NinjaSealed

There is market for them for sure. You can recoup most of your money and some even sell for a premium to msrp.

i need a Mazz DD born again if you have one!

Tracking bids in.

Nice to see so many Kirby pieces up at auction again.

I would give them benefit of the doubt for now since the auction has yet to start(and I’m sure once someone from clink reads this thread they will add it to the description.) They obviously should be disclosing the overlay is added after the fact.

21 minutes ago, lobrac said:

And this just happened (now $20K OBO):

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SANDMAN-Original-Comic-Art-Issue-12-Page-22-SIGNED-by-Neil-Gaiman/162870570421?hash=item25ebd7adb5:g:n34AAOSwp-RaaloQ

Made on offer so he would more than double up but declined.

I don't know what is crazier, the initial steal of a deal, or the DB markup level.

3 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

My original thought was at least triple the BIN. 

Listings like that still boggle my mind especially when it comes to higher desirability pieces. The seller obviously understood the piece has value, and literally a few minutes of googling  and you would realize it was worth far more. 

3 hours ago, comix4fun said:

Bachalo, A Doll's House, Nice big Morpheus panel....

It's at least double this.....probably more (almost certainly more). 

Given that a sketch of Morpheus inside a hardcover collection of "A Doll's House" will bring $300-400 easily, the original was pretty severely under-priced. 

I'm thinking $4k-6k, probably the upper end. I know myself I would personally need to think abut 1 second to buy it at $4k. Very memorable scene.

5 hours ago, Skizz said:

But the appreciation for a classic is a logical response to the having an understanding of history/tradition, which is less powerful than the emotional response that is created by nostalia.

 

Price wise this is exactly the opposite in the long term. Nostalgia/hype fade with time, but historical importance is forever. If DK prices drop, it won't be from a lack of fans of the story, but a lack of buyers of comic art altogether. 

Figured this interview would happen eventually. As a collector whose primary focus is BA-MA Batman(I love a good Neal Adams piece just as much as a good Jock) it has been interesting watching the prices of very new stuff skyrocket. It's great and I love it, but it makes a lot of the older stuff, that is much more significant/character defining look like a bargain. When I am deciding between two pieces, all things being equal I always opt for the more vintage piece. I am interested to see what happens to the market over the next decade or so. I expect some stuff to crater(White Knight) while other to do well.

As far as anything being the next Dark Knight, impossible. If we are specifically referring to Batman, the character has been completely defined already. You can tell great stories, but they aren't going to change the character.Heck,  Joker has actually been over-defined. If we are talking about genre defining, there is a possibility something will come along, but I don't know if the base is big enough for it to even occur. The game changers "storytelling" today is on youtube, not sequential art.

Finally I am glad you brought up Leslie Hung as the "new" era. The 40+ male American comic book fans are a very insular bunch. while the American market may never produce another DKR, the Japanese manga creators appear to create a new one every decade. As the Mangaka influence spreads across the world, you may very well be right.

The poor DB's.....people keep on selling them touched up art, sketches as alternative covers and outright fakes. They have such bad luck when it comes to that stuff.

9 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

That piece has been utterly defaced and destroyed. 

Fricken Philistines playing Mad Scientist in their hidden volcano lair rendering unique pieces of art permanently ruined. 

 

Yup, it maddens me infinitely more when it is a piece that I love, bid on and wasn't too far off the winning bid(like this piece.)

5 hours ago, ESeffinga said:

After seeing the whole thing, I can say it's nothing that folks that follow just about any art market fairly closely hasn't already surmised for themselves, but it is interesting hearing some of the major "fine art" players put it into their own words. I wish they'd delved a bit deeper in the topic, but then as they sort of get at... transparency is something many players in the art market are trying to avoid for obvious reasons. Digging deeper would have been really fascinating, but highly unlikely. In truth, I was surprised at how candid some of the folks interviewed actually were.

 

I just wish there'd been more to it. I suppose for someone who isn't already deeply familiar with the inner workings of the art market, it might have been more revealing. I'd say it is great for folks just getting into art of any kind. There are economies of scale at play, but scale down millions into thousands, and many of the viewpoints expressed in the doc are very applicable to comic art.

 

 

Watched it this morning as I become snowed in. At some points it felt exactly like the quarterly OA market thread that pops up here but with different artists, auction houses and collectors.

I think new Batman art is still in constant demand just because he is one of the very few big 2 characters that still have a shred of continuity left to the story, and has had consistent talent dedicated to his books. What is the last highly desirable run of Spidey OA?  The big 2 have just destroyed so many of their characters so few collectors care to collect new art. They would rather go with the vintage art/stories that mattered.

