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wish i had a picture of it out of the slab

11 minutes ago, telerites said:

That ad stood out so much when I saw way back but I gotta say, Stan did it better...

man people born now don't realize how crazy it was growing up in the seventies.

economy

10/12 invoice date

12/14 scheduled for grading

11 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

 For the record, I am a fan of Heritage. The policy of 'no returns on graded comics' is not unique to Heritage, many Board sales state the same. However, just because it's graded, doesn't mean it's the same as advertised. Damage and deterioration can happen inside a slab or to ther slab. The onus should not be solely on the buyer.  BTW, in your correspondence with Heritage, did you ever get an explanation as to why the two scans were materially different ? It seemed like a bait and switch situation.

no they wouldn't admit that there was a difference in the scans.  I think its due to the fact it would undermine their whole scanning process and make them admit they "whiten" up scans.  the original scan is from 2005.

2 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Not a good response. He is clearly stating they do not want customers like you. Customers that inspect the book, and the slab, for damage. They want customers that will blindly accept the book as long as the label looks the same. They want you to buy the label, not the book. They are protecting the consignor here, not the buyer. I would like to have Heritage come on here to discuss but I suspect they will not.  So much for feeling safe buying from Heritage. 

so i sent a nice email reply to him and he reinstated my account, I just cant do a Make offer to owner anymore. 

On 11/27/2018 at 9:44 PM, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm very disappointed with the reaction of Heritage. This is a classic case of an 'Item Not as Described'.  Not sure who you talked to but maybe you can climb the corporate ladder, discuss the matter higher up the chain. In any case, you should definitely send it back and argue about the suspension later. They may have already paid off the seller and realize they are going to have to take a loss. IMO, it's the seller that should be suspended, not you. BTW, it may behoove you to mention you brought it up for discussion on the Boards and the consensus was a damaged book, no longer 8.0 .

So I emailed the COO, here was his response:

Thanks for reaching out. This issue is a bit of a dilemma for us. The rules are very clear that there is no return on certified material and our concern is that this will be an ongoing issue with you. I am sure you can appreciate that our consignors count on us to follow these rules. I discussed this book with our comic graders who inspected the book in person for me and they all feel the grade is correct. Not sure how we can overcome this issue given your position, but I am open to suggestions. Regards,  Paul 

23 minutes ago, Ditch Fahrenheit said:

Believe me, I'm not an HA defender; but I can clearly see the defect on the above scan when I enhance the image. 

To me, it looks like the overhang has been folded over next to a small tear (there are quite a few tiny tears along the top FC edge).

  I think it's just a bad, washed-out scan, and the defect was probably there when CGC graded it.

It's clearer on my home screen, but the gif below will give you an idea of what I'm seeing.

I'd agree with you but the graded notes don't include the chip:

Bottom Spine Wear Breaks Color
Center Back Cover Small Tape Pull
Left Bottom Back Cover Small Tear
Left Center Whole Book Small Wear Breaks Color
Left Top Back Cover Medium Crease
Left Top Back Cover Small Tear
Right Center Whole Book Small Wear Breaks Color
Top Spine Wear Breaks Color

14 minutes ago, Mmehdy said:

Could you explain this in more detail

here is the thread which explains what i am talking about

20 minutes ago, adamstrange said:

 

From Chuck:

 

yes ive read that few times on chucks website.   that's why i don't buy that the comics were used for reference he just collected them. he had OCD for comic books.

12 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:

Keep in mind that Edgar Church wasn't a typical kid begging his news dealer to hold copies for him.  He was an established adult illustrator requesting copies as source material for his files.  It should be assumed he had a deal with a local distributor or store account to acquire undamaged copies and some care was taken to insure the customer got what he requested.  At least that's my best guess.

This is one part of the story that i don't believe.  If he actually used comics for reference they would have had wear on them or have been out of order or even had pieces cut out of them.

I actually believe he was an OCD collector/hoarder and used it as an excuse with his wives to justify buying every comic that was published.  His basement must have been off-limits to his kids and wife to  leave everything in such good condition.

12 minutes ago, szavisca said:

Course it could be the auction house who owns the book and they keep bidding it up and accidentally winning it back ... because they lose exactly zero dollars each time and get to set a new fake fmv on the book.

Guess we’ll see if this one goes up for sale yet again in the near future.  Not sure if HA employs this practice but it sure seems like a few other auction sites are doing this.

After what HA did to my Make Offer to Owner with a DD#1 8.0 i wouldn't put anything past them. Right now they are knowingly trying to sell a 7.5 in an 8.0 slab.

52 minutes ago, the blob said:

I am perplexed as to how you read what I wrote and interpreted it that way. In 1993 there was an overall bubble. Practically everything was supposedly hot. Now we have a market where a lot of keys are super hot and nobody cares about the other 99.9% of the books out there. There may be a mini bubble for some of those keys, but the rest of the market is already deflated. Lots of buying opportunities if you think anything may bounce back.

honest question.  what was hot 5 years ago that isnt now?

On 11/27/2018 at 9:44 PM, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm very disappointed with the reaction of Heritage. This is a classic case of an 'Item Not as Described'.  Not sure who you talked to but maybe you can climb the corporate ladder, discuss the matter higher up the chain. In any case, you should definitely send it back and argue about the suspension later. They may have already paid off the seller and realize they are going to have to take a loss. IMO, it's the seller that should be suspended, not you. BTW, it may behoove you to mention you brought it up for discussion on the Boards and the consensus was a damaged book, no longer 8.0 .

So Heritage is trying to sell it at the same price with the same old scan.  Wouldn't this be against the law now since they are knowingly selling something that is not the same item as described.  

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/daredevil-1-marvel-1964-cgc-vf-80-off-white-to-white-pages/a/826-42066.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

So heritage said they weren't going to refund my money unless they suspended my account for one year.  Needless to say im sending it back. Kind of slimy for something they screwed up on.

Can't wait to see what they do with it.  Bet they end up getting it re graded and they sell it for a loss.

15 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I'm going to offer up a possible theory of what happened here. The book got damaged during a reholder. Instead of taking up the situation with CGC, the owner puts the book up for sale. I stand by my statement that I think you should return it . 

yes makes sense.  i already started the process with ha.com.  just wanted to make sure i wasnt overreacting.  we are talking about a 1k chip here.

34 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Yes, I would venture to say the original grade is 8.0. IMO, book is now a 7.5, inside an 8.0 slab. I would return it. 

thanks for your honest opinion.  you were correct it was an 8.0

On 11/24/2018 at 6:28 PM, KobaltDog said:

Its hard to see what's going on. It might not be chipped. It looks like it might be bent outward and that's a shadow in first pic. 

so i got the comic today and it's definitely a chip missing.  does anyone think that would cause it to be knocked down a grade?

So I recently did a buy from owner on Ha.com website.  I asked for a new scan from ha.com and they sent me the attached file on the left.  I didn't receive the comic yet but i just noticed the chip on the middle top cover that was not there on the website auciton image (2nd image).  will this materially affect the grade if its something between a 7.0-8.5? i noticed ha said they don't accept returns on graded comics but i feel as though they missed that new chip that wasn't on the original sale when they were doing their due diligence.

i also spoke to my CC company and they don't think i should have a problem being able to return it. has anyone had a similar situation happen to them?

any reply would be appreciated

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first purchase from gene was a nice book that is a hard one to find and rarely comes up for sale.  would buy from again.

hey just back into collecting archie's went to NYCC and saw a raw Archie #53 going for $575.  any reason this one jumped up in price compared to the other bob montana GGA ones(46,48,49 etc)?