WernerVonDoom

I owe George Lucas the biggest apology ever.

Yes, in my top 5 also! I'm so jealous!

I can sum up my feelings with Disney's purchase in two pictures:

The Flash is a fun show, but the Council of Reeds is way cooler.

Nice pages you have there!

Thanks for all of the great (and surprising) info. Yeah, my camera isn't the best, here is another shot. In person, surfer is clear, but I mainly bought the page because of the really cool moment in the story.

Hi all, i don't really follow original art prices and was wondering if anyone has a ballpark estimate of the value of this page from Silver Surfer #50. This is the lead-in to Infinity Gauntlet #1. Silver Surfer crashes through Dr. Strange's window to warn everyone. It's for insurance, not to sell. Thanks.

While I agree with you for the most part, this was a bad example. Sticking exactly to the source material, even with Stan's corny dialog, would have been 1000x better than this turd. As long as they get the core of the characters correct, variations of details don't bother me that much. Example: The Thing is not a murdering mercenary. No, just no.

Your picture frame set gallery might be the best in the registry. So cool.

Just four left?! That's absolutely incredible!

You know you have a problem when you find this in a shipping box while cleaning and you didn't even remember owning it.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens doubled FF's entire domestic gross on opening day.

On Thursday, FF took in $190 per theater. Ricky and the Flash, with Meryl Streep as a "hard-rocking guitarist", took in $279 per theater. They've been out the same amount of time.

Money is always the play. X-Men TV rights are worth money. Keeping the rights away from Marvel is worth money. Fox's future FF profits and Marvel's future FF profits are worth a dollar amount (not the same). With the situation as it is now, it seems like there is a deal to be made were both sides make a profit (whether it is cash, or cash/rights exchange).

8/13/15: $1,412,097 8/12/15: $1,665,804 8/11/15: $2,935,121 8/10/15: $2,262,459 8/09/15: $5,825,044 8/08/15: $8,577,825 8/07/15: $11,282,868 I'm not sure how they forecasted an $11 MM weekend when the past few days haven't even added up to $8.3 MM. Yeah time to sell to Marvel and hope that what they are willing to pay doesn't plummet. It might be worth it for these studios (Fox and Sony) to keep the license just to prevent Marvel/Disney from using the properties. Remember, if Marvel/Disney gets these properties and puts out a blockbuster, that is money the other studios don't see by way of lost ticket sales on their offerings. Now what I can see is these studios "loaning" these characters back to Marvel/Disney for a cut of the profits. It would be silly for any of these studios to let Marvel/Disney get these characters back. I'll bet the studios who lost Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and some of Marvel's lesser known characters wish they had hung onto them. It comes down to what Disney/Marvel is willing to pay to get the rights back. The price will never be lower than it is right now. Fox is about to lose a ton on this last one ($100M?), I'm sure they would like that back and then some. Whatever Marvel pays they would make back in the long run, more than Fox would make, that is for sure.

Thanks kind of like Shredder with the TMNT. They've got plenty of villains, but Shredder always gets crammed into the mix. seriously, screw doom v FF, I'd loooovvvee to see a doom v mephisto for the soul of his mom. No origin story needed. He's just the king of Latveria, he wears a mask, he's got some science and magic powers, he's mostly evil but also mostly cares about his people, and he wants to effff up mephisto....anndddd go! Doom is a very interesting character. While he's a villain to the F4,he does help them out when things get really bad. He's neither hero or villain,he mainly helps when it benefits him. He also wants to prove that he's better scientist than Mr.Fantastic,and in some cases he is. I would love to see a team up with Dr.Strange and Dr.Doom battling Mephisto. I think we are all in agreement. The first part is awesome as well. Selection of the new Sorcerer Supreme and it comes down to Strange and Doom.

1) Too toxic right now for even Disney. 2)Enuff Doom for now. Maybe Psycho Man/Wasp cameo in Ant-Man 2 ? 3)Nope. Too much will be going on at it is. 4) Maybe Galactus cameo at end of Thor 3 ? 1) Nothing better than buying low. 2) Psycho Man/Wasp - Not bad. I still think fans would go crazy for a real Dr. Doom movie even if it came out next month. 3) Yeah. I'd love to see them in it though (along with Doom). 4) Any post-credit scene with Galactus would be epic.

