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Just now, James J Johnson said:

Yes, that was nice of you and shows that unlike me. you are not woefully devoid of all social graces, like calling people "jerks". 

But defending Ref is not all you did. You added a claim that "all of your purchases from BBC graded the same at CGC". 

That's the part of this that seems highly improbable, especially without any proof. 

Right, so in the "take it or leave it" scenario I mentioned, you seem inclined to leave it, which is fine by me. 👍

1 minute ago, James J Johnson said:

Listen, you know better than this. You know which books are really rare. You're a Golden age guy, I saw all your sales threads. You should know that if you have a claim like you did, a wildly fantastic one at that, about BBCs books you bought all grading the same at CGC, something that improbable should be backed up with before and after images. Like I presented throughout this thread to accompany each and every example I cited. Proof. The best kind. The purchase and subsequent resale listings, the images, the shills, etc., etc. It's all there.

Do the same to support your claim. If you can't, just go into your paypal account and search your activity for BBCs payment email address. It'll pop up. Even if it's from more than a year ago, I can find the exact listings you cite, all I need is the date, I have everything and what I don't, I can find. 

Now you came to make a claim for exoneration. So back up that claim with hard proof, or give me the dates and I'll do the rest. Same way I presented proof throughout this thread. Would you expect me to believe your claim without even a shred of proof, and why would you even make that claim without it?

I dont expect anything from you lol.

7 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Yes. I suspected no proof of the claim "all of your raw purchases graded the same by CGC" would be forthcoming. Why else do you think I asked? 

With your fantastic claim of all of the books you purchased from BBC grading the same at CGC, based on my research into the seller, why do you assume I would ask a question of you that I already didn't know the answer to? Or believe that claim without a shred of proof? Knowing what I know. 

Yes. Your answer is exactly as expected. It simply confirmed what I already knew for all reading the thread. Nothing more, nothing less, jerk as I may be. It's 4 AM and I'm going to go jerk myself a soda and be headed to sleep if you want to catch some shuteye. You won't have to anticipate the next post from me to run defense for awhile. I think we covered it all right here on this page anyway. Just another piece of the puzzle. 

 

You're really an immature person_too_unaware_of_social_graces.  The only reason I'm even on this thread is to vouch for 956ref who you accused of being a scammer (and apparently you still feel it was a justified accusation to make 👎👎).

3 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Yep. It's all just a hazy memory, all tangible evidence you may have of the books that graded the same by CGC. So you do remember that you bought books that graded the same, but beyond the lone AS 300, everything is hazy? You didn't save any purchase or sales records? No notes. No images. No associated emails. No proof of your claim of uniquely exceptional good fortune, in other words. I understand. Not a surprise. I had suspected the accounting of the results was purely anecdotal..   

 

I dont need to go dig up any tangible evidence of a few books i onced flipped, because im not trying to prove anything to you, and i couldnt care less whether you believe me or not. im not defending bbc, and i certainly dont need to defend myself to you, jerk.  you suspected it was anecdotal?  i told you it was anecdotal, so take it or leave it, i dont care.  

10 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Can you take a pic? Shouldn't  be much trouble to humor a fellow boardie. Can you take a pic of it in the CGC 9.4 holder if you still have it? I have all the before pics from all of his $500 and up listings. Be interesting to match up the raw you bought with the same CGC result. What was the date of your win? You must still have that info, no? 

Any other wins you can remember that graded the same at CGC? 

So far, the majority of this thread features books that were bought raw from BBC at CGC grades well below the BBC touted grades. I think that in all fairness, it would behoove us to examine BBC raw listings that returned from CGC "right on the money", so I ask for that reason since all of your raw purchases were graded the same by CGC. Only fair to BBC to flip the coin and see what's on the other side. . 

i dont have it anymore, i sold it well over a year ago.  i havent purchased anything recent off him.  i buy and sell a fair number of books and the few i got off him are all long gone.  i recall thinking at one point that his auctions were really too popular to score a deal on so i stopped specifically watching his stuff.

i dont have dates or any specific info.  just my anecdotal memories is all i can offer. 🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Which books did you buy from BBC that graded at CGC right on the money? Are you able to please share that info with us? Maybe a few images of them now CGC graded? Love to see them. 

Last one was an ASM 300 he had at nm and it came back 9.4.  nothing recent.  no i dont have pics.

9 minutes ago, Poekaymon said:

No matter what proof you find, or how many people verify something, there is always someone to say "but I bought from him and it was fine."  Happens with kellyssuperheroes as well.  Well, sure.  They don't have to defraud 100% of the time.  But I'd say any percentage over 0 is cause for shame, yes?

100% correct!  i will make a point to never buy from him again.  just saying i got lucky when i bought before cuz i had no idea he was a scammer. 👍 and yeah i dont ever buy off kellyssuperheroes.

4 minutes ago, James J Johnson said:

Not a second chance offer, which in this case was circumstantial evidence, which is sometimes presented in a case and then thrown out if disproved, as we did. 

Well I'm glad the case against Daniel appears to have been dismissed. 👍

I'm just suggesting that statements like "This is BeatleBlueCat" and "This is BBC's forum ID" are unequivocal statements of guilt that you made before having all the facts.

Seems resolved now in any event.  Now to go find some books on ebay auctions that are not shill bid sellers, which is an almost impossible task these days lol.

I have actually won books from this beatlecat fellow in the past and luckily they all came back from cgc right on the money.  in retrospect, it appears i may have merely dodged the landmines and gotten lucky.

1 minute ago, James J Johnson said:

Now how on earth would I do that unless I contacted every anonymized bidder on that bidder's list and asked them if they "won" it with a second chance offer? And what are the chances that if it was BBC, that he simply wouldn't respond or lie? 

