild? Was that ever addressed. It looked like he was hiding out in a shack in Mexico.

You're right. It ended up being a synopsis. There was too much painful material to document.

I like that they come to the realization that the target audience is kids comic fans horror fans general audiences no one. It is sad though. Since they don't know much about the comics, and get their info from all of these debacles, they can't see how to make a good FF movie.

Here is my full spoiler review Warning, Spoiler: The movie opens in a classroom and the purpose of the scene is to show how smart Reed is as a child and that Ben was in his class. The classroom is dingy, the kids and the teacher make fun of Reed for his crazy ideas. 15 seconds in, and I knew I wasn't watching a FF movie. The FF always celebrates science and intelligence. If this was in a real FF movie, the room would be bright, the teacher would be an arrogant sub who calls on Reed, and all the other kids are smiling because they know Reed is going to put him in his place (not in a vengeful way, but in a here are the "real facts" way). The initial intro to Ben is fine, he doesn't say anything, but is intrigued by Reed. Unfortunately it cuts now to Ben's home life, and his abusive brother smacks him HARD across the head and says, "It's Clobbering Time!". The Thing's fun catchphrase has now been linked to child abuse. Having young actors is tough, and they seemed to do a fine job except when given lines a child would never say like Reed's first words to Ben, "Don't kill me!" Being super-smart I guess makes you jump to the worst-case scenario, or in this bleak Ultimate FF world, people get routinely murdered for petty theft. Then a little later, Reed teleports a toy car. Instead of a normal kid's reaction, "Wow, that's cool!!!!", we get a quiet, "Reed you are insane". No one is allowed to have any fun in this movie. The film jumps 7 years to a high school science fair. It must be a small school that goes from K-12th grade, because Reed's 5th grade teacher is there judging the contest (not to mention there are actual 5th graders that Reed is competing against). The experiment works, but for some inexplicable reason it shatters a basketball backboard. No one seems to be concerned that if the wave had been aimed lower, it would have killed a bunch of kids. Franklin Richards and Sue suddenly appear at the science show with no explanation why they are there, I guess they are scouting talent at this odd K-12 school in the poorer part of town. Or maybe they saw the list of upcoming school science projects that every school announces in advance. Anyway, they basically say, "wow, your experiment is exactly what we are working on, what a coincidence, we would like to give you a full scholarship." in about 30 seconds of screen time. Fast forward again to the Baxter Foundation, and Reeds talks to Sue in the library. They discuss the music Sue is listening to and she blurts out "Pattern Recognition", like a slightly functioning autistic savant. That's how the character is played throughout the entire movie. You couldn't be farther from Sue Storm if you tried. Dr. Doom is introduced as a moping emo recluse who only agrees to return to the project because Sue will be there. Dr. Doom is in love with Sue in this mess. In the real FF, Dr. Doom's motivations are 1) finding a way to save his damned mother; 2) making Latveria prosper (in his twisted way); 3) increasing his power so he can control the world; 4) proving that he smarter than Reed. In this movie, there is no mention of his mother, you never see Latveria, he wants to destroy the world and move on, and he dislikes Reed, not because of his intelligence, but because he is jealous of Sue. WTF. Victor whines about the government destroying the planet. Sue says, "Look at Dr. Doom here". That line was probably filmed before the studio changed Victor Van Damme back to Victor Von Doom. Johnny Storm is introduced in street race. He says two lines, "You promise me we'll still be cool after I dust your ." and "bye bye" then crashes his car. A quick cut to Johnny and his Dad coming out of the hospital and Johnny has a broken arm. Franklin yells at him and says he has the I.Q. to reach his full potential. So basically Reed, Sue, and Johnny are geniuses. Johnny must have a mutant healing factor because his broken arm is never mentioned again. They build the transporter and the government stooges come in. The test works and the officials tell the group that it will go to NASA now to coordinate going to another planet. Totally reasonable next step. Victor gets mad and gives the official his middle finger. Let me repeat that, the dignified royal Dr. Doom gives the bird. So painful. Reed, Victor and Johnny get drunk, they decided to go to the planet on their own (leaving out Sue?) Reed calls Ben and tells him to come on down to the lab so he can go to another planet also. Ben not being drunk, of course agrees. They make it to Planet Zero (Not the Negative Zone - it has no creatures, just rocks and green energy goo). They decide to climb down a mountain to investigate. Johnny being the daredevil, gets scared and stays behind. Doom touches the goo, which starts a chain reaction of exploding goo. Victor doesn't make it and falls back into the goo. Sue brings the other 3 back. Sue apparently gets zapped by goo somehow, but it isn't shown on screen, which is really odd. A cut and the 4 are locked up in government facility. They show the "horror" of their powers. Reed hears Ben calling out to him and makes his way to Ben's cell. Ben asks for Reeds help, but Reed takes off and leaves him there when the alarm sounds. The real Reed would then use his mind to get his friends out ASAP. I kept expecting that to be the case. Turns out he just runs and hides for a year and is depressed. Ben gets pissed and makes a deal with the government, to be a soldier for them in exchange for a cure. A year passes in a cut, and Ben has been busy killing people for the military. On the last mission alone, he killed 43 people. Yes, the Ever-Lovin' Blue-Eyed Thing, is a mass-murderer. The Thing, who goes to the park and juggles laughing kids - yes that Thing. Sue betrays Reed and locates him for the government. Her motive is that Reed needs to send people back to Planet Zero so the four can be cured. Of course, there is no explanation on what would be accomplished by going back there, except for giving the government access to make more super-soldiers. Reed fixes the machine and they send a second team to the planet who finds Victor and brings him back. Victor's skin has turned to metal, which worked so well in the Tim Story movies, they decided to do it again. Victor then "Scanners" kills the base soldiers and Franklin Richards. Doom just wants to get back to Planet Zero so he can create a world of 1. If so, why the hell did he come back to Earth when he was already there?!?! Cheesy quick battle ensues, Ben throws one punch, Doom is disintegrated. The government gives them a billion dollar facility and they name themselves the Fantastic Four. Zero Stars