I doubt this could happen, but here is a possible way to salvage FF: 1. Ideally, Marvel/Disney realizes the price for FF will never be lower than today, and offers Fox a deal they can't refuse. 2. Since no one could stomach an FF reboot any time soon, Marvel starts with either a solo Dr. Doom movie or Dr. Strange 2 with Dr. Doom. Victor's mother being damned, growing up in Latveria, college meeting Reed and Ben, becoming Doom, then rescuing his mother with the help of Dr. Strange (just like in the great Doom/Strange graphic novel). 3. FF guest stars in the Infinity Gauntlet movies. 4. Then full on Galactus story in their own movie.

The space race and the 'Commie scare' were real things, though. I know it was real (I heard about it in my history class ) , but if you are telling a modern tale it doesnt work. Captain America set in 1940 worked, right? That's what I meant by time piece. Set it back 60 years and film it like Mad Men (as I heard another boardie say in the WC). we're on the same side of the table on this. If Fox had decided to do a 60s version of the FF, they could have held more closely to the Lee/Kirby story and used it as a blueprint. I dont know if it would have been good, but it certainly would have been interesting. Fox decided they wanted to be young and modern and threw it all out the window... A period piece would be pretty cool. However, I think you can get very close to the real origin story today. Reed owns a private space flight company and on the maiden flight for passengers, he takes up his wife, brother-in-law and pilot best friend. Reed uses the flight to run one of his experiments, something happens, they get turned into the FF and the ship crashes to earth. Done. No need for everyone to be a genius and you still get Reed turning his friend into a monster.

Oh... My... God... Oh my God x 2 Can someone explain to me how that works? I mean how did he survive? Did he have a job, forage for food in the wild? Was that ever addressed. It looked like he was hiding out in a shack in Mexico.

You're right. It ended up being a synopsis. There was too much painful material to document.

I like that they come to the realization that the target audience is kids comic fans horror fans general audiences no one. It is sad though. Since they don't know much about the comics, and get their info from all of these debacles, they can't see how to make a good FF movie.