Look at the bidding. My interpretation was sound. The fact that it was shilled and then Ref received a second chance offer is unknown. Between the seller and the underbidder alone if the winner is the shill. If the bidding shows that BBC won his own book, whomever shows up with images of it uncommon to the listing a week or two later is the winner, right? 

BBC's shill practices made Ref the victim in this case. My question is, was the second chance offer $2100 or did Ref have to pay his secondary bid,$2300 and change, because he had two bids stacked that BBC beat? 

There's lots of ways to inquire or research something.  But you toss out a very serious accusation which is immediately met with a post of Daniel's action on the boards, his sales posts, etc, and then a question about nominating him for the HOS.

And people hitting him up privately now telling him he needs to prove he's innocent.

It's like a 1920's lynchmob up in here sometimes. 🤷‍♂️

956ref is not beatlebluecat.  I know Daniel, he's legit, a friend of mine.  We actually talked about that GSX1 when it was up for auction cuz he's been looking for a copy, we both thought it looked 8.0 range.

I was actually unaware of the shadiness of beatlebluecat until Daniel pointed me toward this thread, which is now apparently accusing him of being this guy lol.

956ref is a cool dude and an honorable community member.

For what it's worth....  I don't think that crease will affect the grade as much as one might think, because that is a common production defect on that book that I think CGC is aware of based on numerous other slabbed copies I've seen that have this crease.  I actually owned two copies of this book, bought from a closed down shop's storage unit recently.  Both copies had this exact same crease.  I ended up selling both copies raw.  Anyway, although it's a semi-significant defect, I suspect CGC might be a little easier than usual on grading since it's a production defect.

One and only price drop before pulling it.  I feel like this is a pretty fair price on one of the best 8.5's you'll ever find of this book.

I really expected a higher grade, it's a really clean copy. 

$300   $280.  90-day GPA is $296 and rising.  Last three sales:  $296, $335, $340.

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Final price drop.

22 minutes ago, MatterEaterLad said:

It was my impression that he's a full time grader now. I think he would have to be. If he were working for CCS and also for CGC as a grader it would be a huge conflict of interest for him to be grading his own work at CCS. 

Last interview I watched with him (a month or two ago), he said he was more management than anything these days, that he really wasnt grading books that often anymore.  My guess is he works on certain things at CCS, like a consv or resto issue, and may step in to grade a big book at CGC, but otherwise he's pretty much in a boss role. 🤷‍♂️

11 minutes ago, joeypost said:

Thank you for explaining your definition. I do agree with you in some cases. 

I actually think of the word "cobbling" when i see the entire cover with a bumpy pattern, reminiscent of a cobblestone street.  And really, if there is a small piece of dirt on the press or the book that makes a single impression, that seems literally like a pebbling from a literal pebble lol.  The joys of language, another art form that is fun to play with! 👍

7 minutes ago, joeypost said:

Imprinting whatever is on a dirty platen is not pebbling. It's just bad workmanship. To be honest, I cannot see pebbling happen in both examples unless the book or platen would be covered in sand. 

Well to me, pebbling refers to any amount of pebbly pattern, small bumps/divots on a comic cover from improper pressing.  It can be just a couple small areas when a press or the book is not clean, or it can be across the entire cover, like often happens when people press books directly on the grid-patterned foam bottom of most t-shirt presses, or they use a bumpy, non-smooth material on top or bottom of the book.  When it looks like small pebbles have been pressed into the book, to me that's pebbling.  Some is obviously more severe than others, but I think pebbling can refer to all of this.  I'm fine if you want to come up with a bunch of different terms for each specific instance based on the number of "pebbles" there are, but pebbling seems to cover this whole category for me. 

Bump for a big price drop, tough books to find with the 3-D glasses.

4 hours ago, kimik said:

You should see what some sellers (and a large dealer) are doing to books by pressing their own books now. On some books I have gotten extra bits and pieces of things pressed into the covers as well since they are not bothering to clean the press bed or the book. Just a quick pancake to flatten it and then onto the customer.

Yep, I often see that pebbling on books - a clear sign it was pressed with a dirty press, or the book was not properly cleaned first.

5 hours ago, StreetPreacher said:

What equipment do you use?  Are you also using one of those heatpress machines designed for transferring designs onto t-shirts?  It looks like the only economical way to do it yourself?  Unless you use my method?

I'm using a t-shirt press, and I bought a 1/8th inch aluminum plate for the bottom, and of course I'm using far less heat than one would normally use for t-shirt pressing.  It works great if you don't cut corners on prep.  I have seen guys who use the hand iron method for quickly pressing out small bends on the edges.  I actually tried that when I was younger, in the 90's, lol.

For both books:  $400  $325  $295

Selling as a set, not breaking them up at this time.

Thanks for looking!

Both books are the original 1953 editions with the original glasses included, albeit detached.

Superman is a 3.0 - structurally solid, but a stain on back cover brings the grade down.  The stain is well visible inside back cover but not that noticeable on the outside of back cover.  Fully attached, supple pages, bright cover.  Glasses are slightly tanned, cellophane is fully attached, no major damage to speak of.

Batman is a 4.0 - just some general wear, nothing particularly noteworthy.  Fully attached, supple.  Glasses in same condition as the Supe glasses - looks like a kid back in the day detached them and cut along the dotted line.

Many of you know me from instagram, @dscomicspch, and I have been selling for years on Ebay with a 100% positive feedback (dscomicspch) so buy with confidence!

SHIPPING:  $14 shipped in the US, which includes signature confirmation.  I take pride in my packing, and all books will ship within 2 business days after payment is received.  Shipping will be priority mail in a sturdy non-USPS box.

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PAYMENT via paypal, due within 3 business days.

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