Lunchbox-migration

Why not? There you go big guy.

You've never heard me speak in your life. You'd love my accent. Latah!

Are you saying that you'd rather have letters than numbers represent the grades? No, I'd have both, like CGC used to. Why? (Obvious question) So obvious, in fact, there's no need to take the bait. It's obvious now that you think I'm baiting you but I'm not. You likely think so because that is the way you have discussions with people. With people like you, you mean. Go ask someone like Sha if this is how I have discussions with her. I believe I specifically said I'd have both numbers and letters on the label? Are you using a Senko rigged wacky style or a jig here? Did you mean Alpha here?

It's not heresy. It's simply not reality. There is an obvious visual difference between 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6 and 9.8. ..... Important note to myself: Never buy high grade books from anyone that thinks there isn't a need for a two point system above 9.0 How would my scale be any different? Two ways: get rid of the Gem Mint B.S label, Mint is fine, and I'd get rid of the split grades. Obviously accepting the removal of split grades would be the big problem. But if you were to accept it, nothing much else would change. You'd still have NM+ (9.6), NM (9.4) and NM- (9.2). They just wouldn't be actual tenths of grades anymore, they'd be regular ("lower") grades. But they're still basically the same thing. Your scale is fine till you get to higher grades (9.0) and at that point there is a need (at least in my opinion) for a finer division of grades. It doesn't really matter what you call them. You can change it to "Ripe" "Just right" or "Butt ugly". You can stand back and say how far do you think that is? Someone might say "about a yard". Get a little closer and it might be "two and half feet plus or minus" and so on, but as it gets more refined it's going to get down to "Two feet seven and 7/8"" Of course if it's something that can be measured more precisely it should be. That's where I'll give Bookery some credit. It's a paper product. The scale should only be so fine. Once there was a 100 point system. It was way to fine for comic books, but to say there should only be three grade points in the higher end is not logical. It is finer than that and physically measurable. Good post. I don't totally agree, but that's... okay.

Are you saying that you'd rather have letters than numbers represent the grades? No, I'd have both, like CGC used to. Why? (Obvious question) So obvious, in fact, there's no need to take the bait.

Are you saying that you'd rather have letters than numbers represent the grades? No, I'd have both, like CGC used to.

It's not heresy. It's simply not reality. There is an obvious visual difference between 9.0, 9.2, 9.4, 9.6 and 9.8. ..... Important note to myself: Never buy high grade books from anyone that thinks there isn't a need for a two point system above 9.0 How would my scale be any different? Two ways: get rid of the Gem Mint B.S label, Mint is fine, and I'd get rid of the split grades. Obviously accepting the removal of split grades would be the big problem. But if you were to accept it, nothing much else would change. You'd still have NM+ (9.6), NM (9.4) and NM- (9.2). They just wouldn't be actual tenths of grades anymore, they'd be regular ("lower") grades. But they're still basically the same thing.

I'm guessing you don't own any Wizard First slabs?

It's obvious a real 10 point system (20 point system) doesn't really work for CGC, as they had to manipulate it to fit their business model and add 5 more grades. The tenths of a point you mention, the awkward 1.8 grade crowbarred in, and the ignoring of the lower grades (Fair+ is a real grade folks) are a few examples. My problem is also with split grades, and using them in conjunction with the "+/-" grades. Split grades were invented in the 90s by dealers who either a) couldn't grade that well or b) were trying to get more for a book than it was worth. Every time I saw a "VF/NM" grade in CBG I'd laugh. There is (was) no grade between VF+ and NM-. If you can't decide if a book is a NM- or a VF+, it's a VF+. Before CGC, if you bought a book that was VF/NM, it was usually closer to VF(+) than NM(-), no? Yes. Just another way for a dealer to "hype" his book by getting the term "NM" into the grade somewhere/somehow. I'd much rather have a 20 point system like this: 10.0 Mint 9.5 NM+ 9.0 NM 8.5 NM- 8.0 VF+ 7.5 VF 7.0 VF- 6.5 Fine+ 6.0 Fine 5.5 Fine- 5.0 Very Good+ 4.5 Very Good 4.0 Very Good - 3.5 Good + 3.0 Good 2.5 Good- 2.0 Fair+ 1.5 Fair 1.0 Fair- 0.5 Poor Makes much more sense to me, but then again, I'm a collector and don't profit at all from selling any comic-related product.