Here is my full spoiler review Warning, Spoiler: The movie opens in a classroom and the purpose of the scene is to show how smart Reed is as a child and that Ben was in his class. The classroom is dingy, the kids and the teacher make fun of Reed for his crazy ideas. 15 seconds in, and I knew I wasn't watching a FF movie. The FF always celebrates science and intelligence. If this was in a real FF movie, the room would be bright, the teacher would be an arrogant sub who calls on Reed, and all the other kids are smiling because they know Reed is going to put him in his place (not in a vengeful way, but in a here are the "real facts" way). The initial intro to Ben is fine, he doesn't say anything, but is intrigued by Reed. Unfortunately it cuts now to Ben's home life, and his abusive brother smacks him HARD across the head and says, "It's Clobbering Time!". The Thing's fun catchphrase has now been linked to child abuse. Having young actors is tough, and they seemed to do a fine job except when given lines a child would never say like Reed's first words to Ben, "Don't kill me!" Being super-smart I guess makes you jump to the worst-case scenario, or in this bleak Ultimate FF world, people get routinely murdered for petty theft. Then a little later, Reed teleports a toy car. Instead of a normal kid's reaction, "Wow, that's cool!!!!", we get a quiet, "Reed you are insane". No one is allowed to have any fun in this movie. The film jumps 7 years to a high school science fair. It must be a small school that goes from K-12th grade, because Reed's 5th grade teacher is there judging the contest (not to mention there are actual 5th graders that Reed is competing against). The experiment works, but for some inexplicable reason it shatters a basketball backboard. No one seems to be concerned that if the wave had been aimed lower, it would have killed a bunch of kids. Franklin Richards and Sue suddenly appear at the science show with no explanation why they are there, I guess they are scouting talent at this odd K-12 school in the poorer part of town. Or maybe they saw the list of upcoming school science projects that every school announces in advance. Anyway, they basically say, "wow, your experiment is exactly what we are working on, what a coincidence, we would like to give you a full scholarship." in about 30 seconds of screen time. Fast forward again to the Baxter Foundation, and Reeds talks to Sue in the library. They discuss the music Sue is listening to and she blurts out "Pattern Recognition", like a slightly functioning autistic savant. That's how the character is played throughout the entire movie. You couldn't be farther from Sue Storm if you tried. Dr. Doom is introduced as a moping emo recluse who only agrees to return to the project because Sue will be there. Dr. Doom is in love with Sue in this mess. In the real FF, Dr. Doom's motivations are 1) finding a way to save his damned mother; 2) making Latveria prosper (in his twisted way); 3) increasing his power so he can control the world; 4) proving that he smarter than Reed. In this movie, there is no mention of his mother, you never see Latveria, he wants to destroy the world and move on, and he dislikes Reed, not because of his intelligence, but because he is jealous of Sue. WTF. Victor whines about the government destroying the planet. Sue says, "Look at Dr. Doom here". That line was probably filmed before the studio changed Victor Van Damme back to Victor Von Doom. Johnny Storm is introduced in street race. He says two lines, "You promise me we'll still be cool after I dust your ." and "bye bye" then crashes his car. A quick cut to Johnny and his Dad coming out of the hospital and Johnny has a broken arm. Franklin yells at him and says he has the I.Q. to reach his full potential. So basically Reed, Sue, and Johnny are geniuses. Johnny must have a mutant healing factor because his broken arm is never mentioned again. They build the transporter and the government stooges come in. The test works and the officials tell the group that it will go to NASA now to coordinate going to another planet. Totally reasonable next step. Victor gets mad and gives the official his middle finger. Let me repeat that, the dignified royal Dr. Doom gives the bird. So painful. Reed, Victor and Johnny get drunk, they decided to go to the planet on their own (leaving out Sue?) Reed calls Ben and tells him to come on down to the lab so he can go to another planet also. Ben not being drunk, of course agrees. They make it to Planet Zero (Not the Negative Zone - it has no creatures, just rocks and green energy goo). They decide to climb down a mountain to investigate. Johnny being the daredevil, gets scared and stays behind. Doom touches the goo, which starts a chain reaction of exploding goo. Victor doesn't make it and falls back into the goo. Sue brings the other 3 back. Sue apparently gets zapped by goo somehow, but it isn't shown on screen, which is really odd. A cut and the 4 are locked up in government facility. They show the "horror" of their powers. Reed hears Ben calling out to him and makes his way to Ben's cell. Ben asks for Reeds help, but Reed takes off and leaves him there when the alarm sounds. The real Reed would then use his mind to get his friends out ASAP. I kept expecting that to be the case. Turns out he just runs and hides for a year and is depressed. Ben gets pissed and makes a deal with the government, to be a soldier for them in exchange for a cure. A year passes in a cut, and Ben has been busy killing people for the military. On the last mission alone, he killed 43 people. Yes, the Ever-Lovin' Blue-Eyed Thing, is a mass-murderer. The Thing, who goes to the park and juggles laughing kids - yes that Thing. Sue betrays Reed and locates him for the government. Her motive is that Reed needs to send people back to Planet Zero so the four can be cured. Of course, there is no explanation on what would be accomplished by going back there, except for giving the government access to make more super-soldiers. Reed fixes the machine and they send a second team to the planet who finds Victor and brings him back. Victor's skin has turned to metal, which worked so well in the Tim Story movies, they decided to do it again. Victor then "Scanners" kills the base soldiers and Franklin Richards. Doom just wants to get back to Planet Zero so he can create a world of 1. If so, why the hell did he come back to Earth when he was already there?!?! Cheesy quick battle ensues, Ben throws one punch, Doom is disintegrated. The government gives them a billion dollar facility and they name themselves the Fantastic Four. Zero Stars

Just got through watching it. What a piece of garbage from beginning to end. I'll write a full review tomorrow if I can stop retching.

I just had a crazy thought: Josh Trank did say he had a comic collection. What if he is a huge FF fan and decided to make the worst adaptation possible to force Fox to sell the rights back to Marvel? What a sad, tragic, and heroic tale that would be. He knew he was going to take massive heat but decided to suffer in silence for the good of us all. Now that is a story that needs to be turned into a movie.