Just got through watching it. What a piece of garbage from beginning to end. I'll write a full review tomorrow if I can stop retching.

I just had a crazy thought: Josh Trank did say he had a comic collection. What if he is a huge FF fan and decided to make the worst adaptation possible to force Fox to sell the rights back to Marvel? What a sad, tragic, and heroic tale that would be. He knew he was going to take massive heat but decided to suffer in silence for the good of us all. Now that is a story that needs to be turned into a movie.

How about they pull their heads out of their asses and do a proper Fantastic Four movie first. And why would you have to use the horrible Ultimate FF as the base? There's no problem with the Marvel Zombie universe being alternate to the main storyline.

Indeed, sticking to the source material, the original costumes, etc. is a key lesson learned. But this movie failed epically for reasons well beyond deviation from the iconic Lee/Kirby mythology. There is a story behind the movie that at some point will be told in clear detail. Based on the rumours about Trank over the last 12 months, the reshooting that took place in the Spring, and what -- based on what many of the critics have been pointing out -- appears to have been a completely redone/reworked final 25% of the film -- which perhaps suggests that Fox Studios didn't like the original director's cut that maybe lacked sufficient action (?) -- this was a production and -script train wreck that Fox Studios and the film's producers are as much responsible for as anyone. I'm not defending Mr. Trank, but I'm sure if he could speak freely about WTF happened, we would hear an interesting side of the story. you seriously think if the costumes were more similar to the originals that would have had ANY impact on the reviews or the box office? How many people 18-49 in America do you think have read Fantastic Four 1-5. 10K? What percent of movie critics do you think have read Fantastic Four 1-5? A marginally higher percentage than the general population? I know I haven't, and I like comics. A LOT. The movie didn't fail because the ideas because the ideas weren't true to the original, it failed because the ideas were bad. How similar was Cap 2 to anything we've read? Or Spider-Man 1, or the good X-men movies? You take the ideas and assemble and add things in a way that makes things fun and relevant and entertaining, hopefully. That doesn't mean there isn't a good TRUE movie out there to be told, just that I wouldn't count on the lesson learned from this to be 'stay true to the source material'. Obviously nothing is a direct link to comic, but are you telling me you can't see the difference between Captain America in the Marvel movies and Dr. Doom in the Fox movies? Seriously? Sure, the majority of the audience of the movies doesn't read comics, but if you burn down the characters look and personalities, a not-so insignificant chunk of comic movie-goers will hate the idea and possibly not attend. Not going to happen again after this debacle.

