Terry E.

Hi, I am in Australia and am doing Emerald City next March. Apart from bringing stuff to sell off when I arrive (mainly car stuff) one of the reasons was to get some high grade or high value Silver age DC's graded. I noticed that the form for applying at a Con is up for Wizard World New Orleans (I think it is January) does anyone know if CGC is doing ECC and if so do they have a limit on how many books they can take and roughly when will the application for the Con approximately be up online.

Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks Terry

A dealer offered me a 7.5 a few months ago and I hope he still has it. (For his sake not mine) At the time I was after a really nice Iris page with her hair up like Infantino originally drew her so declined. Saved my pennies.

It looks like an outlier but I grabbed a nice SC 8 of the same dealer back in July.  It made me cry to pay it but I sent him and email just before another buyer and he came through. SC 13 is not just third Flash, but if you don't call the Challengers superhero (more of an adventure Sc-Fi crossbreed) then it is the third Silver age book.

I was out at $6.2K but it was much stronger than I would have thought, or had hoped for.

Those early DC's have very low numbers when looking over 4.0s.

anyway enough of swimming with sharks and whales I will head back to the Goldfish bowl

Very nice for a 3.0

I had the top bid on that when i put in a tracking bid. I then looked at it and started praying I would loose. The Comic Link 6.0 today was much nicer and I just missed. I would have loved it but my wife would not have understood. Bought too much lately.

Yes, to both of those. Does it change my behavior. No.

In recent years with the significant person signing so much on a day the signature can look a little messy. The one above is great, but so many written across the middle of the cover in a rush. What does it really say?

A question to dealers or anyone else who knows. I am in Australia, so like many foreign buyers I have used dealers catalogs and now ebay and auction sites. I have noticed in recent years with top 50 SA books that often asking prices on ebay for BIN from dealers are above the curve for GPA or prior auction sales. Sometimes these books take a small discount to the price, sometimes they sell to an offer. Many times they disappear from the listing. Same dealer will then  list others of that particular book (eg Flash 105)  at different grades and then after a while they too disappear from the auction listing. These for example do not turn up on ebay as sold. So a question to those who know. Has the dealer found a buyer at a Con or from a want list, or maybe to another dealer, or is he just sitting for a while for the market to move up a little more ?

and of course by the time Marvel secret wars 8 came out you got to order them by the box..

for 30 is was 60c each but if memory serves by the time you ordered 100 is was at 30c each

I remember a dealer slashing prices on Miller Wolverine 1 for a A$1 and also Spiderman 252, but lets not talk about some of the others I bought .. Ambug Bug anyone ..

Congrats. I hope you took some time to give it a good look. Let us know what it comes up as.

and maybe the start of a small Flash collection.

There is also heaps of high grade DC non key stuff going though. If you are a DC collector there is lots to interest you (or in particular me).

Wow that is going to be fun to watch..

Yeah that "supply is plentiful" but those hoarding them and buying them up were buying anything. Bob is also talking 1960s vs 1940s, where many key books were just near impossible for collectors of that day to find. In the 1970s -1980s collectors had no idea how much 2.0-4.0 was out there until ebay arrived. Many dealers in the 80s were still amassing huge stocks of low grade silver age waiting for silver age to boom, which it did in the 1990s then it adjusted and is still adjusting. The dealers would not pay , much for it but were waiting for its time, which appeared to arrive late 80's spurred on by ever rising values in OSPG. Not sure if for these books the OSPG was creating the market rather than reporting it. Unless in very high demand, ASM 1-50 FF 46-52, Flash 110,123,139, Tec 359, you can still pick up low grade at a very affordable price. But not high grade. Yep people were chasing them but I am not sure about buying multiples off the rack as happened in the 1990s.

I think looking after them so much better came in around 1968-1970. Which gave rise to a common dealer statement that "nothing after 1970 will ever be worth anything (comparatively) as fans had started to buy with the intention of keeping and not just buying, reading  and junking.

and final comment, I think in 1964 if you offered a fan 5 copies of ASM 14 or a 4.0 EC classic I am pretty sure which one he would grab. Even the people making Super Hero comics were waiting for the next crash, and never thought it would last. That may have been why it took Marvel so long to get on Board. Even Archie came back before Atlas/Marvel. Anyone just some thoughts from someone on the fringe of the big city scenes.

I was thinking about this in another way over the weekend. I was looking over the top 20 for many on that list the last high sale was either quite a while ago or it is a one off way over guide, 150-175%.

Yeah the guide for many of the rare books (very few over 8.5) that are on the list is way off. Funny thing is the experienced dealers seem to have a better feel for these values than the guide shows.

It may also be why so many books on ebay sold by dealers bear no relationship to the guide. The lesser experienced guys don't want to sell too cheap, so whack a high price on it and then wait for the guide and other auctions to move market expectation higher.

and on another note about overseas buyers. A certain dealer makes regular trips here bringing slabbed and unslabbed big dollar books (at least $10K+ figures). There has to be a market here or he is not going to waste those airfares.

