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pm that name of that store Jimmy.... I can't find any in the gta

If he's talking about the comic store in Belleville, then they sold out Day 1. If he's talking about another store, then I think the print run on this issue is over 10,000 because I know Need A Hero Comics ordered over 100 copies.

You seem to have a good idea of what people buy at shows, kimik. If you don't mind my asking, how many copies of Scooby-Doo Team-Up #12 have you picked up to sell later at shows? Do you think this issue has legs in 2016?

interesting, seems that all the cheap copies have been scooped up. some are also saying it is first x-force.

 

there's a pinup with shatterstar in the book, the pinup is a team that looks A LOT like the new x force. Think of it like the Wolverine ad in DD 115.

I disagree about the look. Over half the characters in the pinup were not members of the original X-Force team, unless the standing woman is supposed to be Copycat/Domino and not Skids or Magma. Even with a stretch like that, there's no Feral or Warpath.

New Mutants Annual #6 has been moving on eBay for the last two days after not moving very much during the rest of August. Some sellers are claiming it's the first appearance of Shatterstar, but why that would cause copies to move is a mystery.

AUG140839 HAWKEYE #22 $4.99

If the "$5.95 single price" MGN 3 was published after the dual price 4th printing, why did they go back to the old font for "No." yet keep the new font for "$"?

 

That's a very good question, but we don't know that the $5.95 single price was published after the dual price 4th printing.

 

Remember: there are no single price variations for MGN #1 or 2, even though #2 was supposedly published only a month before #3. Why not?

 

And we know that all printings from #5 on have dual pricing, so any single prices would have to have been printed before #5. We know that the MGN #4s identified as second printings have dual pricing...

 

Were the $5.95 single prices for #3 and #4...afterthoughts...? And if that's the case, wouldn't they be...later printings?

 

 

Why did MGN #1 go through 3 printings, but never had a single $6.95 price? Was the $5.95 acceptable to the Canadian market for the meantime? The Canadian market clearly had demand for these later printings...hence the dual pricing...but why is there not any "single price" Canadian versions for the first 3 printings?

 

The 4th printing is a dual price, but with those "mixed fonts" (the original fat, frumpy font for $5.95, combined with the sleeker $6.95 price.)

 

Perhaps Carol Kalish (or Peter David or whoever) did some research that showed Canadians were unwilling to pay, in 1982 Canadian dollars, $6.95 for a Marvel Graphic Novel.

Or perhaps it was too costly to make a second cover for, presumably, a smaller print run of the 2nd and 3rd printings of MGN 1.

Whereas for MGN 3 and MGN 4, they each get an initial print run of about, say, 25000 copies each. In this case, printing off 2500 or 3000 Canadian covers is worth the cost of making a second cover.

I would lean towards the latter explanation.

Also, if the $5.95 single prices for #3 and #4 were "afterthoughts" (2nd printings), then wouldn't all MGN #4's with dual prices actually be 3rd printings? Yet, as you said, "We know that the MGN #4s identified as second printings have dual pricing..."

Okay, I just checked eBay.ca for Marvel Graphic Novel 3 (Dreadstar!) and found zero "$5.95 single price" copies either available or sold in the last three months in the U.S.

 

There are three "$5.95 single price" copies located in Canada. All are for sale from Doug Sulipa. Curiously, he is not listing these as "Canadian Variants".

 

Until I see evidence to the contrary (and I would love to see proof either way), I now believe the "$5.95 single price" copies of both MGN 3 and MGN 4 are first printings meant to be distributed in Canada.

 

It's a fairly reasonable opinion....but I take the opposite side. I won't believe it is until it is proven so. Three copies does not a conclusion make....

 

13 out of 18 (including ones I've pulled from my boxes) single priced copies have the $5.95 price in Canada.

4 out of around 200 single priced copies have the $5.95 price in U.S.

If the "$5.95 single price" MGN 3 was published after the dual price 4th printing, why did they go back to the old font for "No." yet keep the new font for "$"?

Okay, I just checked eBay.ca for Marvel Graphic Novel 3 (Dreadstar!) and found zero "$5.95 single price" copies either available or sold in the last three months in the U.S.

There are three "$5.95 single price" copies located in Canada. All are for sale from Doug Sulipa. Curiously, he is not listing these as "Canadian Variants".

