RockMyAmadeus

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That wasn't what happened Speedy and you know it. He used the threat of PL to call a guy out to complete a transaction... then said he wasn't going to sell him the book AND continue with trying to put him on the PL. No matter how dbagy the guy was, that can't be done. And I'm not taking the guy's side either, he should have just paid for the book... but RMA bringing it here and going through the motions to get to the point to nominate the guy for inclusion to the PL... is the steps to COMPLETE a transactions that has been started between two boardies. Its not right to dangle completion and then go all coitus interruptus on the guy no matter how bad his attitude is in the sales bed. Knowing RMA's pleasantness here on the boards, I'm sure his notification of PL discussion and 72 hour time frame was probably the most sweet and sincere thing the guy had ever read as well. Again the guy was wrong in dragging out the sale... but the PL discussion board and 72 hour notification rule did what it was supposed to do if the guy offered to pay for the item... which is complete the sale. Really? You questioned his sanity, and said you've done so on many occasions. Sorry if I'm wrong, but that felt like standard jump-on-RMA stuff. Would you have said that to me if I offered someone up for the PL, the dude was then a person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed and I said I no longer wanted to have anything to do with him? Once he was told he couldn't put the kid on the PL without having to be open to a resolution, he let it go, no? Yes Speedy, I probably would have if you would have offered someone up to the PL and acted the same way. The way its now beginning to appear is that RMA wasn't going to sell the book to the kid no matter what the kid did. RMA himself stated this... I read that as "I don't want him to pay now (after using the PL discussion board's 72 hour response rule to make him pay)... I want to stick it to him". I am not an RMA basher. Yep I question his sanity... but that's not bashing. Just pointing out that RMA can't use the PL discussion board to make someone pay, then not accept their payment, and then be disappointed he can't put them on the PL list. My comment about his sanity stems from RMA stating my posts were out of some sort of spite towards him... which isn't the case since I want him to complete the sale. I just think he's mad because his actions show what spite is and he's using the PL discussion board not for it's intended use, which I hate to tell you first and foremost is to "complete" transactions" between boardies. The PL list warns others of uncompleted transactions... the discussion trys to prevent it from getting that far. Couple of things need to be pointed out again. First, the Probation List is, first and foremost, to warn others of those who act in bad faith. Second...offering to sell to those on the Probation List under specific conditions is not "spitting on it." It is recognizing the fact that it is an extremely flawed system, demonstrated by the fact that I have been threatened with being put on it myself for (A) offering to sell to those on it, and (B) refusing to sell a book to someone who behaves like a smartass brat. Acknowledging that is not "spitting on it." It does serve a purpose, even in its flawed state. In fact, accepting and living by its conditions, even if I don't like them, is the opposite of "spitting on it." There continue to be people here who act in bad faith with their posts. Third, questioning someone's sanity in public is very much bashing them, and it is laughably disingenuous to claim otherwise. Fourth, Bio-Rupp continues to state things which are untrue. I did not "use the PL to get him to pay." That's coercion and manipulation and NOT what the PL is for. I wanted kitsune on the PL because he failed to follow through with a transaction, and did it in a disrespectful way. The reply to the PL notice was simply the icing on the cake. That he skated on a technicality is one of the reasons why the PL is flawed (see above.) Finally, I have already stated my motives and reasons for doing what I have done. Therefore, continued "I think he's doing this because of that" speculations are just veiled insults. I do wish he'd stop saying these things.

Why are you attempting to have a conversation with someone whose sanity you question...? Wouldn't that make your own sanity questionable?

That you need to insult me because I said "I question your motives" only proves the point. You are, for the fourth time, mistaken. I did not "ASK" for payment. As for "shutting up"...I did that a long time ago. It would be nice if you could do the same. What point are you making RMA? The PL is used to attempt to "finish" transactions started between boardies. The PL is "asking" the offender to complete the deal. Where did that understanding fly by you? Would you yourself really be comfortable completing this transaction after the buyer's response? Don't you think that even if he did pay for the book and RMA ships it, there would be some shenanigans coming up (chargeback, not as described, etc., etc.)? Seeing this buyer's attitude and the fact that he kept dragging this out until he was called out, I wouldn't deal with him either. RMA may not technically be able to put him on the list if he refuses to sell to him, but the buyer's name is now mud here. Also true. All I'm saying is... don't dangle the PL in front of someone, get them to agree to pay to stay off the PL (no matter how dbaggedly they answered)... and then pull the option away from them. That's spite RMA. I really don't think so. The kid's been a jerk the whole time, putting RMA off and generally treting everything very lightly, then he comes back with his stupid comments ... are you really telling me you'd sell him the comic at that point? What a tool the kid's being, for real!! The point of the PL is to "finish" transactions between boardies, Speedy. Do you agree? If not, why bring it here in the first place? First of all, this isn't the PL. This is the PL Discussion thread, and the point of it is exactly what's going on. Second, the point of the PL is to get the offender to do the right thing; and to warn others of malefactors; and to finish transactions when and where possible, or otherwise find an acceptable solution. RMA may well have been willing to accept the kid's payment if he hadn't been such a tool about it. I assume he would have, you probably assume he wouldn't, but neither of us really knows. The way I see it, RMA wanted to put the kid on the PL for the same reasons everyone else does, and would have (perhaps grudgingly) accepted something from the kid to get him off the list. Then the person_who_is_obnoxiously_self-impressed douches around, and RMA says, "Screw it, you suck and I'm done with you." :shrug: You are correct.

