Bobby Newb

Unfortunately I only have cover pics, and these were pre P&C. I know there are so many things that can happen in the pages, back cover and during P&C. 
 

I’ll have to look when they get back, just don’t remember seeing any staining/foxing. I appreciate all of the input, especially with me providing so little info. Thank you all so much for your time. @The Lions Den  @KCOComics @comicginger1789 @Sauce Dog @zzutak

On 9/27/2022 at 10:56 PM, MAR1979 said:

owner and they refused to resubmit it due to principal.

Please explain what that principal is?  The only one I can think of they lack morals and ethics and intend on selling it around FMV for a 9.6 newsstand via venue in which no returns are accepted. 

But yeah I agree CGC Q/C is pretty much non-existent and as long as they inundated with business that will not change.  Truly strong competition with associated perception is the only way things will change but sadly none exists.

 

 

On 9/27/2022 at 7:40 PM, Robert Doggett said:

CGC/Blackstone,

Please return back to your days of integrity.  I am so tired of seeing grades all over the map that shouldn't belong to the books that are encapsulated in the same case.  I have two examples, both within the last few months to show the lack of attention, professionalism and management needed to run a successful company.  I realize CGC must have hired a LOT of unskilled graders to push out the moderns at record speed.  Hence the 20 day turnaround times.  I get it, you want your customers to get their books back quickly.  As a customer (I can't speak for everyone, mind you),I want quality over quantity every time.  If you speed up the process without jeopardizing the accuracy of the grading, I think the mass majority would be all in for that.

I realize that some people are going to call me whiner, cryer, spoiled brat for not getting the grade I wanted.  Life isn't fair and all that jazz, but I discount those comments because those will most likely be the CGC fanboys, the ones that will defend CGC tooth and nail.  I'm tired of the inaccurate grading and the laziness of the staff to perform some sort of quality control.  Books graded 9.4 and below should have some kind of grader notes to identify issues with books.  Keeping in mind that 9.8 is not a perfect book and there is room for a slight flaw here and there.

Grades have been harsh on most books lately.  I took a big hit on my Moon Knight run because of strict grading.  I didn't complain, just kind of rolled with the punches.  I probably lost a grand on them due to the uncalled for low grades but I live and learn daily.  It's a part of life.

The first book I wanted to talk about is a Marvel Team-Up I submitted that was flawless.  Bright colors, sharp corners, perfectly flat, not a spine tick in it anywhere.  I am thinking about sending it back in to get it regraded because I believe it deserves a 9.8.  Because of this, I am not stating an issue number or posting pics of it.  The book came back graded 9.x. (Not 9.6/9.8) without grader notes.  The book wasn't switched out, either.  It's still, to the naked eye, is flawless in my humble opinion.

The second is Warlock 19.  Spine ticks pretty consistent down the spine of the book with several color breaks along the way.  The bottom left corner is blunted.  I question how this book gets by CGC's quality control.

 

 

And lastly, this GI Joe.  I have been contacted by CGC about this book to be resubmitted free of charge and graded properly.  Since it is not my book, all I could do was contact the owner and they refused to resubmit it due to principal.  

 

Neither one of these books that are pictured should have left CGC as they were.  This is a gross failure on many people's part and for them to get by everyone is shameful!  So some books get graded harshly, others unexplainably soft.  For me, it's a spoon shoot as to what grade I'm going to get.  It's making me shy away from grading for the time being.  I can grade better than the employees they have doing this at the moment.  Why pay for THIS service?  

I just want CGC to recognize the books that are leaving their offices and possibly have a senior grader skim over the books that the untrained grader has attempted to grade.  This should not ever happen.

Stepping down from my soapbox.

 

 

Funny, I have a Batman 423 with 3 spine tics that just got a 9.0. Maybe they read your post and went to the other extreme

Cap 7.0, Hulk 162 7.0, Hulk 156 6.5

According to grading notes : Cap is a 8.5-8.0, Hulk 162 is a 7.5 (maybe 8.0) and Hulk 156 is a 8.5-8.0
None of my books note a major defect (all moderate), so 7.0 and 6.5 should not even be in play, according to grading chart. I know they have the accumulation of small to CTA on all grades. And I would be willing to even be reasonable and say I could see how the 162 got a 7.0 since it has a moderate and 2 light.

Not to mention a Batman 423 Newsstand that has 3 spine tics, that got a 9.0

Why is consistency lacking? I know there are a bunch of new graders and maybe they are being tough trying to prove themselves, but there should be some checks and balances. Does QA look at notes to make sure that notes match the grade? Are there people watching/working with the new graders?

Is there an appeal process for things that I have shown? Would (should) I have to pay, since I actually have tangible proof (grader notes and CGC grade scale) of my claims?

7 hours ago, NicholePer said:

Thank you for your question. The length of time it takes to get sports cards certified depends on the grading tier you select when the cards are submitted. Turnaround times reflect the estimated number of working days to complete a submission delivered to our facility today. Turnaround times are estimates only and are NOT guaranteed. Due to high submission volumes, there may be a delay in opening incoming packages.

If turnaround times are reflective of when a package is delivered to the facility, My turnaround time was just over 60 days, when my package was delivered to the facility on 5/17. (a couple of cards were 45 days due to service level difference) So according to that, my cards should be on their way back (give or take) by 7/17 (higher tier should be coming back tomorrow). Only problem, is that my cards are not even opened yet or scheduled for grading; so I do not see that being even close to happening. 

I manage a very sizable business (also been an ops manager for 20+ years) and understand what it is like to be behind and overwhelmed, especially in the warehouse. BUT there is a large amount of inefficiency happening if you are 3 months behind in opening packages, when your grading service just started in Feb (4 months ago). Not bashing, just stating

Speaking out of the other side of my mouth, grading is a luxury and none of us are going to die if we don't get our cards back. So we need to practice patience...

We just would like to have REAL estimates of how long it is going to take, which should not be hard if you have SOP vs volume. Even if the news is bad, be honest. People would rather hear that and you are going to take 6 months to get them back their cards and get them on 5 months and 29 days; than hear 45 day turnarounds and have to follow up on their cards 60 days later. That is business management and operational accountability.

Think I got a good deal, the other one ebay sold for $2500 raw. So as long as mine doesn’t show up trashed, I saved myself a couple bucks. Prob send to CBCS just for protection. Hate the green label. 

Figured I did pretty decent, there is a near identical one up on eBay for 1270 w/ 2-1/2 days left. Guy said that one (1270) was a 9.8 that was cracked to get a signature. Not sure it was or not, looks like two color breaks on spine it me, but maybe not. Not sure how those grade out. 

I figured it would be tough, but I know there are much more experienced eyes than mine. Just more so was checking to see if there was something I missed, and if gambling at that price seemed worth it

Super new to this, so I am just guessing (to preface) 7.5-8.0 OW pages. Want to see others feedback and learn. Nice comic! TY for posting

Thank you all very much, EXTREMELY new to grading. Have no idea what big vs small defects are. Sent in my ASM 129, and now I’m hooked!

Found this and only had the cover pics to go off of. Anyone see anything? Looked clean to me. W/ Sig and sub $600 price tag, had to take the shot. Listed as high grade. 

Rest of the book looks perfect, that is all I found

I am interested in this raw copy of NM98, and this is the only flaw I can find. Rear cover, lower page side. Does this still have a chance at 9.6?

I have a Spider-Man 129 that I have had for years, and recently have considered getting it graded. It is in fairly nice shape, but I just noticed a surface crease with no color loss. Just wondering what I would be looking at top grade wise, and if it is even worth it. Thank you all in advance for your thoughts comments and opinions!