Howling Mad

1 hour ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

Just collected my winnings from heritage, and the book didn’t match up very well to the image they advertised. Their image is on top. What I got was the one on the lower left(and yes, I have 2 books the exact same grade mostly because I don’t even know why)

Whoa, that cover is awesome! They're definitely pumping their colors though. Still that's a great looking book regardless.

Did you receive shipping notification from them? I paid as soon as I received my invoice, but haven't seen anything since.

4 hours ago, drdonaldblake1 said:

i was not really following the market closely around then 

In which case, always be prepared for significant drops when the market is impacting.

Look at high-end DC silver age keys, most are dropping like rocks. Good time to pick-up? Probably, but who knows!?

Which is insane, but hey, people can spend their money the way they see fit. That's going to be an awful big bubble.

22 hours ago, drdonaldblake1 said:

any collectible market can potentially crash.................you just have to take this possible risk if you are investing 

 

the comic market has not had a severe crash  in its history......................it has had periods of time when prices and demand were not rising..................you could say things were "in a recession"...................i remember such a time was the early to mid 80['s..................astute collectors like Dave Anderson were buying the Mile HIgh run of action comics 1-20 then

This is just plain incorrect. It's as if you were absent from 2007-2009/2010. High grade prices dropped like a rock for the vast majority of keys. It was a great time to buy, but a terrible time to sell.

Comics aren't recession proof. If and when the market eventually sees another downturn--as is nature for the market--you'll see this occur again. Maybe not to the same extent, but if it was guaranteed money than everyone would be doing it.

Crime and Punishment #2 reduced to $150 shipped!

If I didn't already have a copy I'd take this off your hands. Good deal on a solid book!

6 hours ago, shortboxed said:

Case in point 

Nothing like 4x appreciation inside of a year!

1 minute ago, mrd160 said:

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 as per pm

Sold! Thank you!

1 hour ago, Joshua33 said:

I was the "undisciplined" buyer. The reason I pulled the trigger, and the book is doing so well, is you just don't see anybody with a nice copy offering it for sale. In my opinion, that's for a good reason. That particular copy is probably one of the top ten on census. It's tough because of all the black, its Bill Everett, and it usually makes every top 10 pch cover list. All that being said, was it too much money? Yup.

Oh that's confusing based on the context of your prior post. I didn't mean it negatively, it's a wicked cool book that I was watching as well, it just exceed my budget--which I'm gathering is a sliver of yours.

I'm shocked how much it's spiked in value, but you have all of the numbers behind everything so you know better than most anyone.

21 hours ago, Joshua33 said:

I was wondering who that undisciplined buyer was. All I can say is they must have really wanted that book.

Agreed. It's a great book, but I'm not sure what's happened to it's value over the last year. It's seeing a crazy run-up, like a minor version of what's happening to Mask #1 and #2.

4 minutes ago, comicjack said:

Can we go back to those days when we thought prices were crazy and now they are 

There's crazy and then there's whatever is happening to Mask #1 and #2 prices. Crazy doesn't really capture the insanity IMO.

Nice book. I think you'd have a better chance of connecting a buyer if you updated the title--no reason to be all mysterious. There's plenty of Craig Flessel/war time collectors.

10 hours ago, Terry E. Gibbs said:

I think it is numbers. It's number are closer to golden age than silver age. CGC 491 total and 344 unrestored. Batman 1# has 266 total and 118 unrestored. Even Groot's first appearance a book that was basically cast off in low mid grade through out the years still has 342 unrestored and they have not been the subject of slabbing long. SC22 has 1,055 so basically twice as many but unrestored of 863, 2.5 times as many. Flash has sold better than GL through out its time.  GL was canned in the early bronze age and was lucky to get that far according to people in the industry. I agree that GL has more growth but doubt long term it will change things much. That said I can see SC4 sitting where it is for a while. If looking over this thread there was huge churn on this book in the last few years, a real pass the parcel, musical chairs feel to it.. Music has stopped a lot of people who don't Love Flash are sitting on copies they had hoped to flip. Whether they keep sitting or try and get out now, but for so few copies and considering a lot of dealers are sitting on theirs, there has been a lot coming to market. I think this will go on for a while and that will keep people sitting and waiting for the bottom.

