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26 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

I remember when I first starting submitting books from my mostly Silver Age collection, I thought there was a conspiracy going on and CGC was deliberately giving my books inferior grades. I highly suspected only the big players got the grades.

Wow... thank you for that post! I am in the exact same position now... and you have cured me of my paranoia.

Most of it. LOL  Truly, though, thanks.

Interesting thread. I must ponder this information for a moment...

Assuming you won this auction...

Marvel-Atlas STRANGE TALES #40, Art by Joe Manelly, Bill Everett, Very Fine 1955

CGC approved the book for sticker removal... so we shall see!

I'm gonna say 6.0.

Sadly, this is a soon-to-be PLOD-der... but still...

2 hours ago, Webhead2018 said:

Huh?

Pull the book I started the thread with. You know, the FF48 I mentioned?

On 11/3/2018 at 10:28 AM, Webhead2018 said:

Ya I get that. Just sucks though if your at a show cgc or someone certified by cgc isn't there and you get something signed. It would be nice to still get it authentication and what not.

Yeah. I had CGC pull this from my batch... gonna consider other options.

20 minutes ago, marvelmaniac said:

I have never dealt with CGC, do you get to request a label designation and if so did you???

I've only started to recently, and have no idea. I don't believe you can... there's no place for it on the submission form. 

But frankly, both of those options you describe sound unappealing to me. A Green label, or a Blue label with a drop in grade.

Hmm... yeah, I didn't take a photo of it before I shipped it, unfortunately.

I would grade it, based on comps I've gotten back from CGC so far recently, at a 6.5 or so. If that's the case, how much of a drop might you guess?

EDIT: If it's gonna take a drop due to the signature, then maybe I SHOULD try to get it back.

I came upon a copy of FF48 in my stash that I'd gotten signed by Stan Lee WAY back about 15 years ago.

Any experience as to how that will affect the CGC grade?

I'm thinking maybe I should have sent it to (The Service That Shall Not Be Named) for their verification option, but the CGC imprimatur is valuable as well, so maybe it's a wash. Also, I didn't know they did that before I sent it to CGC. D'oh!!!  (I'm trying to make every mistake possible in grading and selling my books LOL)

Thanks for this board's willingness to share their experience and insight, as always!

That is what I'm doing already, so, very good. Thanks.

I have a boatload of books to CGC, and I'm looking for a metric to guide me on pressing before they are slabbed.

The thinking around here seems to be that pressing can deliver at least .5 on the grade. (if I'm off on that, please correct me)

I understand to a certain extent it's an eyeball test on each one, but for, say, major keys... TTA27, ASM129, Hulk 181... is it a given that you press?

Thanks to all on this board, BTW... you are very helpful and generous with your experience and insight.

37 minutes ago, The Lions Den said:

I think you did the right thing. From what I can see, the main reason it received a 6.0 is the color-breaking creasing on the back cover.

Even if the grade isn't as high as you expected, this is still a very attractive copy with great eye appeal. This is what I like to call a "high-quality" problem. In other words, it's not a problem at all... 

I agree. My nephew calls this kind of thing a "first world problem." LOL Thanks!

Question for veteran CGC'ers:

I believe I erred in just submitting this without pre-screening... in your experience with CGC, if they pressed this to remove the pebbling, would that increase the grade enough to make it worthwhile? While I am generally resigned to the fate of this comic, I do think this grade is low. I'm surprised it was below a 7.0.  

7 hours ago, divad said:

The upside is that CGC has probably seen this exact book at least a couple of times before this recent grading

If they have, it was 17 years ago.

Somebody posted guidelines for CGC'ing a while back, but I can't find them.

The top of the TTA 35 cover is split about an inch. FYI. And why do the back covers load upside down?

And now I've got two of the TTA27 back covers in there and can't get one out. Urgh. Whatever. Sorry about that.

Thanks for your counsel and advice.

33 minutes ago, Artboy99 said:

I think it is a win. A coverless copy with a reproduction cover has got to be worth less than a heavily restored real book?

Yes, I agree. Books like this are going for 2-3 times what a coverless book would. 

18 minutes ago, Transplant said:

The pebbling cam from being liquid cleaned (water/solvent/who knows). 

 

Between the piece fills, the reinforcing, the seals, the regloss and the ct, it's basically a repro cover.  I admit, the reglossing is what threw me here.  But, I'll still eat the damn thing if you want.

LOL... no thank you... and you're exactly right. Actually, a Frankenbook kind of denotes something monstrous with no value. I may refer to this kind of book from now on as a Robo-book. Robocop was human... kind of. And this is an original cover... kind of. And overall, it's an improvement... kind of.

5 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said:

Did you get the book pressed ? Pebbling is usually a byproduct of a bad press..

No, I didn't. It is now as I got it.

23 minutes ago, FoomMember said:

I agree.  I would have said 7.0 / 7.5.  This is an unusual case indeed.

That's exactly what I thought. Kind of feel like it's getting docked for the heavy restore... which it does anyway with the PLOD. Not complaining... it is what it is. Just sayin'.

Edit: oops... there is a long color breaking crease on the back. That may be the culprit. 

And since nobody ventured a grade guess before submission, is it me, or does that grade seem kind of low for this? (again, I'm a doofus rookie, so it may just be my stupidity talking)

Well, the verdict is in...

Amazing Fantasy 15 8/62 Marvel Comics   B-4 6.0 CREAM TO OFF-WHITE Restoration includes: color touch, pieces added, tear seals, cleaned, reinforced, re-glossed.

And here are the grader notes... it's a Frankenbook... I'm not sure if I'd be better off selling it as a repro cover! LOL

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27 minutes ago, Ze-man said:

Just to be clear, the inks they used to print comics with were Cyan , Magenta, Yellow, and Black.  The browns on this book were created using a dot matrix mix of these. 

And Mr Transplant wont be eating any covers, this is clearly a reproduction copy made from scans of a restored AF 15.  The interior photo top edge overhang is the tell, its bone white.   If it was done by Matt back in the day, he used scans of restored copies to use as "repro covers" so people would not try and sell the comic as a flawless original. And if they did try and pawn it off as original it would at least have to be sold as "restored"

Or at least that's how I understood it.

 

Yikes. Okay... screw Homer's beer...

LOL... man, I am lucky that Spidey has taken off so much, and I can still make something off this with a repro cover. Kind of douchey for someone to sell this to me not disclosing the facts, but it is what it is. <shrug>

4 minutes ago, Keys_Collector said:

It's a nice book besides the wrap, common problem with FF48, and that sticker.  I'd grade as is a 5.5 and consult an expert on removing that sticker as IMO it's an eyesore for whats otherwise a nice book.

Is that a 5.5 with the sticker? If so, what would you give it assuming the sticker can be removed safely?