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Where is Barbie currently streaming if it even is at this point? Under Kang's feet, where everything belongs.

Moved this from the Killer Moon / Scorcese thread so we don't continue to derail it. I guess I'm not sure what you mean about transcending the pettiness. Where did I reciprocate? Where was I petty? If there's one person who doesn't reciprocate it's me. I've taken it for years but I don't dish it back (except for one post which was deserved). If someone you cared about was dealt with improperly, would you just 'take the high road' and not say anything or would you air a grievance? Having grievances is healthy. It fosters discourse and forces consideration of issues that would otherwise just be washed away. Dude, I have no way of convincing you except by stating that I genuinely don't get mad, upset or frustrated about these forums. My life is so much more fulfilling and bigger than an internet chat forum. The only thing I'm upset about is that I've lost many the friends to overdose. Anyway, it's now clear that there are two standards. I don't need to say anything else.

The movie was hilarious in a good way, but I have mixed feelings, although likely not for the reason most people think. My daughter thought it was a bit dumb but enjoyed the comedy and we talked about it for about 10-15 mins after. I'm going to digest my thoughts and reply later.

I guess I don't understand how that's fair or even logical. I started a movie thread thread about a topic I've had a genuine interest in for 7 or 8 years now, and have lost 5 friends in the last year to opioid overdose - my last friend was buried on my birthday 2 months ago, it was moved to a place where I can't see it anymore, but it was only moved after someone who doesn't like me complained. Why didn't they complain about any of the other threads? Then the rules changed, but only for me. All the other threads that don't belong get to stay. Wow. OK. I thought things would be different after 3 years of this but I guess some things haven't changed. I believe this is why so many people constantly attack me, because they feel that moderation approves of impartial treatment. That's fine. It doesn't bother me one bit but I am going to point it out when it's so clear. Anyway, moving on. I'm obviously the problem.

I'd suggest if you had my life you wouldn't want yours because I don't understand what sort of person I'd need to be to attack total strangers on the internet. Does it make you feel better? I genuinely don't get it.

It was an amalgamation of the two. Marvel can advertise all they want but if the product isn't something the public wants, it's lipstick on a pig. Manga appears to have captured the attention, most of the floor space at the NY Comic Con and apparently, from conversations we've had over the last few months, a significant portion of the market - and growing. Manga can afford to advertise because Manga is selling and growing, and Marvel can't because they're not growing. We discussed this in the Millar thread a few months ago and I made a lot of similar points (and posted the same pics, so sorry for the repeats but I felt it was necessary in this discussion). Putting out a better product and raising better kids were my only two points. That's it.

I said no such thing. This is why I don't debate you. You literally twist everything, conflate things nobody said and make things up while making it personal. Stop attacking me personally. I don't do the same to you. The only reason you'd associate me with conspiracy theory is to attempt to discredit me publicly while not addressing anything I've said. It's called cancel culture.

I'm watching it tonight with my daughter and her boyfriend. One of my daughters couldn't make it but she's already seen it so we'll discuss it later. I'll report back.

Another one of those "I'm not getting my perceived equal treatment - everyone else will suffer for it" situations. Great! The rules say non-comic book movies aren't allowed but the forum is full of non-comic book movies against the rules...you're calling me a victim? That doesn't make sense. You'd be more accurate to focus on whoever it was that notified Mike and pushed Mike's hand into putting that stickied rule up. I think EVERYONE would like clarity on what the actual rules are. Personally, I WOULD PREFER NON COMIC MOVIES BE ALLOWED as I enjoy discussing them but rules are rules and they need to be clear and enforced, so I suggest you you figure it out with Mike, because I count 12 non-comic book movies just on the 1st three pages of this forum. I did some heavy lifting for you. You're welcome. https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/463072-apple-tvs-killers-of-the-flower-moon-directed-by-martin-scorsese-tbd/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/523109-netflixs-heart-of-stone-starring-gal-gadot-81123/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/467664-hunger-games-ballad-of-songbirds-snakes-tbd/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/474936-amazons-jack-reacher-show-2022/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/523951-sonys-napoleon-directed-by-ridley-scott-starring-joaquin-phoenix-2023/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/496818-universals-j-robert-oppenheimer-the-atom-bomb-directed-by-christopher-nolan-tbd/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/493202-netflixs-rebel-moon-part-one-a-child-of-fire-direct-by-zack-snyder-2023/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/forum/70-comics-related-movies-tv-video-games/page/2/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/499502-arcane-on-netflix/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/528598-mgms-the-winter-king-an-arthurian-tale-2023/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/529440-netflixs-rebel-moon-animated-series-from-zack-snyder-tbd/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/452366-stephen-kings-salems-lot-tbd/

This was the Marvel display. It was LITERALLY tucked in the back half of the room, BEHIND the Anime stuff. Underwhelming at best. Marvel. MARVEL. The literal Goliath of the last 60 years. They were using a power point display that my kids would have used in middle school. It's like when you go to a bar and they start coming up with excuses on why they don't have your favorite tequila or scotch...and then they go out of business a month later. You realize they were on life support but didn't want anyone to know. This is what's happening out in the real world. Everyone is too busy pretending things are great while they get displaced by truly great business. It's called DENIAL.

