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Let me add that we are all ignoring the absence, in most cases, of color. For an average person, it matters. Best analogy I can think of is Chinese calligraphy. If you study it, I have no doubt it has value. For me, none at all.

No, because sequential art is connected to a story. Fine art is the story. A splash page is not a story. Don't get me wrong, I love this hobby. It's fun, it connects me with my past, and I get to see some really creative stuff. But it is substantially dependent on people who have background knowledge of what they are looking at. Maybe that's the reason most poltical cartooning has not increased in value as much as one might otherwise think it should. People don;t know history that well, or what is shown in the image isn't that historical to them.

You have been damn'd to hell for eterinity! [ominous music sounds in background] It's your stuff, do whatever you want.

Since you asked, there are several reasons. First, a large part of OA's pricing is dependent upon nostalgia and that very definitely affects price. Fine art stands on its own: it can be appreciated, and will appreciate in price, without knowing the level of detail which separates, say, the first appearance of Wolverine from the artist's other work or a particular story line. Second, it is not dependent on carrying a portion of a story, like OA, which is a particular issue when getting to panel pages, and will definitely affect non-fans. Third, fine art is less dependent on the characters involved, although subject matter does matter (I expect Renoir's ballarinas would sell for more than, say, a picture of a dead parrot). Fourth, Toulouse-Lautrec aside, most of the market growth these days in fine art is not particularly representatonal, but more abstract. You can't really do that with OA. And a real biggie, there is the absence of color (which is making me suspect that those color guides may one day sell for more). So no, in my view, Jim Lee's X-Men won't hang onto high prices in 30 years because the X-Men won't be that big a deal. Kind of like buying cowboy comic art today but on a much grander scale.

Related question. There is a piece I have been interested in for quite some time, and it has been pencilled and inked. I was thinking of asking the artist if he could modify it. Is that even possible, except with a paste-up to cover a bit of the original?

In NY?

I don’t think you realize how popular they were. It wasn’t just FDR who collected them. Kids collected them, stamps with upside down Flying Jennies were a big deal, and of course they were central to the conclusion of Charade— and the movie going public “got it”. There won’t be a single die off, I think, but a slow one. So its not like targeting.just one group, but groups slowly phasing out.

Send it by Paypal, but not with the free "friends and family" option, to get you a little protection from fraud.

Optimist.

This assumes the same people will be in the market. Stamps died with the older generations. When the market shrinks, it will fall in slices, the way average 1970’s art has gone quiet. As people age out, the newer generation won’t care too much about older pieces and artists (although, true classics may hold up better). Plus, they have a high debt load from college and greater interest in activities over collecting. So, I don’t foresee a 50% drop in prices, so much as a hollowing out with a lot of unsold pieces priced based on older sales, and then a scary drop when heirs or the cash hungry sell. But, cheap pieces will do okay for their decorative value.

Thanks. What about something unpublished that looks like a panel page?

I didn't want to start a whole new thread for this question, so I figured this would do. Does anyone have familiarity with Jason Shawn Alexander's work? What about pricing/value? I was looking at some posted things, and I liked what I saw. Reminds me a little of Sienkiewicz.

Excuse me, but I liked Thor 1 (Thor 2, not so much).

I was wondering if the pricing at SDCC seemed specially priced high for the con, or reflects a market disconnect generally? Are perhaps dealers are unwilling to lower their prices because it will reduce the value of their inventory, perhaps to avoid a problem with loan security?

Nah, that’s a double size, probably a double E from my experience. And I would estimate a 40 for the width, Maybe drawn with a bra which hides the nipples.

Appreciate the note, but I saw that one a few days ago on-line. Anything else?

Anybody see any Phantom Stranger pieces (or art with the character in it)?

I was thinking more main stream; not so much out of an interest in debauchery, but whether some less than sterling character has been exhibited besides things like assault and battery, breaking and entering, and the more common crimes heroes regularly commit in the name of justice.

For an accidental thread, this is getting fun. How about any stories where a superhero uses his powers to get laid? Not cute, romantic stories, but really going at it.

Actually, I once bought one. It was a few hundred over market, I think, but frankly, the market for buyers of Phantom Stranger art is what I would call “petite”, and they were probably happy to sell it.

Just a supposition, but given his apparent views on the commercial sale of art, why do you think his action was just a coincidence?

Don’t know, either. But I would like to see it done more in a lighter way. Sort of like starting a thread by accident.

I agree with you on this, which is one reason prices in the future of the old classics will drop. Don't forget that artists are not only better paid now, but they have expanded artistic freedom which has really grown since Adams was first active.

Indirectly raising an interesting question: have we ever seen a super-hero get sh*t-faced drunk in a comic and then do something stupid (like Green Lantern tying one on and then etching Carol Ferris's picture on a planet?). Would make for an interesting story line.

This one, too.