You make a really strong point, I forgot to look at the census numbers. That definitely gives it a bit more weight.

From what I understand copies aren't moving. We're seeing sale prices lower than they've been in a number of years, it's definitely a lead weight at this point. All of that said, it's a classic and always will be.

17 minutes ago, szav said:

I'm sure it is too, I've looked a ton of books and what I posted above isn't official,  I'm confident that they cap grades for PQ as stated (meaning it does count in the grade). 

A boardie once said that SB usually indicates that the cover is separating from the spine.  I do have this personal copy that looks like an 8.0/8.5 to me but was given a 5.0 which I can only assume was due to the PQ.  The graders notes indicated "moderate multiple split, interior spine" which I assume accounts for the SB and may have been caused by a bad press...but it came at a really nice discount, so I can live with it.

It's possible I'm completely wrong, but I had never heard that prior.  If they do it would be interesting to learn how much? Does this also impact OW, Cream, etc.? Or just brittle and slightly brittle? I suspect whatever it is it's changed over the years.

Just now, path4play said:

Yes, that is what I am saying.  A visually 6.0, with crispy oven baked deteriorating dark flaking pages would not (should not?) blue label 6.0.  Likewise a gorgeous subtle white page beauty would grade higher even if there was a tiny bend on the spine for example.

I mean, I don't disagree, but this is how it works. I think by doing it less way they take one more subjective element out of the formula.

There's already so much "art" in the grading process as it is. Heck, you see books change page quality once often when resubbed--how does that happen?

1 minute ago, path4play said:

Wait a minute.  I have a different issue.  I thought the grade included the page quality - hence a brittle page book that looks like a 6.0 should actually blue label significantly less.  This should be apparent 6.0.  Kinda upsetting frankly.

I'm confused. I don't believe the grade itself is impacted by the page quality, that's separate. Say you had two books that were somehow identical sans page quality. One could be a 6.0 white, while the other is a 6.0 brittle. Are you stating you thought the brittle one would be say a 5.0 instead of a 6?

I think CGC did this purposely. They don't judge wrap quality either, which frankly is frustrating as many of the 70's Marvels look horrid.

15 minutes ago, Inaflash said:

They will email you an invoice most likely on Monday. You can pay with credit card without a fee I believe or pay through your checking account. 

Thank you!

Being my first time buying through HA, do they send you an invoice or do you pay through the site? I suspect there's a fee for credit card payments? Any tips and tricks?

On 11/22/2019 at 11:28 AM, Dark Knight said:

And the ship continues to sink.. sold for less than what it sold for back in 2015 according to GPA.

Whoever paid $70k for a 6.5 copy last year must be in his pants 

I recognize that it's considered the start of the silver age, however the discrepancy between Showcase 4 and Showcase 22, which features an equally impressive character, is just far, far too vast. A 6.5 Showcase 22 is an $8K book.

4 minutes ago, comicnoir said:

Venus 19 in 5.5 sold for $7800.00!!

Mind boggling. That book has doubled inside of a year.

That said the cover is super cool.

10 minutes ago, goldust40 said:

Finally got my hands on a Planet 2. Not in the best of shape, but not too bad. It'll certainly do.

I was watching this as well. That's a really nice 4.0 with super vibrant colors. I dig it!

3 hours ago, Gotham Kid said:

TMNT 1 9.8 sold for $52,800.00

https://comics.ha.com/itm/modern-age-1980-present-/alternative-underground/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1-mirage-studios-1984-cgc-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7212-91102.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

 

Wait, wasn't the last sale on this like $80K?!

EDIT - duh, it was on HA. $90K! Oofta to that buyer.

20 minutes ago, ThothAmon said:

Holy smokes. Can someone explain this number to me please?

https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/humor/archie-s-tv-laugh-out-1-suscha-news-pedigree-archie-1969-cgc-nm-96-white-pages/a/7212-92231.s?id=21582123

Highest graded with a well-known pedigree. It's a very high number, but I'm sure that's the driver.