Until I see evidence to the contrary (and I would love to see proof either way), I now believe the "$5.95 single price" copies of both MGN 3 and MGN 4 are first printings meant to be distributed in Canada.

Has anyone thought to ask CGC how they tell the different printings apart? I know I have seen the $5.95 only price book in a slab with a note saying "$5.95 cover price". That was it. No Canadian notation, no mention of printing.

 

I would think maybe the fine experts at CGC could help shed some light on this issue themselves

Can someone just email/tweet/facebook Doug Sulipa, Randy Sauve, or some other person who has been running a comic store in Canada since at least 1982? Maybe they can prove their initial order contained all "$5.95 single price" covers.

...MGN in 1982 didn't have that issue. These were their "premiere format" books, and they weren't rushed.

 

The comparison between Marvel's premiere new format, which had no deadline issues, and production eccentricities of regular newsprint books later on down the line, isn't apt.

 

The question isn't, and never was, whether they WOULD use a different font...it is WHY they would use a different font....what is the justification for doing so, especially if it wasn't necessary due to time constraints.

I apologize in advance if I'm misconstruing this section of your post, but, according to Louise Simonson, MGN 4 did have deadline issues:

"It was supposed to be just a regular-sized issue. What happened was that graphic novels had just recently been introduced, and there was some sort of publishing schedule for these things that was not being met," says Simonson. "The first issue of The New Mutants was half-drawn, and Shooter came down to my office and said someone had not turned in his graphic novel because we needed something in that publishing slot. None of us were very pleased about that. I think we felt that it was a perfectly good introductory issue, but a graphic novel really ought to be something more. It should have a bigger story than this."

 

Left with no choice, the team went about expanding the book for the revised format. They had to come up with about 10 more pages of story and art, and get it to the publisher three weeks earlier. This created a scheduling conflict of a highly personal nature for artist Bob McLeod.

 

"Bob was getting marred and going on his honeymoon right in the middle of it," Simonson recalls. "I told Shooter, 'Jim, he's not going to be able to ink it himself in the time you've given us, which isn't fair because I told him he could ink it.' And Shooter said 'Tough. That's the way it's gotta be.' I said okay, but went ahead and let Bob ink it when he came back. So the book missed its shipping slot by two weeks, and I was on Shooter's bad list for maybe a year and a half or two years after that, but I had let the creators do what I promised they could do."

I can only find three active listings for MGN #4 in Canada. All three are single priced $5.95 copies.

 

I quickly looked through the active, single priced U.S. listings and found 1 $5.95 copy and 22 $4.95 copies.

 

Hmmm...

 

For there to be a "Canadian version", they would be understandably rare.

 

Put it this way: there are 125 or so Spidey #252s. Of those, only 5 are Canadian versions, or 4%.

 

There are 44 copies of MGN #4 currently listed (I counted)....and there are FOUR supposed "Canadian versions" listed for sale...? (I didn't count the "$5.95 single price" ones, I'll take your word that there are four.)

 

Nearly 10% of the listings are these "Canadian versions"...?

 

 

And, while there are LATER editions that have UPC codes....the 6th printing, for example...those early supposed "Canadian versions" do NOT have UPC codes...and, again, the "Canadian versions" for REGULAR books were intended solely for the Canadian newsstand.

 

Soooo....

 

Not conclusive, for sure, but there's too much that doesn't add up yet.

I counted 137 completed listings on eBay using the search team "marvel graphic novel 4" (not in quotation marks) between Mar. 1, 2015 and May 24, 2015. Two listings had no image of the book but two other listings had two books each. There were at least two re-listings, so let's say the total number was between 130-135.

Of those, I counted 7 "5.95 single price" ones. 4 were from Canada, 3 were from the U.S.

So about half the completed listings from Canada are "$5.95 single price" ones.

And about 2.5% of completed listings from the U.S. are $5.95 single price" ones.

Hmmm...

...While it's possible that the $5.95 is a "Canadian version", why would they print a different version using an entirely different font for the price, rather than just using the original font, which already had a "5" in the price?

I think they were tinkering with different fonts at the time. Note the change in "No." and "$" between MGN #3 and MGN #4.

I can only find three active listings for MGN #4 in Canada. All three are single priced $5.95 copies.

I quickly looked through the active, single priced U.S. listings and found 1 $5.95 copy and 22 $4.95 copies.

Hmmm...

Am I the only scrub here whose single copy has its coupon removed?

