RJ MacReady

1 hour ago, sleeper13 said:

I find it mildly amusing how a relative newbie is explaining buying comics to some long time forum members 

On a separate note I hear the forthcoming Black Widow 8 has a first appearance and we should all buy that  (sorry running joke from another board)

 

Well if it’s in a top ten video or if bleeding cool reports on it……………………

21 minutes ago, Lazyboy said:

It's funny how he thinks he has any credibility here. (I probably didn't actually need to use that last word. Oh, well.)

It’s cute that you believe you do. Super cute.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=venom+%2335+1%3A100&_fsrp=1&_sacat=0&_sop=16

and the price hiking begins. 
 

hey if you use top ten videos to determine what to sell, that’s your prerogative pal!

4 minutes ago, Mapleleafvann said:

 

OK....it's always good to clarify things.  

Ya with how much the prices on the Knull books dropped id just sit tight and hope a few years from now he comes back bigger and better, and with a better writer tackling him. The time to sell those was prior or literally right after KiB5.

4 minutes ago, wiparker824 said:

Are we really arguing that a 2021 book driving up prices on a book from a couple years ago, on a series that largely took off complete based on the creative team who is now on their last issue is a good long term investment? And all because we have yet another symbiote running around? As if we’ve not had a million symbiotes in the past? 

Not to mention I’ve seen Venom 9 on at least one of these bigger YouTube channels hot book lists (which I typically watch to find out which books I should sell, not buy) as well as sites like BleedingCool. This is absolutely not the time to buy on this book. 

All that said, if you believe in it, go for it but common sense says this is a stay away right now.

Venom 9 has been a hot book since the beginning of time. It’s only dropped in price as much as it did because of what Cates did to Dylan. Watching Top 10 lists on yt or reading Bleeding cool, it’s just always far too late. Definitely wouldn’t depend on those sites, channels to buy or sell. Just my opinion tho if it works for you then all power.

1 minute ago, awakeintheashes said:

It'll be in your dreams, but sounds good, sweet lips.

I love it when you talk dirty to me awake

1 minute ago, wiparker824 said:

Are we really arguing that a 2021 book driving up prices on a book from a couple years ago, on a series that largely took off complete based on the creative team who is now on their last issue is a good long term investment? And all because we have yet another symbiote running around? As if we’ve not had a million symbiotes in the past? 

Not to mention I’ve seen Venom 9 on at least one of these bigger YouTube channels hot book lists (which I typically watch to find out which books I should sell, not buy) as well as sites like BleedingCool. This is absolutely not the time to buy on this book. 

All that said, if you believe in it, go for it but common sense says this is a stay away right now.

Right, so in your mind either don’t get a ratio #35 or wait until Dylan as Venom is actually a consistent character. Or get it now and hold to list when that innevitably happens. Do you actually believe Dylan as Venom isn’t going to happen after this issue? That’s your bet?

46 minutes ago, awakeintheashes said:

Let’s watch the falling prices on your ratio and circle back in a few days.
 

And then we can watch them spike right back up when Dylan-Venom features in a upcoming storyline. See how this works, babe?

23 minutes ago, Mapleleafvann said:

Weren't you the person who was expounding that everyone should unload all of their Venom 3's after the KIB mini-series as the book will tank and that we won't see Knull for years???

Changed your mind I take it?

I was that guy. And no I haven’t changed my mind at all I sold all of my Venom 3’s and my Dylan books right when I got news of what Cates did to both character in KIB. I still don’t believe Knull is coming back anytime soon. But if you haven’t already unloaded, probably best to hold off now that the price has dropped so much on those books. Venom 7 and 9 will start getting back to those higher prices but I don’t know that they will hit the heights they did when I listed the majority of mine. Obviously I held 9.8s of all 3 of those books for the PC long term hold but after KIB 5, absolutely was the time to unload. Hence all the sales those following weeks. Venom 35 def brings tho Dylan spec back from the dead no doubt tho.

18 minutes ago, awakeintheashes said:

I’m comfortable with any position I took on those books. Don’t really see how that has anything to do with not wanting to go all in on a book that has every anti spec flag all over it. But you do you. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Or, whatever line fits. 

I’m not sure you realize what an “anti spec flag” actually is pal. You are welcome to continue posting more gifs tho! Just stay comfy XD

If you don’t think this book has any relevancy, I’d expect that you’ve listed and sold all your Knull books too then. The two go hand in hand. Do your thing, bro.

2 minutes ago, awakeintheashes said:

I fully understand why 7 end 9 are rising. I think you are missing the point. We all know you are holding quite the bag here and trying to discount what we’ve laid out, but I don’t think 35/200 will do anything on the secondary market in the next 3-5 years. 

No ones missing any bag or discounting anything. This is just common sense. If you don’t think your gonna see Dylan as Venom post this book and more often than not within 3 to 5 years, lol, well you have every right to believe that, despite the lack of any logic involved in such a belief.

3 minutes ago, awakeintheashes said:

Honestly, with the cover price (and even high preorder cost) and the amount of copies that everyone knew would be available, this is one of the more common sense books to avoid from a spec perspective in recent memory. 

