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1 minute ago, jzeze said:

Thanks for the response, much appreciated

BTW, if a Marvel Value Stamp or small piece is out of a page, you actually may still get a blue label that is not 0.5. Grades of 1.0 to maybe 2.0 or slightly higher will occur on books that are not qualified. Since a small piece is much less severe than an entire page, a book is usually not penalized to the fullest extent. 

It's something about crystals being in the fireproof safes that causes the moisture and rust.

Books with missing pages get qualified at 3.5 or higher, and get a 0.5 if book is 3.0 or lower. I guess your estimate of 3.0 on the low end was correct.

On 3/25/2018 at 7:30 AM, story cover & art by... said:

Curious

I have a green label stating missing from insert?!?!

What grade is it in?

If your books are new Marvels, don't expect to get 9.8 grades all the time. The inks Marvel is using with printing is easily scuffing on backing boards. My suggestion is to slab new books immediately. Put the comic in a bag by itself, then throw the bagged comic in a bag with board. Don't have the board directly touching the back cover. The latest high priced victim is the Albuqueque (sp?) Thanos #13. I've seen copies drop from being pulled out of slab to get signed either from 9.8 to 9.6 or 9.6 to 9.4. Some covers pick up fingerprints way too easily, so make sure those covers you handle with gloves if you can. It's not like the old days with news print paper and thicker covers. That's another thing is that the covers are being made so thin that the slightest movement are creating tears by the staples. Good luck with collecting new books.

21 hours ago, SoCalNacho said:

I have started to transfer some of my 80’s comic books to new Mylar bags and I noticed that you can slightly make out the ad from behind the front cover. This is only visible on a few.  Is this normal part of the aging process?

 

Bleed through or seeing the inside of covers is normal and doesn't affect grade.

On 5/8/2018 at 12:28 PM, Joseph Zdyrski said:

Does CGC make a note of these inserts on the label? 

 

Found a Action 521 with an Atari insert not high grade enough to slab but if this is noted on the slab it may be worth a press and slab.

If all copies of a comic are supposed to have an insert, I believe it's in the key comments. Also, if every copy is supposed to have the insert and it is missing, it is considered incomplete.

If they are put in only some of the issues, then it is treated like a MJ insert and noted on the label text.

Ok, just checked the census on Batman #357. All copies have the Atari insert. Look at the key comments of what is written.

https://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_standard.asp?title=Batman&issue=357&publisher=D.C.+Comics&year=1983&issuedate=3%2F83

3 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I did a little detective work and I believe I know the exact book he is referring to and the staples have extensive rust. I stand by my statement that I would not buy this book.

And like I said, heavy rust is a bad deal, so I agree with you about staying away. Staples rust away then that grade will tank big time. But also like I said, if stored properly, shouldn't further damage.

Back to the safe thing, I think it's a fireproof safe that is bad for CGC books. Something like a chemical used to make the safe causes moisture to be retained inside. Can't remember exactly.

On 3/29/2018 at 5:30 PM, shadroch said:

My experience with MCS is the books are generally under graded. Never bought from the other guys, except some TPBs at a show.

+1

Wondering if he's not telling us the book because he doesn't want someone else buying the book.  

Low grade book with a very tiny piece of tape doesn't take a hit at all. If a piece like that is large enough, the graders put it in the comic book itself a few pages in. Yes you can crack it out in the future and re-attach it if you want.

52 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

If the OP quoted the grader's notes directly... CGC notes indicate “staple rust with small stains at centrefold”.    that sure sounds like the stains are from the rust. Why else would they choose the word 'with' in the statement 'rust with stains'. CGC is very careful on the wording in their notes. I knew someone that got the notes on a key book changed because the wording gave the wrong impression to prospective buyers. If this book is already in a slab and the OP is considering buying it I doubt if a photo of the inside centerfold is available.

Except this is the US and centerfold is not spelled centrefold. I doubt that those are the direct notes. Unless he retyped the words and misspelled it. I also would like to know how he got the notes if he doesn't own the book. Did the seller give up the notes or write them in the description? Too many unknowns here.

9 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

He did say the grader's notes say staple rust with small stains. If there is staining, that is no longer light rust and usually means the majority of the staple has rust.  IMO, the damage is too far along on this book, I would avoid it. Curious about the rust doesn't affect the grade below 8.0 comment. I find this hard to believe, especially with staining. In fact this example is a 7.0 and the rust is mentioned in the notes = it must have affected the grade. 

Ok, re-read his listing. Stains at centerfold is probably still not bad. I'd like to see if there are stains on the cover. It doesn't take much for rust to stain and it doesn't have to be a lot. And like I said, it depends on how the book is stored afterwards. The staples won't continue to rust unless stored in a humid environment.

BTW, storing CGC books in some safes will cause staples to rust. I forgot exactly which ones, but I know this is true.

If the book is a 9.8 other than the printer crease, he would most likely get a 9.8, not a 

On 5/6/2018 at 2:43 PM, The Lions Den said:

Excellent information and very accurate regarding the attainable grade. I have a couple of books that are higher than 9.2 with this type of defect, but the pleat is much smaller and unobtrusive. A larger one, especially if on the front cover, will usually take the book into the 9.2 range. Personally, I don't mind this type of flaw at all...this is still a very attractive book!  