New Mutants #18 (first appearance of Warlock) seems to be heating up. People are starting to appreciate The Demon Bear Saga again, hurrah!

The Marvel Graphic Novels, especially #1-5, were reprinted multiple times, without much indication that they were reprints. This is very confusing. Marvel production didn't consider, at the time, that this could create problems. Nobody thought of it at the time, because no one knew we'd be discussing it nearly 35 years later.

 

So, let's discuss.

 

MGN #1 - First printing should have a SINGLE $5.95 cover price, with "frumpy font" (my term), that is, thick and heavy, for the price.

 

MGN #2 - First printing should have a SINGLE $5.95 cover price, frumpy font.

 

MGN #3 - First printing should have a SINGLE $4.95 cover price, frumpy font.

 

MGN #4 - First printing should have a SINGLE $4.95 cover price, frumpy font.

 

MGN #5 - First printing should have a DOUBLE $5.95/$6.95 cover price, sleeker font.

 

Thereafter, the MGNs all had a double price.

 

IMPORTANT: - Look at the INDICIA page. If you see a PRINTER'S KEY:

 

"10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"

 

and it's missing the 1, or the 1 and 2, or the 1 and 2 and 3, and so on, it's NOT a first printing.

 

Also...if it says "XXXXX printing", it's obviously a later printing.

 

I'm willing to be convinced that $5.95 single is Canadian...but it would take some compelling evidence. There's no precedent for it, obviously, and at the time these were being printed, there wasn't a need quite yet for a dual price....which is why you see later printings WITH the dual pricing.

 

Remember...up until 1982, and for a decade plus before that, the US and Canadian dollars traded essentially at par. So, there was no need for "separate pricing" until it was instituted with the OCT 1982 cover dates. Prior to that, it was the same price for standard comics, whether distributed in the US or Canada.

 

The first four MGNs, being early to mid 1982 books, also fit under this scheme. There's no reason to assume that there was a "special Canadian version", when there's absolutely no indication that such was necessary until the last quarter (cover dates) of 1982.

 

Because MGN #4 is on the cusp, however, I'm willing to consider that it might be a special case...but there would have to be proof or, barring that, compelling circumstantial evidence (such as being on the cusp of the change.)

I may have found something on that Copyright Records website about which you told me:

no. 5. Claimant: Marvel Comics Group, a division of Cadence Industries Corporation. Issue title: X-Men : God loves, man kills / by Christopher Claremont and Brent Eric Anderson. Created 1982; Pub. 1982-08-24; Reg. 1983-07-25; TX0001163015

no. 4. Claimant: Marvel Comics Group, a division of Cadence Industries Corporation. Issue title: The New Mutants. Appl. author: text & ill.: Marvel Comics Group, a division of Cadence Industries Corporation, employer for hire. Created 1982; Pub. 1982-09-21; Reg. 1983-07-25; TX0001163222

I bolded the salient text.

So I am guessing The New Mutants was delayed (but already had the cover printed), and Marvel decided to print off a small portion of Canadian price covers instead of trashing a bunch of single-price covers.

Somebody (not me) bought 6 copies of Captain Carrot & His Amazing Zoo Crew #9 from Mile High Comics earlier today. Other than those sales, the issues aren't moving at all. New Teen Titans #16 is doing okay, but I thought CC was going to get more of a Harley bump.

Ha! Something told me to hold off on buying it. Sucks to be those people who paid $100+.

 

Really sucks for whoever shelled out $700 for the final splash page of original art. Good for Cory Smith, though.

 

I completely disagree, no matter what happens in future issues he DIED in this issue. It was confirmed by the character Angel Bridge in the dialogue, not to mention every single news outlet that has printed a story about the events. Turtles die in real life when their shells are compromised, and that's exactly what Bebop and Rocksteady did to Donny. Will a serum/mutagen/ooze bring him back?..... probably.

 

Wolverine will be back, but that doesn't mean he didn't die in Death of Wolverine 4

 

This will be an iconic panel forever in my opinion. $700 was a steal.

 

Except in the preview art for the future issue posted by Adonis the dialogue reads "he very nearly lost his life"

 

It would appear that you have some amount of money tied up into this and are desperately clinging to the idea that he is dead.

 

Your assumption is incorrect ......

 

No, I would believe its pretty accurate.

 

 

You were saying?