Only because they were stupid. Yes, multiple instances of solid 'shilling' evidence by a major hobby player is stupid. Yes, stupid. Your moral compass is wound too loosely. compass' get wound? u don't know bedrock very well, do you? You don't know that post was a parody of Matt Nelson's classic "your moral compass is wound too tight" do you?

Only because they were stupid. Yes, multiple instances of solid 'shilling' evidence by a major hobby player is stupid. Yes, stupid. Your moral compass is wound too loosely.

Confirmed on these Boards by Halperin himself: "My partner Steve Ivy and I own a minority position in CGC -- entirely non-voting stock." http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=34395&Number=625815

And when is lou_fine going to show up? This thread is tailor-made for him!

We all know Doug had them. And, as I said, the assumption is that they were pressed. But Masterchief's chart offers no definitive proof of which specific ones were pressed or unpressed. It only shows the before and after grades. And a large percentage of the grades did not change. So, again, what purpose does it really serve other than to show that Doug resubmitted those books? If CGC hadn't nuked the relevant threads, you'd be able to put this info into a better/larger context. We both read those threads. Why don't you put it into a better/larger context for the newbs? Heck, I'd love to see what better/larger context it could be put into. Yes, let me summarize a thread that went for months and contained huge amounts of data and hours of hard work into a nice little one-post package for you. As I mentioned, I could do what you ask if CGC hadn't nuked the threads.

We all know Doug had them. And, as I said, the assumption is that they were pressed. But Masterchief's chart offers no definitive proof of which specific ones were pressed or unpressed. It only shows the before and after grades. And a large percentage of the grades did not change. So, again, what purpose does it really serve other than to show that Doug resubmitted those books? If CGC hadn't nuked the relevant threads, you'd be able to put this info into a better/larger context.

Some of us are angry because this thread is being hijacked into a pressing thread. Pressing is not the problem. It's a conflict of interest. Is it? I'm conflicted. I would much rather talk about the 7 month grading back up. I currently have a submission from June 6th which is not even scheduled for grading yet. No wonder they couldn't afford another encapulation machine! They were saving up for a pressing/restoration business. I guess next they will buy Heritage and cut everyone else out fo the loop completely. Get your books pressed, restored, graded, and sold all at the same time. Ahhhh, so that's why they hired Borock! Sly...

Don't forget this thread! http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=941272&fpart=1

Are you saying this with a straight face? You're the guy who disparaged comics as not even being in the realm of true collectibles, and then you wouldn't even post the list that comics didn't make. Do you have any self-awareness? I said that comics are not 'true collectibles' yet I spend thousands on each one and have been collecting since 2008? Wow, since 2008? Tell me about the old days grandpa... Yes, I am aware that you had posted it earlier. It still doesn't change the fact that you refused to post the list in the subsequent thread(s), which would've taken 2 seconds. Your attitude betrayed your disdain for the posters who were asking (and some were asking nicely). I thought it was all about the sharing of knowledge? This is just one example of why your statement above is bulle. You're a hypocrite? Perhaps you forget the person who started 'using foul langauage' and the fact that I was a dealer at a major antique convention that day. I do have a life outside the forums. This isn't Burger King; you can't have it YOUR way. I want the top ten list now. Sorry, I am busy right now! Backpedal. If you had time to post in those threads, you had time to post the list. It would have taken you literally 10 seconds to do so. But I'm beating a dead horse here... which are more collectible than comics damnit!!!

Bump the other threads. And the irony of you posting a link so quickly is not lost on me

Are you saying this with a straight face? You're the guy who disparaged comics as not even being in the realm of true collectibles, and then you wouldn't even post the list that comics didn't make. Do you have any self-awareness? I said that comics are not 'true collectibles' yet I spend thousands on each one and have been collecting since 2008? Wow, since 2008? Tell me about the old days grandpa... Yes, I am aware that you had posted it earlier. It still doesn't change the fact that you refused to post the list in the subsequent thread(s), which would've taken 2 seconds. Your attitude betrayed your disdain for the posters who were asking (and some were asking nicely). I thought it was all about the sharing of knowledge? This is just one example of why your statement above is bulle. You're a hypocrite?