Thanks. This is why I chose not to have a debate. It always ends this way (Marvels movie thread for lots more). ----------------------------- On a positive note, if you all want to know why these companies are NOT successful, how about studying a model that IS successful at selling comics and related products? Why is Anime so appealing? Why is it outgrowing the entire industry? And why is nobody asking these questions and instead discussing numbering and other non-factors? Why was the NYC Comic Con, arguably the largest show in the country AND THE FACE OF AMERICAN COMICS in the greatest economic city in the USA completely represented by Anime but underwhelmingly NOT supported by US publishers? There's a message in there somewhere if you read between the lines. This was the MAIN ENTRANCE to the NY Comic Con. Anime took up the most important space in the room and about 1/4 -1/3 of the main showfloor. It's hard to describe how big and impressive these displays were unless you saw them in person. This is what the public saw as they walked in the door.

I wasn't trying to help Mike. I'm asking for clarification of the rules. You came back with a smartalec comment. Like, WHY? If you've had many non-comic book threads here, then why did Moderation pin the post on Sept 13th at the top of the forum banning non-comic book movies? It's really simple. They're either allowed or not allowed? Both can't be right. Fo' shizzle, my nizzle.

Porn is really bad for society and I've historically spoken out against using sexual exploitation in comics for as long as I've known about it. Especially the sexually charged variant covers, which are just another sugar addict's crack that is being served to keep the revenue stream of a dying industry alive on life support.

Thank you. That jogs my memory now. So basically, Disney quite literally played with the lives of everyone involved like it was a board game, destroyed entire careers of people who were involved in good faith but they needed to make a point to some rich people they didn't like. Sounds like a family friendly company that genuinely cares about it's people. I'm getting to the point where I may never watch another Disney movie again, even if the FF and X-men come into the universe.

I'm asking because when I started a thread discussing a movie it was pulled to the Watercooler, Mike made a pinned announcement in response and stated no more NON comic book movies. So I'm asking the question as to why non-comic book movies are allowed when he's clearly stated they're not. Does the truth detract from your day?

Why are there non-comic book movies being discussed in this forum when all NON comic book movies are banned from this forum?

I prefer complex carbs over sugary sweets. I don't think I've had Kool-Aid in around 30 years. See what I mean? You can't reason logically when emotions rule the discussion. That's exactly why I'm out on debating with you. That's a checkmate.

I would be VERY interested to hear your take on what happened to John Carter (2012), because in my own limited experience that was the first movie with blockbuster like expectations from the comic book world to bomb at the box office. There may have been a Batman movie or something from the 90's that fit that description but JC 2012 stands out to me. Are you aware of the circumstances surrounding that film? In hindsight it makes for a very interesting case study in this discussion about Marvels.

I have learned through extensive discussion with you both here and elsewhere that you're very disingenuous when the conversation deepens and so I'm not going to engage in debate with you. I feel it's best for everyone here. If you ever want to discuss this stuff in person or privately without the distractions of a cheering audience, I'm down - like when you walked into me in Baltimore 2 years ago or via PM. I'd have been happy to engage but it was just a quick pleasantry and we moved on. Thanks for reading my post, though.

You have to wonder why Disney, who has more market research and investigative power at their disposal than 99% of all the entertainment companies in the world, would put out a movie about "good vs evil", because let's face it that is what every movie is about, but completely emasculate and psychologically disarm the single most powerful being in the movie, a DEITY no less who is most capable of saving the world from all that evil. You CAN empower men to be more sensitive without emasculating them. It happens in my family every day. I don't think you can empower them by emasculating them and taking away their manhood. You never have to emasculate or demean anyone to make a point but the new way says it's not only acceptable, it's THE PREFERRED WAY. Would this make me want to fight off dinosaurs to defend my family from them? This movie would be better served if it were sold as a parody, but instead it's being projected as "real life". Seriously.

I will not amend.

