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The point that people are making about defects being imperceptible or not is a very important one, especially when you are trying to assess 9.8 grades. Several years ago I feel like minor defects that could be considered imperceptible were recognized in the grading but not assigned a significant weight. The fact that insignificant defects were being "acknowledged" resulted in less 9.8's. Very nice clean looking books were more likely to get 9.6 back then. These days CGC seems to "perceive" a lot fewer defects and 9.8's are a lot more plentiful. The point here is that if you want to grade accurately according to how CGC will grade, you need to figure out how defects are graded but also how CGC "perceives" defects. When CGC uses the word "imperceptible" I believe that is their way of saying that even though those defects are physically present they will pretend they are not.

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I never said that my grade is the "correct grade". The fact that I am grading based on scans lends to some degree of inaccuracy, such as the creases mentioned maybe being less color breaking than they appear to me, or the grader not using the same overall aesthetic interpretation as me. My main point that is irrefutable to anyone who has good eyesight and experience in grading is that 9.6 for this book is ridiculous and the fact that so many people gave it a 9.6 is shocking to me. I have been on these boards for several years and you can tell by the number of posts I have made that not very much that happens on here inspires me to comment on it, 99% of my posts are transactional. I couldn't hold it in on this one, I had to know what people had to say.

If you don't think that the age of a book effects the overall grade you haven't been in this hobby for very long. Representatives of CGC such as Matt Nelson have admitted to that in interviews long ago already, it's a well-established fact, regardless of whether anyone thinks it's right or wrong. I agree that a bend and a crease are not the same thing, but I see those two defects in question as color breaking creases and someone else has posted in this thread that they also believe that the defect in the lower left corner of back cover is a color breaking crease. You have even admitted that the two creases exist without color break. To me we can't really argue over what each other can or can't see but I would call into question the grades that were given for what people have admitted they do see. For instance, just based on the defects you have stated in your first post that you did see, how could you give a 9.8? Obviously, people submitted their grades before they saw the actual grade but I am just shocked that so few people saw those defects, and the people who have commented so far all seem to think the grade is reasonable even though they have all admitted to seeing some of the defects that I have pointed out. That's what I am referring to by people going along, not that there is some conspiracy of some kind.

I would say you over graded the book even if I agreed with your assessment of the defects that are present on it.

I appreciate someone making an insightful comment about this even though I don't agree with it. What appears to be slight color break on the creases mentioned being more pronounced due to the lighting / angle used is possible, but I would still say however, that creases like that even without color break, along with a few color - breaking ticks on the spine, and the overall poor presentation of a MODERN book from the 90's should have never gotten better than 9.2. The significance of my point here has nothing to do with a CGC contest or just being a "sore loser". The point here is that because CGC badly mis graded this book some poor sap will probably pay hundreds of dollars for it when they could buy it in the same exact condition raw on EBAY for $25. Everyone seemingly going along with the grade like there's nothing wrong doesn't incentivize CGC to do a better job.

Thanks for the comment but I am still hoping for a serious response from someone on how they graded that book a NM+ when there is obviously some significant defects on it. CGC over grades comics routinely and it is understandable because their graders are grading tons and tons of books for profit and looking at them very quickly. I'm not surprised a book could get 9.6 from CGC when it isn't even close, what is shocking is that almost all of the non-partisan participants in this contest graded it the same when they had as much time as they wanted to look at it. I am assuming from your comment you are one of the people who graded the book 9.4 or 9.6. Can you tell us why you gave the book that grade? Are you asserting that the defects in my previous message don't exist?

Does anyone care to weigh in on the Veronica # 28? I can see by the statistics that most people graded the book 9.4 - 9.6. I can accept that I am way off in my grade of 8.0 if anyone can justify why a book that appears to have a 1/2" corner crease top right BC, 1/4" corner crease bottom left BC as well as a handful of color breaking spine ticks could acheive such superior grades? Are people saying that because these defects only slightly break color they aren't actually there?

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Very interesting, thank you Johnny

This might sound kind of noobish but why did a book labeled with color touch get a blue label?

That helps tremendously, thank you!

@silverseeker, Thank you for the response. Your experience appears to be very similar to mine from the size of the stain to the color of it. I believe the same as you all do that it is a drop of ink during the production process. On your book and mine color touch just doesn't make sense. I can't recall ever seeing this before so it must be uncommon but evidently it is something that did occur. Out of curiosity, how did you handle that defect with your purchase? I am assuming you have not had that book graded but did you bring it to the seller's attention or just let it go?

Yes I am aware of the dark spot, that is why I took the close up of that spot. I am confused because I have never seen color touch that looks like this, and what would the person be trying to accomplish? There doesn't appear to be any color breaking defect present in that spot and there is no variation in texture or gloss in that area either. I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a printing defect like this before? It could be some kind of accident as well, but I just can't see this being restoration because nothing appears to have been restored in that area.

I bought a book recently which has a small spot on the front cover which can only faintly be seen on the front cover in the middle of the letter E in the word Tales. However, the spot can be seen clearly on the inside of the front cover and appears as a purple spot about half the size of a dime. It is very curious to me because it appears to be a spot of color touch, but it doesn't appear to be "touching up" any kind of color breaking defect. There is absolutely no variation in that spot of texture or color that color touch usually has. Furthermore, that spot has a green letter E with a black border around it against a yellow background. The spot is purple which doesn't incorporate green, black or yellow. My personal opinion is that this is not color touch, but it is strange, so I wanted to turn to the board members to see if anyone has seen this in their experience and if they had a book with this defect graded before. Grading experiences like this or insightful thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

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