 

1. Why are you a member of the google plus groups if you hate it so much?

2. What is the name you use on google+, I want to make sure I'm not following you.

 

Because despite the idiocy of the owner, plenty of good information gets posted there and 98% of the users seem like perfectly fine individuals? Also not a member there.

 

Speaking of the owner, I point out that he was monetarily invested in TMNT 44, which he denied and now I've been made aware that he put a bounty on my personal information? This falls somewhere between being creepy and scary. Its also pathetic.

 

So who did 8802 send after you? Dengar? Bossk? Jimmy Linguini in a Boba Fett costume?

Keep up the great sleuthing, darkstar. I, for one, appreciate it.

Wow, this is fun. Seems like a lot of people like to fly and travel back in time (June or maybe May cover date 1938 would be my choice so I could have my pick of all those mint Action #1's)

 

I picked the Beatles because MOST everyone young or old likes them and they have such a wonderful catalog of music. Lotta love for Rubber Soul here. I'm a Lennon fan and like to rock although if I had to pick one of his solo songs it would be Imagine hands down. Still makes me want to cry everytime I hear it... I'm really more of a Stones fan though. First time I heard them do blues I was hooked and didn't know why. Really influenced my music tastes for life.

 

Party guests: That seems to be all over the place. I like that people pick loved ones and almost thought of that but my loved ones left me with a lot and I hope to see them again in the future. Famous people like Hendrix will have a longer line like seeing Jim Lee at a comic con so I'd rather just talk to them in the confines of my house.

 

You really learn a lot about what makes people tick with these 3 questions.

I knew something was up when you picked a cover song, Robot Man. These answers really do say a lot about you!

Here's a store that believes in Marvel Age Annual #3 more than I do: Mile High Comics!

Marvel Requirer 11 is the first appearance and cover for Darkhawk... [edited]

 

Based on the "Coming Attractions" feature in Marvel Age #94, I strongly suspect that you are wrong about the release dates. Marvel Requirer #9 was scheduled to ship a week later than Marvel Age #95. It would follow that Marvel Requirer #11 went on sale a week later than Marvel Age #97.

 

 

I know!

 

Let's look at the US Copyright info!

 

Sadly, #11 isn't recorded...

 

But #10 is!

 

v. 1, no. 10, Dec90. Created 1990; Pub. 1990-12-11; Reg. 1990-12-31; TX0002976891

 

And here's Marvel Age #96 and #97:

 

v. 1, no. 96, Jan91. Created 1990; Pub. 1990-11-20; Reg. 1990-12-26; TX0002966375

v. 1, no. 97, Feb91. Created 1990; Pub. 1990-12-25; Reg. 1991-03-05; TX0003025123

 

Since Marvel Requirer was ALSO a monthly title, it follows that.....drumroll please....

 

#11 came out AFTER Marvel Age #97!

 

 

Thank you for doing that research. Case closed.

Marvel Requirer 11 is the first appearance and cover for Darkhawk... [edited]

Based on the "Coming Attractions" feature in Marvel Age #94, I strongly suspect that you are wrong about the release dates. Marvel Requirer #9 was scheduled to ship a week later than Marvel Age #95. It would follow that Marvel Requirer #11 went on sale a week later than Marvel Age #97.

eBay is still littered with affordable copies, but there has been a few sales of Tales of the New Teen Titans #1 over the past two weeks in the $6-10 range.

The perception of 1st appearance is starting to change and some just wont let it go of the traditional views. While I tend to agree with the traditional view as well, I just cant deny that the market is starting to change this trend somewhat in some cases.

 

 

Orrrrrr....some understand the use of the language, and don't see any need to change the language to accommodate people who want to change meanings for no valid reason, and the worst reason of all: personal gain.

 

Nothing is "changing." There are simply people who don't understand what the term "first appearance" means, and/or want the definition of a "first appearance" to change so they can make money.

 

There's no great sea change to redefine what "first appearance" means. Honest. And, if on the extremely remote chance that the idea of a "first appearance" being a PREVIEW gains ANY traction in the comics market, there will be a grand backlash by thinking, rational people...

I doubt that.

Remember the frenzy (chronicled in this very thread) over Superman Adventures #5?

Was that not started over Livewire appearing in a single panel of a New 52 comic?

She hasn't even appeared since

Yet SA #5 is still a $30+ book on eBay.

Maybe you'd get a clamor.