There are two important facets to this discussion as I see it. 1) The world is very diverse and there are many successful (and unsuccessful businesses) but in order for a business to be successful for the long term, it needs to be honest with itself and allowed to operate freely to produce it's art form as it sees fit. This includes things you don't like. Businesses are being pressured and influenced by outside forces. It's happening in every area of life without exception. Every single person reading this feels it, sees it and knows it. They are not allowed to operate as they see fit and the internet that was supposed to connect everyone is the single most divisive tool in all of human history. You put out something someone doesn't like and they can destroy your life from their smelly sofa covered in popcorn and soda pop. I'll add that honesty / integrity is not a highly valued commodity these days. Dishonesty is, and the end product of dishonesty is dismal failure. When you are trying to please many masters, you're dishonest with yourself. So why are people surprised that there are so many failures when there is so much dishonesty? Honest businesses know exactly who their audience is and they target that audience effectively but outside forces cause businesses to be dishonest with themselves and corrupt the art form, just like in music and in EVERY OTHER ART FORM. It has happened to every major rock band, film director, creative editor, media mogul, you name it. And you know it's true. ------------------------------------------------------- 2) Children are not being raised to want to read and learn. They're being raised (actually, groomed) to avoid reading and avoid learning. Our children are being raised to avoid things they might disagree with and chase things they agree with, and in doing so are raised to act like crack addicts chasing what feels good. Children are being distracted from reading by the influences of social media. Their attention spans are getting shorter, their breadth of material to experience real life from is getting smaller due to different things, including but not limited to cancel cultures (which is really just a projection of the few on the many), manipulation of their psyche by social media (we are physiologically / psychologically changing the evolutionary path of humanity with tech) and by an over saturation of shiny, sugary, addictive forces that have nothing positive or productive in them at all while starving them of true human connections that come from family and community. How do you expect your kids to want to sit down and read a book that may disagree with when they've been programmed to hate complex things that they may disagree with? The only way to grow is to face complex things you disagree with and learn to navigate them but we've disarmed them and this has caused them to avoid it all and seek the sugar hits. Your comic book now needs to catch them with a Taylor Swift hook to get their attention, be promoted on Tik Tok and not be over in 180 seconds long for it to be successful. And I have nothing against Taylor Swift. There's a new Tik Tok craze and Gen Z are realizing what it's like to unplug from the digital world. This is a pathetic failure on the part of US, me and you, and the ones who led the way. Believe me, I have tried. You've seen me trying. Why did it take nearly 30 years for children to realize en masse how devious social media is and how many countless millions of lives have been ruined before they realized it? You all know this is true too. ------------------------------------------------------------ You want to expand your reader base? You need to focus on these two things. TLDR for the crack addicts? More more autonomy, more honesty, less social media, building better families and stronger communities. It's the only thing that will work.

The 'new crowd of readers' generally don't spend nearly as much of their money as legacy supporters do, and never will. Do you want proof? Comic dealers live by the phrase "cosplayers have no pockets in their costumes" meaning, they don't carry money to spend. All they want is their 15 minutes of fame and they're gone. They're too busy chasing fads. Stop pandering to people who have no money, no will to even get up in the morning, no real life experience to make mature, long term decisions and no business sense to dictate what other people should do with their money. You can't build anything lasting from the top down. It's not how nature works AT ALL. It is how BIG MONEY works, though. You can only grow it from the bottom up and the fact that Big Money is willing to torch the 80 years of organic growth everyone one of us has put into this hobby should be a lesson to you all. Don't believe what they tell you. Believe what they show you.

I've posted this story many times before. I was at the Motor City con in the Detroit area about 12 (may have been longer - like) 14 years ago and I see Carmine Infantino sitting there and NOBODY is talking to him. Nobody cared. It was like having one of the Beatles sitting there being ignored. So I went up and got to talk to him for 20 minutes with no interruptions. I couldn't believe it. Even if I wasn't a DC guy, I'd have been an IDJIT to not appreciate his contributions for nearly single handedly fueling some of the greatest storytelling in the hobby. I ended up buying a book as a gift for a best friend who was the largest DC fan. So happy I got to do that.

Gotcha. I didn't watch the movie for it's representation of the conflict, but even so I thought they did that REALLY well. They didn't pull punches at show the atrocities of war, they just didn't dwell on them in much the same way in Apocalypse Now was about Sheen's journey. But the "feel" of the movie, and I'm not sure if people can relate but some movies have this ability to create and isolate this dry (in a good way), clear feeling as it moves you through the narration and it never lost sight of that "feel" I'm talking about around the lead character. Anyway, always interesting to hear how everyone gets something different from the same film.