Sure if your out of touch with the amount of Venom collectors out there and how nutty their buying habits are. The Venom 7 and 9 sales are plenty evidence to the contrary. Go ratio, all the variants and what not I agree. Print run is far too high to not go ratio. But if you can get ratio at a good price, do it. This is the first book in which Dylan Brock becomes a superhero with suit in the 616. Once Dylan is Venom in his own book or they bring back Knull, this will be your book. But by all means follow your gut. 

13 minutes ago, awakeintheashes said:

Those are the books to have or find at a discount. Not 35/200
 

This usually drives down the prices. Market gets flooded. 

No, see your missing the entire point of why 7 and 9 are selling hot right now after this news started to hit the web. 7 and 9 are heating up solely because of Venom #35. It’s driving Dylan’s first apps to heat up. So I fully disagree, if you can snag at least one of the ratio 1:50 1:100 then do it. You’ll be happy you did sooner than later. The 1:500 obviously is a banger but it’s just far too expensive for my tastes. 

8 hours ago, awakeintheashes said:

Probably none of them, but Cover A usually sees the most love for any book that gets hot. I guess the highest incentive would do well if this book heats up, but I'm thinking you'll have to wait years for that to happen. 

The 1:100 is already down to 84.99 and one has sold for 64.99 today. A far cry from the $175 that was mentioned earlier. 

Speculating on this book seems like a fool's errand, but I'm happy to be wrong. 

Fools errand if and only if you truly don’t believe Dylan will be Venom in the comics and regularly sooner than later. If and when Knull comes back especially, Dylan as Venom will go hand in hand. Honestly this is one of the more common sense spec books of recent memory. Ratio buy and hold is worth it. People don’t even realize Dylan becomes Venom yet because it hasn’t been widely reported publicly yet. But it’s already driving Venom 7 and 9 sales left and right:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=first+appearance+dylan+brock&_trksid=p2334524.m4084.l1313&_odkw=first+appearance+dylan+brock&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
 

Book will get in people’s hands today so I predict you’ll see more movement and price hikes after today

8 hours ago, rckstr1253 said:

What’s the better one to buy to speculate on?

Go ratio or don’t go at all. Too many exclusive variants and giant print run for anything but the 1:50 1:100 1:500 to hold value. I bought two of the 1:100 for under ratio myself.

books selling. 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=venom+35+1%3A&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1

1 hour ago, kimik said:

The rumor re: a new Venom being introduced in 35 has been out there for a bit. My file LCS owner and another LCS owner friend tipped me off a couple or so weeks before FOC that they heard rumors from their industry contacts was a new Venom in #35. I did not order as big as I normally would have due to the cover price and it not having been confirmed by FOC. I should have listened to them.  

Everyone knew a new Venom was in the book. No one knew Dylan was the new Venom until this weekend. A new Venom is a fart in the wind. Dylan becoming the new Venom is why it’s in any way relevant as everyone thought Dylan was done considering Knull stripped him of his powers. Hence why Venom 7 and 9 prices plummeted. They will go up again now tho.

10 hours ago, awakeintheashes said:

...eventually, maybe. There will be a ton of these. I don't think it's catching anyone by surprise. I'd be happy to be wrong for anyone who is going to be holding a lot of these, but I just don't see it.

No one had any idea that Dylan gets a costume and becomes Venom in this book. It was posted on the CHU secret Lounge group thread (rolls eyes) and so privately a small handful on that site knew. Bill at Economics in Comics is the first to publicly drop the scoop and that was last night. Since then I’ve seen the 1:100 go for 175 so it’s already heating up. Venom has a gigantic print run so ratio is definitely the way to go for this one. The comic makes it pretty obvious it’s setting up Dylan as Venom going forward, and the costume is SICK. Definitely holding one for long term as I expect Dylan as Venom will get utilized in the comics as time goes on and I’ll be flipping one ASAP as I got both under ratio and if it’s selling for 175 now, mess I can’t NOT list it lol.

Dylan Brock becomes Venom and has his own version of the costume with some pretty sick chains in Venom 35/ 200th issue. I copped a couple of the 1/100 cuz no one realizes it and it’s first Dylan as superhero in 616. Expecting to heat up 

7 hours ago, brentdevil said:

I get what you're saying, I meant that people were unprepared to spec on Punchline even with advance knowledge. I mean, *I* snapped them up before FOC based on the rumor just in case, but I'm sure it wasn't the home run to other people the 'warnings' seemed to indicate it would be. They learned their lesson and now even the slightest whisper of something makes it sold out before the on sale date.

I do recall the Hell Arisen 3/Batman 89 thing was about equal as I tried to get both at the same time; I don't think it was a matter of everyone went all in on Bats 89, and were caught with their pants down on HA 3. Matter of fact, I think I thought 89 was the 'rare' one and HA 3 was an also-ran dud until you said something just now.

