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That's how it works routinely in the Arts and Sciences. For CGC though, not at all. Not really. It depends on the area of art and science. If it's proprietary (like a biological firm's drug or medicinal secrets) they won't release it until they can monetize it. Arts and Sciences, not Industry. Besides, academic scientists monetize their commercializable technologies through patents and the University technology transfer system. It doesn't stop them from teaching undergraduates, graduate students, post-doctoral fellows, and junior colleagues how to perform complex techniques they've mastered over many years, and how to think about how to select and address key scientific problems (the art of scientific investigation). No, it does stop them. The engineering labs at large schools are quite top-secret with only the employed grad students and the employed post-docs knowing what is going on. They do not teach their findings until a patent is secured or a spin-off company is spun-up. They may even write a textbook and get profits from that. The hard-science labs will publish findings in journals, it is a requirement to keep tenure, but you are smoking crack if you think these scientists aren't secretive about their experiments until they are ready to publish. Many, not all, but many file for patents before they publish. The patents usually belong to the University but the scientists get the praise and the tenure; occasionally they will even get a cut of profits when the patent, or company, sells. Professors teach what is in the text books, "common knowledge", and profit off of their own research before sharing with the plebian undergrads.

That's how it works routinely in the Arts and Sciences. For CGC though, not at all. Not really. It depends on the area of art and science. If it's proprietary (like a biological firm's drug or medicinal secrets) they won't release it until they can monetize it. Sad but true as I think we'd be much more advanced in those fields if there were more knowledge sharing going on. You'd de- incentivize the entire industry. Without the prospect of a profitable monopoly you can't get the research funded. NOT sharing is what makes research possible That's definitely a point against it and I really do understand that. I still believe in a lot of a cases a better system could be developed which could benefit more people by the advancement of knowledge and still retain profitability. Greed just plays too big a part in the whole equation for that to happen. Edit: Here is a super simplified example of what I'm trying to say: Company A puts $10 million into R&D for a specific drug that they predict will be a $20 million a year drug. Company B is doing the same thing. Company A and Company B have both figured out a few different things working to create this drug that the other hasn't yet. They don't want to share that information because they don't want to share the $20 million a year they will get from the drug. However, if they had worked together they could have put the drug on the market 2 years earlier, split the profits and be working on another project. Again, over simplified but that's kind of the concept I was implying with the knowledge sharing being a beneficial thing. What you are talking about happens all the time. I worked for a small biotech research firm and we had partnerships with Proctor and Gamble and SmithKline. When a major company, like P&E, puts out a new drug, process, or piece of equipment there is frequently a smaller partner in the wings making a profit off of it as well.

Holy fudge! Nice book!

No one who has been paying attention expects CGC ( or practically anyone else) to guarantee they will grade a book the same way twice. Grading is too subjective, and prone to shifting assessments of what the sum of the flaws should mean. In part the faith in CGC's grading is that it is impartial, not that it is absolute. It would be nice if CGC appeared to be a bit more consistent some times, but that's what you are going to get with multiple graders, even if they are using the same criteria. To repeat, there are no absolute grades, the best we can do is find a fairly tight ( generally 2-3 grades) range that most knowledgeable people can agree on. Does CGC sometimes fall outside of a general consensus of what that might be? Yes, and a 7.0 for this particular book may be such a case, but it is hardly unique, and even the most trusted and consistent of graders may at times find their opinion at odds with the bulk of the collecting community. Hush, you! Reasonableness is not allowed in this thread. Please hold your comments so that we can hear more about how the U.S. is artificially inflating OA prices by printing money and how sociopaths are running CGC.

That 5.5 is the highest grade copy I have seen. Here is mine.

Didn't PSA have a monopoly on card grading at one time They did, and then an obvious competitor in BGS started up. Obvious because they were behind the price guide Beckett. Overstreet would be the logical company to start a competitor. PSA is still number 1, but BGS is 1a. Then you have a few other companies that no one takes seriously. Overstreet would be the perfect candidate, as most people use them for thier grading standards anyway You mean like these standards where Overstreet adapted CGC standards?