Big name artists can pull good prices with a wide variety of subjects, but most artists can achieve decent prices/demand if they can just get a gig on Batman. 

Finished up the podcast this morning.

First off I think Andy might be my favorite collector guest. Second does DWJ realize what a beast he is? He comes off as ridiculously humble. Finally kudos to Nick for bringing up the heritage podcast. For myself as well what I heard in it was very concerning and I think it should be talked about more so people realize the full scope of what goes on.

On December 8, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Comic Art Factory said:

 

I'm baffled by the way CBR and other websites seem to enjoy the book. I've seen them much more lucid that that for most of the books they review. 

 

So I finally got to read the first 3 issues this weekend, and as harsh as you were your post mirrors my thoughts. Most of the art is very good, but there are some wonky things here and there. (So many great artists absolutely butcher drawing killer Croc.)

The storytelling however is awful. I understand it is out of continuity, but the way the characters are randomly inserted with back stories apparently completely different from canon is bad. I have no idea how someone could think this is good. It is glaring when he tries to copy writing techniques from Miller and Synder and fails miserably. 

2 Harley's? People think this "Neo Joker" is an original and awesome character? It is amazing how he has made people buy into the hype. This guy in the story isn't even The Joker, just a character loosely based on him.

11 hours ago, delekkerste said:

 

I'm not super-fanatical about tracking WD OA prices, but, these strike me as being pretty healthy considering the absence of James J (the seller) from the bidding process.  I think a lot of people, for example, expected the #1 splash to sell for a lot less this time around (it obviously did not).  

Among the more run-of-the-mill pages, there were deals to be had, IMO - prices were certainly lower on a number of them than one would have expected on eBay or at a dealer prior to the announcement of this collection liquidation. 

Ok, that's how I saw it as well. The A level pieces did well, and I thought some of the 3 figure pages were steals, selling in many cases for less than half what I expected. I would have bid on a bunch of them had I realized they would go for those prices. I was running around like a chicken with my head cut off at work so couldn't pay attention to the auction while lots were closing.

So TWD market experts I'm curious, how were the prices on TWD art? At market?

29 minutes ago, stinkininkin said:

I thought with a few exceptions, prices were a little on the light side this auction. I was talking to some friends last night, and while the best stuff will always do very well no matter the timing, the rest struggles a little more late in the year around the holidays.  Probably a good time to be a buyer for anything less that prime A grade material, but not so great for a seller.  Anyone have anecdotal or direct evidence to support this theory?

Scott

My thoughts exactly prices were slightly low for the good stuff, the best stuff almost always does well.

Every year I tell myself to save a bunch of money for auctions that fall after thanksgiving and before new years(I have yet to be successful). Year in year out the best auction deals of the year can be had around this time.

I had the Batman Jones cover pegged at $22k max. Big premium on it in the result due to it being one of the better Knightfall covers and a Batman vs. Joker fight cover. I wanted it, but the thing that killed it for me the most was the background. The other thing  with Batman art is at that price range you can get some VERY nice stuff.

First 43 lots end today. Does the McFarlane Spidey/Venom page have any more bids left in it?

This will be an easy one for me as there is only 1 item I want, and already know exactly what I am willing to spend on it. It hasn't not went over that number yet so I'm still in the hunt!

No one single piece I hold above all other, but out of pieces I may kill for I am sure this one will never happen.

A couple thoughts after browsing the lots again;

- The McFarlane Venom page would be interesting. Early Venom pages from a few artists have been going nuts recently. This one may end at a jaw dropping price.

- The Kelley Jones Batman cover will be interesting. I thought before the auction the fact that it is a Knightfall cover AND a Batman vs Joker cover may really result in a slugfest.

-Has there been any recent auctions with this much quality Neal Adams work? GL pages, Batman pages Joker pages, Deadman, a Tec cover and more.

- 32 Kirby's in the auction and many should be affordable. I really love the OMAC pages.

- Wonderful selection of pretty Mignola pieces. Several nice Hellboy's.

To me this auction just has a wide great selection of material, really something for everyone.

This auction probably has the most pieces in my wheelhouse out of all the auctions this year. Hoping to take a few lots home.

1 hour ago, Bronty said:

I think you'd get 20-50+ for certain pages.    So yeah, 10 each.    Pull out the book and look at the pages.   There are some show stoppers in it.

I think they would average even higher, not only the key art but also probably the best art from TMNT as a property. #1 really is artistically killer. 

9 minutes ago, malvin said:

True, and I won a couple of things 

But in general these are lower end items, even compared to other focused auctions

Malvin 

This is one of the lower tier auctions I have seen recently for sure. I won something early, so now I have to find a few more things to spread around the shipping