I have also seen books routinely turning up on our local ebay or at Cons that were never sold here new. 10 years ago they just were unknown but they have now been here in such numbers that the are trickling into our second hand market. Not nose bleed dollars but gradually getting there. There are now 2 top 25 on our local ebay that were never sold here and they are not costed at guide either.

So final point, the ranking is pretty close but the dollars are only a guide.

Thanks for that. My thinking is that Broome's villains, starting with Cold were super powered and Infantino added the eye appeal. Superman's villains were thinkers. Toyman Luthor, Batman's were also thinkers, warped thinkers but thinkers. Villains in the 40's and 50's were supported with a team of crooks, the hired muscle. Cold was a stand alone guy with a super gun. It took a while to take root, (was it Schiff's) Batman were still fighting aliens on strange worlds.

Marvel's villiains followed that path. Vulture, Lizard, Sandman, Dr. Ock, Dr. Doom. The villain was front and centre. not a gang leader.

Kanigher's stories were right out of the world of Wonder Woman

I think that run of Cold, Mr. Element, Dr. A, Mirror Master and three issues of Grodd, was what  made Flash a success and separates him from his 1940s counterpart.

That Flash - super-hero, vs Captain Cold, colourful super powered crook was the formula that so much of what followed was based on.

and whether Marvel would have done what they did without the Success of the Flash we will never know.

apart from that it would be 105 then 123.

On 12/15/2016 at 9:12 AM, streyouttacomics said:

I'm leaning towards showcase 8, surprised no one voted for it

 

It's the second appearance of the flash, the first appearance of his first (and a major) villain, came out in '57 and it seems to be the most HTF and costly of the 3

 

Flash 105 would be a close second imo

Yeah I know this is very old (but so is the start of the Silver age), but as a Flash tragic, just wanted to post my thoughts. I went for SC8 when I was into it back in the 80s. Hard to find then (especially in Australia) and harder to find now in decent grade, (or shall I say more expensive than I like). Reason back then was Captain Cold. This was long before John's raised him in the DC universe when in the Wally run he had no friends. Simply is a key book in comicdom. In 1957 superheroes were dead. Just ask Stan. It was detectives, westerns, war, adventure, Sci-Fi, romance, monsters (guide friendly of course). No one believed people in funny costumes could make a come back.

Broome invented Cold and Infantino made sure that no one would miss him. Back in the Golden Age there were Nazi's spy's on every corner, gangsters, mad scientists and the occasional super villain. The villains of that era were drab and functional for the most part. Not Cold. I would be happy to argue that Kanigher's writing although adequate in the origin was not enough to sustain the interest and turn the market 180 degs. (read any early 60s WW lately). If there was no Cold, then maybe no Flash reboot, then no Spider-man, no FF, no X-Men, no Hulk, well maybe Hulk, he is a Monster which was Marvel's bread and butter. We will never know but I think it is more than just a second appearance.

I think it is that books such as SC 8 or Adventure 247 or even SC4 don't often trade at the top end. Yeah you can say , well a 7.0 or 6.5 traded at that and it is up x% but due to the rarity of the top copies it is just a guess. Seriously if SC 4 sells over 9.0 goes  this year, then watch it jump next year. Marvels have more copies at the top grades (9.2) that the guide is based more around actual sales, dealer feedback etc. that it is easier to judge.  So when one of these rare ones sell the guide does a period adjustment. Track SC 8 and it bounces up every few years. Only 2 @ 9.0 next is 8.0, so when ever one of the 9.0s sell then bump.

Not sure this has been covered and I think it relates to DC silver age (pre 1960) more than the Marvel keys is that some of the DC stuff is that rare that sales of the high grade don't show up often. So when they do the guide will jump.  I think this was the case with some DC silver keys somewhat and maybe the pointy end of Marvel. The guide will take its biggest jumps and corrections when the high grade books at 9.2 or near 9.2 actually sell, and like Action 1, Dect 27 a lot of those sales are years apart and not all are recorded.

WTB Flash 218 Cover by Porter + Kolins Rogues Revenge

I have been able to tick most boxes but this one would be my grail. Porter' s cover to Flash 218 from around a decade ago. Does anyone know who has it ????

Also I would love a Kolin's page from Rogues Revenge. I know Kolin's stuff is very hard to find, and I have picked up some nice pages from what is out there, but that series is a favourite of mine and would lobe a pages or pages.

any help would be appreciated

It is a key so I will go 4.5. If it came back as a 5.0 I would not blink.

Hmmm ... I am  in the 5s. Those bottom corner creases knock it down, I just have no idea how much.

Got no idea on the grade just gotta say, that looks so good in a large size image. Serious case of comic envy.

Shows how much they think that corner chunk was worth..

I will go with 3.0 maybe 3.5. I would be surprised at 4.0 with that spine. Otherwise very nice presenting book. Photos not great but looks to still have nice color on the cover.

A key from 1963 so think 4.0 to 4.5. Seen 5.0s from that time worse than this.