The point of the Probation List is to warn others of members who behave in bad faith. "Finishing a transaction", if it's even possible, is secondary.

The point of the Probation List is to warn others of members who behave in bad faith. "Finishing a transaction", if it's even possible, is secondary.

The point of the Probation List is to warn others of members who behave in bad faith. "Finishing a transaction", if it's even possible, is secondary.

In any event, thanks for the info Speedy. Since kitsune has skated by on a loophole, I would simply encourage folks to personally bar him from future sales. Thanks C4F and Speedy, as always.

That you need to insult me because I said "I question your motives" only proves the point. You are, for the fourth time, mistaken. I did not "ASK" for payment. As for "shutting up"...I did that a long time ago. It would be nice if you could do the same.

I thought so at first, but I think he's serious. I'm serious in the fact that no matter how much of a dbag the guy is, you can't put him on the PL if he offers to pay for the item. Yeah, I hear you there. I'm thinking RMA can put him on the PL, but would then have to accept his payment and take him off. Knowing the kid's MO, I'd say there's a good chance he won't actually pay up. I agree in that he probably won't. But the point is he answered RMA's request and threat of the PL and offered to pay (dbaggedly but still did)... and then RMA states he won't sell it to him? I think that's textbook spite RMA Of course you do. You do, however, have an odd definition of the word "spite."

Do you mean your post of July 17? I understand that you have been trying to get a satisfactory response via PM, but have you sent him a PM specifically saying "I am nominating you for the PL list" etc. The rules give the offender 72hrs after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story. Wait, the offender has to reply HERE? Cool. Kitsune...? Tell your side of the story. Time for the PL. He doesn't have to. You just gotta send him a PM and then give him 72 hours to tell his side, if he wants to. Which he did and the guy offered to pay... no matter how unappreciative he did it... he did offer to pay. Not saying he will...just that according to RMA post of his PM here... that he did offer. True, which would put a cramp in RMA's style if he were still trying to put the dude on the PL (is he?). But it doesn't give kitsune the right to turn the tables. Could be but not addressed in the rules. Isn't it? After 30 days, if the buyer hasn't paid, their deal has gone south. The seller is free to resell, or put the buyer on the PL. If the seller were at the mercy of the buyer's coming back at any time demanding the comic, that'd make little sense, don't you think? That would be counter-intuitive, I agree. Given the purpose and intent of "the list", the potential probie isn't given such power or ability. All I'm saying is Chris... if RMA brings it here and wants to paid, and the guy offers to pay... no matter how rude he is, the whole reason behind coming to this thread worked. You are, for the third time, mistaken. I accept the fact that he cannot be put on the PL if he offers to pay. I was hoping he would ignore that, so that he could be put on the probation list. This is, as has been mentioned, not the first time he has done this. However, due to the consistently disrespectful manner in which kitsune has behaved (asking for additional time to pay AFTER posting an unqualified , promising to pay by the end of June, then not paying without any notification as to why, ignoring PMs, then stating that he wouldn't be paying until after SDCC, etc etc etc,), I have chosen not to sell the book to him. If that gets him off the PL hook...so be it. It should not, however, then turn around and be grounds for putting me on instead. I question your motives.

Do you mean your post of July 17? I understand that you have been trying to get a satisfactory response via PM, but have you sent him a PM specifically saying "I am nominating you for the PL list" etc. The rules give the offender 72hrs after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story. Wait, the offender has to reply HERE? Cool. Kitsune...? Tell your side of the story. Time for the PL. He doesn't have to. You just gotta send him a PM and then give him 72 hours to tell his side, if he wants to. "The rules give the offender 72 hours after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story" and "He doesn't have to (reply with his side of the story)" are contradictory statements.