As someone who only sells CGC'd books on his website I'd say you're hardly unbiased. Staus quo much? Not the status quo...just a realistic approach to an unrealistic expectation. The fact that people here expect perfection from an imperfect product is laughable. The only thing I agree w/in this entire thread is that CGC has a responsibility to handle the situation correctly...and that's on them and only them. Its not the responsibility of this community to determine what they should or shouldn't do..and casting stones before all the information is available is not only ignorant, but shows true colors by many. Take it for what you want...if a mistake was made, is it the end of the world? No...my power still comes on, my fridge still keeps my food cold and I still have a roof over my head.. Its shameful all these first world problems us comic collectors and dealer's have... No one expects perfection. That's not the problem here. Are you honestly gonna tell me that this major SA key, with distinctive faults that a stink was made about and was talked about and shown To everyone in the building with grading credibility wasn't recognized a month later when resubbed? I don't believe that for a second Here's the thing: when faced with multiples of something you don't really have a vested interest in; you forget about it. For example, I work in I.T. and users, unasked, give me their passwords all the time. I have trained myself to forget them, instantly; otherwise, I would literally have hundreds of useless passwords wondering around in my poor abused brain. Unless the book is a true rarity like Double-Action Comics, these graders probably forget the book before they even leave the building for the night. That may be true however I doubt it considering the stink made over this book a month earlier and it's distinctive faults. What makes me REALLY doubt it was myself being flat out told my Avengers 4 was remembered MANY months later and WOULD be remembered if I tried another resub! I 100% believe you and I would be very frustrated and pissed off if that had happened to me. Through your actions you may have made your AV #4 stick out, like a rare comic, in their mind. I do not know if SD did the same.

This is the only hubbub we know about. How many do they deal with in a day? To you, this is the end of the CGC world as we know it; to them, at the time, it could have been just one more book to check for a trim. We do not know how they reviewed the book when SD asked; we just know they said that every grader looked at it again. The context it was reviewed is unknown.

As someone who only sells CGC'd books on his website I'd say you're hardly unbiased. Staus quo much? Not the status quo...just a realistic approach to an unrealistic expectation. The fact that people here expect perfection from an imperfect product is laughable. The only thing I agree w/in this entire thread is that CGC has a responsibility to handle the situation correctly...and that's on them and only them. Its not the responsibility of this community to determine what they should or shouldn't do..and casting stones before all the information is available is not only ignorant, but shows true colors by many. Take it for what you want...if a mistake was made, is it the end of the world? No...my power still comes on, my fridge still keeps my food cold and I still have a roof over my head.. Its shameful all these first world problems us comic collectors and dealer's have... No one expects perfection. That's not the problem here. Are you honestly gonna tell me that this major SA key, with distinctive faults that a stink was made about and was talked about and shown To everyone in the building with grading credibility wasn't recognized a month later when resubbed? I don't believe that for a second Here's the thing: when faced with multiples of something you don't really have a vested interest in; you forget about it. For example, I work in I.T. and users, unasked, give me their passwords all the time. I have trained myself to forget them, instantly; otherwise, I would literally have hundreds of useless passwords wondering around in my poor abused brain. Unless the book is a true rarity like Double-Action Comics, these graders probably forget the book before they even leave the building for the night.

So.....jealous!

Simply awesome, PodBoy!

Very nice books. I snagged the #12. Now there you go!! That is definitely another very hard DD to obtain in 9.4 ow/w or better. Congrats on a great book and a great copy!! (thumbs u Thanks guys! It came in today and it looks better in person.

My one Silver Age pickup from ComicConnect

Nice books!

Cool that it has Kirby's sig in there with Stan's!

That is a really cool cover. I would hate to meet the "Monster of all evil"!

the best cover in that run HELP me someone!!!!!! I'm trying. I'm too low grade Quit teasing people like me. Jeff, your sig line is a tease When my sig grows up it wants to be yours, Ben.

the best cover in that run HELP me someone!!!!!! I'm trying. I'm too low grade Quit teasing people like me.

That's a nice copy! Very strong colors on the central image. Captain America with a machine gun.

My one GA purchase from CC this week.

That is shweeeeet #33!

Wow, is this a pedigree copy or just a really outstanding one?

Very nice books. I snagged the #12.