Are you saying this with a straight face? You're the guy who disparaged comics as not even being in the realm of true collectibles, and then you wouldn't even post the list that comics didn't make. Do you have any self-awareness?

CGC will not own the company. They will be sister companies. It is CCG that is buying Matt's company. Classics only works on comics, unless they spread out to coins and cards, the issue is only relevant with CGC items...so the relationship is there, between the two parts of the umbrella company. So why has there never been a problem with CCG owning both NGC and NCS? How's the health of that market fared? In my opinion, it is a necessary evil. One that is accepted and used. Think of it this way, if you have a wondeful coin collection and your house burns down, I guarantee you will call NCS. Any collector would. If you discover a 'rare' coin covered in 'grime' and horribly toned, you can use the services of NCS. It is accepted in the marketplace. 'mint' What about currency pressing? Has that too become acceptable? Once again you are comparing 'apples to oranges.' Currency (i.e. paper money) is made out linen just as much as it paper (actually more). Currency is printed with raised inks which help create embossing. Therefore, 'pressing' can be proven and actually causes the removal of the embossing on the note. A comic book being 'pressed' cannot be determined 100% of the time. If I stack a collection of high grade raw comic books tightly in a box for a period of time, you would not be able to (if done right) tell the 'pressed' book from the book from the box. Therefore, the pressing of currency actually causes physical damage to the piece in question. Pressing a comic book (when done right) does not. Personally, I will not buy currency without the 'EPQ' or 'PPQ' designation. This argument has been brought up numerous times on this very forum and cross-collectors like myself have each time attempted to explain this. Also, as to the PM's and emails I have been receiving, I really do not want to enter a discussion comparing art to comic books; or even antiques. As I have said many times before, what goes on in the comic book collecting field does not even hold a 'candle' to what goes on in other collecting fields. This is such a minor issue in my opinion, it does not bother me at all. I have listed examples in this thread and others. Not that anyone cares, but 'pressing' (as I have said multiple times throughout this same thread) is considered minor conservation to me; not restoration. It also does not deserve to get this much attention in my opinion. I did post a thread several days ago in another sub-forum, about my FIRST experience with 'pressing.' I still continue to buy high grade books that I know have been pressed as well. Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong. Respectfully, 'mint' Wow, if anyone was on the fence about you being a condescending prick, they are no longer on the fence.

CGC will not own the company. They will be sister companies. It is CCG that is buying Matt's company. Classics only works on comics, unless they spread out to coins and cards, the issue is only relevant with CGC items...so the relationship is there, between the two parts of the umbrella company. You can try and spin it as if it's not...but they didn't "acquire" classics because they would help the coin/card business. Once again, NGC (owned by the Certified Collectibles Group who owns CGC) already owns NCS (a conservation company for coins). Coin collectors everywhere are probably wondering what all the 'fuss' is about as this company has been 'in house' (under the same company umbrella as NGC) for years. Edited to add: If you look at how one submits to NCS and then NGC,. this may help answer the questions as to how this process will work between CGC and now Classics Incorporated. Does NGS REMOVE restoration, so the item can be sold as completely unrestored? It is more done as 'conservation' (however, not every collector agrees with the use and definition of that word). That being said, have you checked out their website? www.ncscoin.com So comic collectors want their slabbing company to more ethical than coin slabbing companies. Is that so wrong?

Comics are a commodity, thank god!

CGC will not own the company. They will be sister companies. It is CCG that is buying Matt's company. Classics only works on comics, unless they spread out to coins and cards, the issue is only relevant with CGC items...so the relationship is there, between the two parts of the umbrella company. So why has there never been a problem with CCG owning both NGC and NCS? Wow, talk about a Sleeper Shill. On the Boards for 10 years, but your first post was May of this year?