Absolutely. Don’t get me wrong the 89 hype was real. The Hell Arisen shenanigans simply stemmed from two separate official sources saying two different things, and the official correction of said info coming post FOC is why it all gone so blown up by your typical comic related YTbers like Comics Tom (sigh). But yes Hell Arisen 3 has a tiny print run by modern standards compared to your Batman, Venom, those types of main title books from DC or Marvel. Sounds like you were completely on top of it though. I have multiple 9.8s and almost all of the run has corner damage from the dull knife that was used to cut that run. So lots of 9.6s out there as this also led to bindery tears and other issues when being handled for racks

9 hours ago, Corona smith said:

I can literally point out dozens of people on different forums that thought Punchline would go nowhere. That a few months after she first appeared it’d be worthless. Obviously we were wrong but it’s definitely part of the equation. 

Sure, you can point out a dozen or a couple dozen, whatever. But the majority of people who bought 89, if not all of them, bought it for Punchline. The Hell Arisen 3 craze was BECAUSE people wanted to get in on Jokers new partner in crime. Yes, a lot of it was spec, but there was also a ton of hype around the character herself. You being able to point out a dozen people on forums doesn’t change that. 

2 hours ago, brentdevil said:

Not to be contrary but it was announced before FOC, people just didn't think the character was going to be what it became. I know for sure because I got it before FOC based on a Bleeding Cool article, which was reporting Tynion's newsletter. Of course, that was when DCBS was a little nicer so they may have just done a re-order for me; they seem to have changed management and gotten super anal/snotty about that thing, not willing to even try for a re-order with a week in between email replies now.

Actually youre both right and wrong. I did some digging. Here’s what actually happened. Tynion dropped his news letter on January 20th, 2020. If you go read that letter, he says the first full appearance is going to be Batman #92 and that Hell Arisen 3 is Punchlines second cameo. On February 7th, 2020, DC officially puts out a press release saying Hell Arisen 3 is a “First Full Appearance”. This press release that disputes Tynion’s claim of Hell Arisen 3 being another cameo came out AFTER FOC for the book. So I mixed up Tynion’s Letter with DC’s official correction of the info within his blog. This led to mass confusion and people freaking out due to FOC for the book already having passed, driving the book to reach sales on EBay prior to release that we’re pretty nutty. The reason it was under ordered is because everyone was going by Tynions news letter and thought Hell Arisen 3 was just another cameo, and no one was buying the first two issues of Hell Arisen on top of that as it was a low print, fart in the wind mini series so barely any of #3 were ordered and THIS is what caused the shortage. It was so bad that many believed Tynion intentionally lied about Hell Arisen 3 being her first full in order to create More Hype for a book that he knew would have a quarter of the print run of Batman TOPS, if that. So I was wrong in that Tynions letter DID come out prior to that FOC, you are absolutely correct on this and thank you for correcting me on this as it drove me to go back over it all. he simply gave inaccurate info within it that everyone took at face value. But you are incorrect in that it had anything to do with people thinking she wouldn’t be worth it. Batman 89’s insane sales prove exactly the opposite. It was all about Tynions news letter and the info within that caused the mass under ordering of the book. I mean Hell Arisen 3 has been the hottest single book of both 2020 and 2021. Nothing has come out since that generated that kind of hype and I don’t know that you’ll see something so similar anytime soon as with Tynion giving bad info, it was the perfect storm. It’s more likely that Tynion thought Hell Arisen 3 actually would end up being considered a cameo. He simply was mistaken in that regard as the market and CGC said otherwise.

16 minutes ago, followtheleader said:

For Batman 89, people definitely got crazy. 

But for Punchline 1, it was the opposite.  Our store had tons of copies that went unsold.  

The ending for Punchline in Joker Wars was unbelievably bad.  In all honesty, that entire storyline wasn't very good.  

His post-Joker Wars story has been much better. 

Patrick 

Batman 89 was heavily ordered. Not talking about the Punchline one shot. I’m referring to her first full appearance: Hell Arisen #3. 35k print run, most of the run damaged with dull knife, and every shop under ordered or didn’t order at all because Tynion didn’t drop the news about her being in that book until after FOC for Hell Arisen #3. People lined up outside shops trying to get a copy. It was a spec wet dream, really. WB picked up the rights to use her on tv and film and she’s a really hot char for DC. But the buy in on a 9.8 is around 400 now and it’s only going up so I’m not sure it’s worth it to get in now unless you have the cash. Her book will only increase though. Hottest new char of the last couple years 

On 4/23/2021 at 10:47 AM, brentdevil said:

I'm actually shocked it dropped as much as it did. Do people really think Knull will never return? Really? Plus Dylan is separate from Venom #3 spec. I can't think of a single other book that has dropped since last year. Even unfounded spec like Monstress or whatever will be permanently raised on every comic site/ebay/dealer wall.

He won’t be back any time soon. 

On 4/23/2021 at 9:02 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said:

Maybe Cates was thinking he cared more about the story than whether people were speculating on a book.

Then why did he butcher another ending? King in Black 5 was awful not just on a spec level but a story/character level as well.