No, that's not it. The first effort was low-budget and pre-CGI; you get what you pay. The second effort was lazy (rubber Thing suit; Galactus-as-a-cloud) and miscast (bubble-bleach-blond playing Sue Storm; hyper Reed Richards; metrosexual version of Victor Von Doom with trimmed eyebrows). This third effort, based on the 8 or so reviews that I have read on RT, point to two problems: a bland -script and a director who was in over his head. (Fox thought Trank was the next Steven Spielberg, gambled and lost.) If GOTG can be one of the greatest super-hero films ever made, FF -- done correctly -- can be an outstanding franchise. At this point there is no doubt Fox will pull the plug on any sequel plans involving the current iteration. The real question is whether Fox will throw in the towel and work out some deal with Marvel Studios. I sort of disagree. I think the FF have aged really poorly. In the 60s, they were groundbreaking. They were the glue that held the universe together. Into the Byrne era, that was still partly true. Since then, we've seen a book that has never maintained sales and their role in the universe has dwindled to the point that their own book was cancelled. The elements that made the FF so great in the 60s were applied to everything. Now they just aren't unique and storylines and characters in The Avengers can serve the main purpose. I honestly think the FF just don't reach the same level of interest and haven't in a long time. Personally, the thing to do in my mind is make them part of the larger universe. Use Reed as the scientist and expert going into the Infinity Gauntlet. Bring Skrulls and Galactus into the Avengers universe. I'd also play up Sue Storm. Marvel has been criticized for being sexist- Sue is the perfect catalyst to that idea. That is all dependent on Marvel getting the rights back or Fox making a Spidey like deal with Marvel. I can't disagree with you more. If way back, Marvel had sold the rights to Avengers instead of FF, Fox and Tim Story would have made horrible Avengers movies and Marvel would have made epic FF movies. Real Galactus, real Dr. Doom, Inhumans, and on and on. Trank would have cast teenagers in a reboot for the final Avengers bomb movie and your paragraph above would be saying the exact opposite. I think you're right if the situation had been flipped, but I still think the FF have been a declining property since Byrne left. When was the last time the book was in the top 25 outside of a number 1? Maybe the Millar/Hitch run that lasted a dozen issues. Even during Hickman's run I don't think the book sold all that well. Marvel has been dominated by X-Men and Avengers since the early 90s with spurts of successful Spidey runs here and there. FF have been intricate part of events, but outside of that, they don't really dominate the universe or sales. X-Men yes. Spidey yes. Avengers - their enhanced recent popularity stems directly from the success of the films. If the films were reversed, the popularity of the books would likely be reversed as well. The quality of recent FF runs is very high.

