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I was suspecting they had images that are not available on the site. I'm curious how far back they go. If they do in fact have older images, it would be nice if they could upload them at some point. Help avoid things like this in the future.

Similarly, on comiclink upcoming auctions and there is ASM 194 cert# 4290512-003. Its not on the 350 list but was submitted at the same time as (which are on the list): 4290512-004 New Mutants #98 1991 9.8 (Universal) 4290512-005 Amazing Spider-Man #300 1988 9.8 (Universal) Looks like they are cashing out anonymously. One right after another.

Honestly, it's was not that big of a risk. Look at the thread about QC. Almost as many pages as this thread. Slabbing errors are abundant and documented all over the internet. Everyone knows that. So there was no "risk". It's plausible someone missed something during grading/slabbed/reholdering/etc. Add on top of that the backlog of books during covid. Briva3 probably tried it once, had no issues and ran with it. Obviously no one caught it.

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My guess is after the comic boom, the book dropped off so much, there wasn't enough profit to continue. At it's height it was $5000. It quickly went down by 50% Number of sales tapered off as well.

Cut similar, but different books. Few differences. On the HA book, you can see some of the white of the spine. Below "begin the saga of thor.." You can't see the tops of the windows on the other copy you can. The staple placement on the HA copy is going the the guys head.

On a side note: The comic connection description says the book is from the Christopher Avenue Collection. Edit: meaning it was probably slabbed for the pedigree. So it probably was not swapped prior either.

Yes, that image is from Comic Connect from 2014 https://www.comicconnect.com/item/534150 If you think it's suspect, definitely have it checked out. Not that I noticed. From 2014 to the newest images, they appear the same. Unless it was swapped prior to this.

I found an earlier sale on comic connect from 3/12/2014 The book appears to be the same though. So maybe this book is unaffected?

On the back of the may 3 2018 listing, there is a comic connection sticker on the back.

june 7 2018 May 3 2018 I couldnt find the may 5 2014 one

He mentioned the books have the same background. Ff#2 - 1175918001 (not on the list, they said it appears to be trimmed) Asm #13 - 1296364022 (on the list)

What if, since they are in the same neck of the woods, they just meet up and swap books? For example: brivas3 buys/trades some books at a con. lets say buys a bundle deal with a ff#4 and asm 300 He trades dupcak the ff#4 to get some books in his comfort zone, like asm 300, asm 194, etc. Or... Briva3 trades ducak the ff#4 for services Dupcak color touches and trims some books. Briva3 submits them for a green label, cracks them and starts the cycle. Anything is possible.

What if the list of 350, is just a sampler? A lil bit of everything that has gone thru Briva3 hands. From 2016 and up. We got signature series, submissions, reholdering, etc. Maybe they are doing it to determine what year the scam started. Also ruling out things like, was he swapping signature series books? A lot of people don't like taking chances doing cpr a pricey book. It's risky. Especially if it looks like it was pressed already? What if you get a grade drop? Briva3 was banking on that. The customer would just be happy with the grade of the book. Like it was mentioned, one or two were opened. And they can simply be written off as, maybe cgc "missed it". We've seen the many many slabbing errors. It would just be another laughing point on the boards. Similar to that IH181 book Bry was talking about on his channel a month or so ago. It was a blue label that was opened and found to be missing the MVS.

Correct, we do not know if they were resealing them without cgc. But so far, there is no evidence to support that. I'm sure cgc is researching/ruling out that one. If that changes, I'm sure they will update the list. Chances are there will be more than 350. This initial list are probably the ones most likely to have something wrong.

Yes cgc just released the list. But that doesn't mean that list wasn't drafted a week ago. In that scenario, they could have sent that list early to comiclink/heritage/etc. If they were in possession of any, they have physically sent the books or sent high quality photos to cgc. Being a priority, they could have reslabbed them already. For photos, they could have viewed cert number's original submission photos (not the reholdering photos) and compared them to what was in hand.

From what's been posted, it seems that the scam revolved around reholders/custom labels only. No evidence suggesting otherwise. (so far) Take for example submission: 4277700006 batman 442 Cgc may not have included this one because maybe it was never sent back in for me/reholder/custom label. Briva3 may have just sold it. So if they decided to resubmit the book raw again, it would have a different cert number. So in that case, the old number 4277700006 wouldn't matter.

Totally guessing here, but if there is a class action lawsuit, cgc could offer a credit per slab. Customer would pay shipping and credit expires by a certain date. But what they will bank on, is people won't send their book in for various reasons. 1) some customers won't bother cause they don't want to pay shipping. 2) some will worry that their books will regrade lower. 3) other will worry of possible of possible lost, theft or damage of their books in transit. 4) They forgot or don't know about it. I'm guessing this based off a ticketmaster case action lawsuit several years back. They offered ticket vouchers. the catch was the new concert you would see had to be 1) a live nation venue 2) on an approved list In five years, I was never able to use them because of the stupid rules. The closest concerts were always 5+ hours away or sold-out in seconds. The "non-immune" cases will just continue to exist.

I don't think it ever had to be picture perfect. It just had to be good enough to get by cgc for reholdered. Since things have come to light, we will look closer, and question any little crack. But two weeks ago, most people would not have looked twice. The swap in his second video would have fooled a lot of people. I've been wondering if they ever swapped a book and sold it, without sending to to cgc for reholdering?

Personally, I think its fine that several different youtubers reported on it, even though most of them were just rehashing what everyone else said. I first heard the news on swagglehaus's channel. I had never heard of davenger/9.9 before this. Now i got few new channels to check out. The various channels have different sets of followers. They got the news out to a larger audience. No different then an AP news story. Some viewers want their favorite youtuber take/opinion on the topic. There a few channels I cant stand myself, i just skip past them. At the end of the day, these channels help drive the hobby.

This is one possible issue i can see with this. Cgc is in florida. Temperatures are high. Now imagine those submissions being sent back are sitting is the back of a usps/ups/fedex trailer for an extended period of time. Or someone in texas, their package is sitting on their mailbox or on their lawn all day? There are videos of people baking bread in their mailboxes... Chances are that most books would be unaffected, but if there is a slight possibly that a few of them discolor, it would be a problem. The heat resistance of that substance would have to withhold up to a certain temperature.

Agreed. Just like car accidents. You have a minor fender bender, pay cash so your premiums don't go. But, if you have a major accident, cars totaled, people hurt; go with your insurance. And that's what we have here: A major accident. With a possibly for a class-action lawsuit.

Insurance. This is why most businesses have it. Insurance will probably pay out for all or most of this. Then the insurance company will go after this person and their assets and try to collect what they can. Also, CGC most likely has a fund to deal with losses/mix-ups, etc. Granted, this is huge. On a separate note (hear me out): When CGC starts gets these tampered books back, they should all get a pedigree label, " Mark Jeweler Fooler" 1) it is cgc way of acknowledging they are not infallible, things happen and they took care if it. 2) The book's complete history is retained, including it's once tainted background. 3) On the resale side of things, qualified/restored books sell for less than their counterparts and can be a harder, slower sale. It could help elevate their resell value and speed up the sale of the item since it is now "unique". 4) Sure, CGC may refund customers the difference in price between a regular and a qualified book, but now the customer is stuck with a qualified book. If you are dropping 10k on a book, chances are you were probably not looking to add a qualified book to your collection. Still leaving the owner unhappy. Hopefully CGC will offer a few different options, including a full buyback if the customer so chooses.

Send them all back as a Mechanical Error to get them re-slabbed. The reason? The holders are defective...