If the book is a 9.8 without the printer crease, then it would most likely stay a 9.8 with that small creases. This is really nothing compared to many other 9.8 books that have much worse printer creases. Check out many of the Marvel Spotlight CGC high grades out there on the market. Those books have tons of printer creases many times and still achieve 9.6 to 9.8. Right now I don't see any for sale or recent sales to give examples.

12 hours ago, c_mkv said:

I’ve avoided books with “Rusty Staples” but am looking at a key silver age 7.0 for my private collection. CGC notes indicate “staple rust with small stains at centrefold”. 

Wondering how much of a perceived negative this is by other, more knowledgeable collectors? Where would it rank against things like stamps, writing, marvel chipping, fingerprints, stains?

 

Thanks in advance for your time

Depends on the degree of rust. Light rust won't do anything, especially if properly stored. I'd avoid anything with heavy rust. Rust itself doesn't affect grades below 8.0 unless staples are literally disintegrating. Don't listen to these guys if the book has only light rust. Buy it if you like it.

7 minutes ago, SilverSniper said:

Sometimes it's a good idea to keep reading before posting. I specifically said "damaged during handling", so shipping is irrelevant. This is not black and white. CGC is liable for damage when the book is in their posession. The question is to what degree damage is considered reasonable as a result of handling. As to that, I don't know, and if you had ept on reading you would see that I and others said OP's best course of action would be to simply call CGC and talk it over before sending anything in.

Something that fragile would most likely not be compensated if something happens. If he's that worried about the piece coming off, then he shouldn't bother getting it graded or take my advice and put a very small piece of tape. Or just sell it and get one in similar condition without such a fragile flaw.

Just by facing the front cover down is a risk of it falling off and trying to support it would probably not help. The pages need to be counted, inspected and make sure nothing is wrong inside. Staples need to be examined inside. Covers need to be examined inside. So that front cover will be facing down and most likely said piece will fall off. Without it in my hands, I can't tell how much or how little it is hanging on by.

7 hours ago, SilverSniper said:

If CGC's handling of the book damages it then they should be held liable. So, take a lot of pictures pre-pack, pack it very well, take pictures post-pack, make sure to set the correct insurance amount, and cross your fingers.  If that comes back with a new tear I think one would be hard pressed to claim it was caused by shipping.

Nope, doesn't work that way. Piece could fall off during the shipping getting banged around. If it's low enough grade, piece there or missing will probably do nothing. The book has to be handled to be graded. AF 15 will be handled by 5-6 people because it's a walkthru. You can put a post-it warning to be careful. If you don't care about a tape notation on the label, put an extremely tiny piece to hold it on, since such a small piece would also not affect the grade in that condition.

Needed to correct the last statement. If the piece is still attached and a piece of tape is helping the tear stay closed and remain intact, there should definitely not be any affect with the grade, but like I mentioned will have the tape notation on the label. If the piece comes off and you re-attach it with tape, it is treated as if the piece was not there and be graded as such, regardless of you putting it back on. So consider what you do before you handle it yourself.

A printing defect like that usually will not affect the grade, same as printer creases unless they are extremely horrible or too many to make the book look unappealing.

Probably missing some ad page or pin up or something. I don't have a copy on hand to know. You may not be missing a wrap, but instead one page before the staple and one page after. I'd check each page before the staple and make sure it's connected to the page after the staple. That's a good start. It is possible a wrap is missing, so you may have connecting front and back pages regardless. Good luck.

5 hours ago, revat said:

probably less than two weeks at this time of year.  I would guess between 3 and 8 business days.  It varies based on the amount of books they need to process.  For example, after a big convention it might take longer because they've just received a bunch of submissions.  This is probably a fairly busy time but not ultra busy yet (like say SDCC).  But if you're really concerned you can try calling and appealing to their humanity, it might give you a bump forward in the queue (thought they'd probably wouldn't admit it for obvious reasons). 

Standard will go through the process in a few weeks. Express and Walkthru 1 to 1 1/2 weeks from getting to CGC to getting back to you. EC or VT or even Modern will take a lot longer at this time.

On 3/30/2018 at 12:09 PM, Impulse said:

Rarely do I have a CGC label error, but curious how this label got by quality control? 

I'm curious as to why you are posting this now. Unless of course you just purchased this on the secondary market. This book was graded in September of 2016, well over a year and half ago and you're mentioning it now. Back then, things slipped by much more than now. 

You don't. I use a scanner for everything flat and it takes about 10 seconds for a scan, then giving it a name for the photo and putting it in a folder. Probably 2 minutes tops to fix the photo to my liking like cropping, straightening, etc.

Ok, to clarify things. Any blank UPC box released by Marvel in the late 1970s that does not indicate either REPRINT on the cover or noted in the indicia is not a reprint by CGC. This #7 was an oversight and is supposedly being fixed. So any time you see any blank UPC box, it should be represented as a regular 1st print. Both blank box and UPC code will be under the same listing with no designation on the label, just the same as normal direct and newsstand editions don't get differentiated unless under special circumstances. Hope this clears up everything.

http://www.comicpedigrees.com

You can read about all the accepted pedigrees on here. There are many self proclaimed pedigrees out there that are not accepted by CGC as pedigrees. There are a couple I believe that used to be noted as pedigrees but are no longer accepted. Most pedigrees have a specific aspect about the comic book: page quality, smell, name written, marks or stamps, etc. You can learn a lot about them with the summaries. 

Thing is people have been trying to figure it out and no one can come up with a definitive answer. So unless some evidence comes along to contradict 100% of what people are calling these, I think things will remain the same, whether it's right or wrong.