No, that's not it. The first effort was low-budget and pre-CGI; you get what you pay. The second effort was lazy (rubber Thing suit; Galactus-as-a-cloud) and miscast (bubble-bleach-blond playing Sue Storm; hyper Reed Richards; metrosexual version of Victor Von Doom with trimmed eyebrows). This third effort, based on the 8 or so reviews that I have read on RT, point to two problems: a bland -script and a director who was in over his head. (Fox thought Trank was the next Steven Spielberg, gambled and lost.) If GOTG can be one of the greatest super-hero films ever made, FF -- done correctly -- can be an outstanding franchise. At this point there is no doubt Fox will pull the plug on any sequel plans involving the current iteration. The real question is whether Fox will throw in the towel and work out some deal with Marvel Studios. I sort of disagree. I think the FF have aged really poorly. In the 60s, they were groundbreaking. They were the glue that held the universe together. Into the Byrne era, that was still partly true. Since then, we've seen a book that has never maintained sales and their role in the universe has dwindled to the point that their own book was cancelled. The elements that made the FF so great in the 60s were applied to everything. Now they just aren't unique and storylines and characters in The Avengers can serve the main purpose. I honestly think the FF just don't reach the same level of interest and haven't in a long time. Personally, the thing to do in my mind is make them part of the larger universe. Use Reed as the scientist and expert going into the Infinity Gauntlet. Bring Skrulls and Galactus into the Avengers universe. I'd also play up Sue Storm. Marvel has been criticized for being sexist- Sue is the perfect catalyst to that idea. That is all dependent on Marvel getting the rights back or Fox making a Spidey like deal with Marvel. I can't disagree with you more. If way back, Marvel had sold the rights to Avengers instead of FF, Fox and Tim Story would have made horrible Avengers movies and Marvel would have made epic FF movies. Real Galactus, real Dr. Doom, Inhumans, and on and on. Trank would have cast teenagers in a reboot for the final Avengers bomb movie and your paragraph above would be saying the exact opposite.

Nice!

Nope it's not because it is Fox. It's because of the choices made by Fox and the director. I'd actually prefer it if Fox could get it right (or even better - cooperate with Marvel) then it going back fully to Marvel, since there would be more comic movies to watch. The reason that people have so much hate is simple, they perverted something cherished. I think even for the average comic fan (non-die hard FF), the original storyline/characters are something sacred, mainly because of Lee/Kirby and the fact that it was first. You can change it up a little bit to have it make sense on the screen, but they went way too far.

So you are saying if it completely tanks in the U.S., it can still make $400M worldwide. I guess that means whoever has never heard of the FF will go see it. I'll skip why you seem to think that is a good thing, but you mean to tell me that a handful of "FF nerds" can completely take down the domestic box office? There are millions of casual comic/pop culture fans out there that know a little bit about the FF - they go to comic cons, watch the movies/cartoons, talk to hard core collectors, and maybe even read the books. And I would guess that most of them have heard a little something about how this movie is not true to the original. I guess we'll see what they have to say this week.

Chronicle was good. I seen it twice. Put it in the Kick- 1 movie category. Back to Josh Trank now. It`s a huge red flag when the Star Wars guys parted with him. A huge Red Flag. Who would turn down Star Wars after being hired for it? Maybe Trank tried to change Star Wars like he did FF,but the Star Wars guys told him to take a hike? The real reason was that Trank was pushing for Michael B. Jordan to play a young Han Solo.

The first Fantastic Four movie was a financial success, making over three times budget which is why a sequel was approved. And even with any 'low result' Fox movie, they did better than The Incredible Hulk's 1.8X results. Origins did just as well as Captain America: The First Avenger, and that movie was a missed opportunity throughout. Fox have a $3.1 billion franchise that only cost it $1 billion to create is most probably why they won't let go of the X-Universe Franchise. I don't understand, you're saying this is all about money? That people make these movies to make money and not to cater to old fanboys preferred interpretations which retell stories from the 1960's? And that they keep doing it in order to make money, even though in some/many cases they're not putting out the best possible product? But what about the 300 white dudes who are 60 years old who have been collecting Fantastic Four since the beginning? What if they don't come to see the movie?? I have no idea if the movie will be good, the trailers honestly haven't appealed to me that much. BUT I do think that Michael B Jordan takes his roles seriously, and probably wouldn't be in it just to be in it if he didn't like the -script. Sounds like a fantastic movie executive. Exec: "Profits go up .003% if Bruce Wayne is a delivery boy instead of a rich billionaire. Let's do it!" Batman Fans: "That's ridiculous!" Exec: "Stop complaining. You think we make movies for you, we make them for profit!".