Do you mean your post of July 17? I understand that you have been trying to get a satisfactory response via PM, but have you sent him a PM specifically saying "I am nominating you for the PL list" etc. The rules give the offender 72hrs after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story. Wait, the offender has to reply HERE? Cool. Kitsune...? Tell your side of the story. Time for the PL. He doesn't have to. You just gotta send him a PM and then give him 72 hours to tell his side, if he wants to. Which he did and the guy offered to pay... no matter how unappreciative he did it... he did offer to pay. Not saying he will...just that according to RMA post of his PM here... that he did offer. True, which would put a cramp in RMA's style if he were still trying to put the dude on the PL (is he?). But it doesn't give kitsune the right to turn the tables. Could be but not addressed in the rules. Isn't it? After 30 days, if the buyer hasn't paid, their deal has gone south. The seller is free to resell, or put the buyer on the PL. If the seller were at the mercy of the buyer's coming back at any time demanding the comic, that'd make little sense, don't you think? The buyer responded to him yesterday... not a year later. You are, again, mistaken.

Do you mean your post of July 17? I understand that you have been trying to get a satisfactory response via PM, but have you sent him a PM specifically saying "I am nominating you for the PL list" etc. The rules give the offender 72hrs after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story. Wait, the offender has to reply HERE? Cool. Kitsune...? Tell your side of the story. Time for the PL. Pretty much looks like RMA is going for the PL Yeah, that's a different story. RMA, if you put the guy on the PL, you gotta honor his attempt to make things right, douchey though it may be. I did not "bring it here and WANT" payment. Kitsune failed to honor his word and pay for something in a timely manner that he claimed. In addition, he attempted to add payment terms to the sale that weren't agreed upon prior to his claiming the item. If a buyer can 1. not pay without the threat of the PL; 2. attempt to add their own terms to a sale without approvale; 3. be disrespectful and snide about it; and then put the SELLER on the PL list for choosing not to sell to them after all that, there is something grossly wrong with the whole process. My terms of sale are clear. I reserved the right to not do business with whomever I chose. Kitsune had 30 days to pay, and he refused, even violating his own promise to pay by the end of June. Bio-Rupp is simply posting out of spite.

I really, REALLY dislike having to deal with smartass brats whose word isn't worth the pixels on the screen, but I will respect the mores of the board and not put him on the probation list if I cannot do it without actually selling him the book. I will not, however, sell the book to him. He can find it elsewhere. I find it extremely distasteful that this "gentleman" can avoid the probation list at the 11th hour, but if those are the rules, I will respect them. This guy clearly has no respect for this board, basic manners, or even his own word. Remember when a man's word was as good as gold? I don't, because I was born in the '70s. I've heard that it was really cool, though. Well if you won't sell him the book... can't he put you on the PL list, RMA? 30 days are well up, so nope. If he offers to pay for the book and RMA refuses... especially after bringing it here and WANTING payment... seems only fair. You are mistaken.

Do you mean your post of July 17? I understand that you have been trying to get a satisfactory response via PM, but have you sent him a PM specifically saying "I am nominating you for the PL list" etc. The rules give the offender 72hrs after getting notice to reply here with their side of the story. Wait, the offender has to reply HERE? Cool. Kitsune...? Tell your side of the story. Time for the PL.

I have received a response from kitsune: I really, REALLY dislike having to deal with smartass brats whose word isn't worth the pixels on the screen, but I will respect the mores of the board and not put him on the probation list if I cannot do it without actually selling him the book. I will not, however, sell the book to him. He can find it elsewhere. I find it extremely distasteful that this "gentleman" can avoid the probation list at the 11th hour, but if those are the rules, I will respect them. This guy clearly has no respect for this board, basic manners, or even his own word. Remember when a man's word was as good as gold? I don't, because I was born in the '70s. I've heard that it was really cool, though.

He flaked out on me (never responded to PMs) on an Infinity Gauntlet set that I resold. I didn't nominate him to the PL because I didn't want to bother waiting, but he's obviously a problem. HIlariously - he posted in another one of my sales threads saying he wanted to buy some Gen13s from me - but of course, didn't have the money. Unfortunately, I didn't recall his name until long after - and I missed a prime opportunity to say something. Guys like this are why I have a three-day payment rule. Flake.

Dingleberry!!! Did you send him the separate PM about bringing him here and whatnot? Now I have.

Name for the Probation List: kitsune Posted an unqualified on 6/21 in my sales thread for an X-Men #248 SS. Sent a PM asking if he could wait until the end of the month to pay (though no arrangement was sought PRIOR to posting ) I said that was fine, and made no mention of the lack of payment arrangement prior to hitting the End of June came and went with no payment. July 4, sent a PM asking if I had missed payment somehow. Unread until July 8. No response after being read. Sent a PM July 9 saying "please tell me if you are no longer interested in the book." Response: "Been busy, sorry, I'll have to hit you up after SDCC." No request for more time, just a statement that he wasn't going to pay until after SDCC (if at all.) Obviously, hitting me up after SDCC was not acceptable. No payment.

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