carcrawfordfan

I guess we are just going to agree to disagree with this guy (jaydog). He refuses/ignores facts, articles from Comichron that explain it very clearly, statements from larger retailers and people in the know. We are all insufficiently_thoughtful_persons and Jaydog is the only one that can figure this out.

I appreciate the link, but I don't think this says what you think it does. -J. I don't know what else to tell you. You seem incapable or unwilling to comprehend.

Yes, you are 100% correct.

From ICV2: MARVEL CONFIRMS 'STAR WARS' #1 ORDERS Over One Million December 12 2014 @ 2:50 am CT Marvel SVP Sales and Marketing David Gabriel confirmed to Comicbook.com that initial orders on Star Wars #1, due out in January, have topped one million copies. Strong orders from comic shops and a large number of exclusive covers, sold through outlets new to comics, drove the numbers, according to Gabriel. But the very heavy variant plan and the exclusive covers are not the only thing driving the numbers, the core demand is also very strong, Gabriel said. “I can safely say that even without the massive variant plan on this first issue, the numbers on the regular cover alone would make this the highest selling debut of 2015,” Gabriel told the site. From comichron: As expected, Marvel's relaunch issue Star Wars #1 had sales that, when UK and February reorders are included, will put it over 1 million copies sold; Diamond shipped closed to 986,000 copies to North American retailers in the month of January. The lion's share of those orders were placed by comics ships, although one of the dozens of variant covers was for the repackager Loot Crate, whose orders would have been somewhere over 200,000 copies based on what we've seen in the past. Regardless, it's reasonably safe to assume the issue would have taken the century bestseller record based on comic-shop sales alone. Comichron article about WD132 Lootcrate and RR1 Lootcrate

I understand just fine. I think the disconnect is that you believe that all of the variants count as part of the print run, when they do not. The variants are in addition to the main print run, hence the term "dealer incentive" to order x-amount of copies of the regular cover to get x-amount of variant covers in addition. (thumbs u -J. They do count toward the print run. Do you think Star Wars 1 had a one million copy print run and then the variants were on top of that? Do you think WD 132 had a 300k print run? Or maybe did that include the Loot Crate incentive? Those Diamond/Comichron numbers include retailer variants. Maybe do some google research and you can see it yourself.

That isn't even close to correct. That print is including the x retailer variants at 3000/1500 (plus whatever Midtown orders on those variants/10k/5k?) per store. Subtract those out and you have a general idea of the 1:25/1:100 variants. Furthermore, if a shop orders 74 copies, then they get 2 Ankas and 0 Hughes. The print run might be 100k in real orders, but only 500 or so Hughes and 3000 Ankas because of the way each shop orders. It isn't like Marvel just prints that amount because of the print run. I think people forget that a lot. This is incorrect. The variants' print run is indeed based on the print run of the main book. So 2000 for the Hughes is not out of the ballpark, as for every smaller mom and pop shop that didn't order enough to get even one, there are just as many big guys that order 200++ copies or more to get multiple variant copies. A book with a 200,000++ print run will have waaaaaaay more than 500 copies of a 1:100 variant out there, come on. There are what, 100+ on ebay alone right now? And at the end of the day, the print run of the variant is only part of what affects value. Scarcity on the market is the other. (thumbs u -J. I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Let me break it down for you: The stated print run was 200k copies or whatever. This figure INCLUDES the shop variants. Do you think Marvel sold 1million copies of Star Wars #1? That included the 100+ variants. That is where these numbers come from these days and that is part of the reason Marvel does them. They love to get the printing numbers higher and they also love to make money. Anyways, I think we had about 20 different retail variants that you have to subtract from that 200k number to get to the actual print run. Then you have to kind of guess what the shops would order. I know I have about 11 LCS/Diamond accounts within 30 miles of my house and I know of one store that would be getting a Hughes variant. I also don't think it is very out of the question that 100 out of 500 or whatever the print run may be of the Hughes Variant are up on Ebay the very day it is released. I am not sure why you think this isn't possible? For the record I am not saying the print run is 500..I was just showing examples. I would imagine the actual run on this variant is between 700-1300, but probably on the lower side of that figure and definitely not near 2000. You are free to disagree, you are still however, incorrect. There will be "at least" 2000 copies of the Hughes out there based on the print run. That's actually how variants work. By variant standards, it is not "rare", and if you really think 20+% of all copies of the Hughes variant in the world are up on ebay alone for sale right now, you may want to re-think the long term viability/popularity of this character and that book. None of the what if-Gwen stuff is "rare". Not even the Land variant of EoSV #2. This stuff is and will be slabbed and flipped left and right until the carcass is completely bled dry. (thumbs u -J. I am not sure if you are not listening or just do not understand. I will break it down one last time to see if you can grasp it. The stated print run was around 200k books. You have to subtract out the 20 shops (roughly) that ordered the variants from that 200k because those books don't count towards the incentives. They had to order at least 3k/1500 on those variants in order to do that and some shops did 3 variants (conquest) and some shops may have ordered more than 3k/1500 (Midtown probably does closer to 10k/5k). That leaves you with around 100k-125k regular covers. Of those numbers many, many of those books are going to shops that are not ordering enough to get the 100 book incentive (and that also doesn't include the Blanks as per JJ). Those copies all come right off of the top and will not be counted. This leaves whatever is left and in what groups of 100 they ordered. This would leave the print run around 700-1250 or so and probably on the lower end (as I stated earlier). The book came out yesterday and you have a hard time understanding why 20% of the potential print run would be on ebay now? That doesn't make any sense to me. I bet 75% of the Phantom print run was on ebay a few weeks ago. Were you able to grasp that part? I am fine with you disagreeing with me, but you just keep stating the print run is based on the initial print run and your facts and understanding of how this works are clearly not accurate. If you have any actual facts feel free to insert them wherever.

That isn't even close to correct. That print is including the x retailer variants at 3000/1500 (plus whatever Midtown orders on those variants/10k/5k?) per store. Subtract those out and you have a general idea of the 1:25/1:100 variants. Furthermore, if a shop orders 74 copies, then they get 2 Ankas and 0 Hughes. The print run might be 100k in real orders, but only 500 or so Hughes and 3000 Ankas because of the way each shop orders. It isn't like Marvel just prints that amount because of the print run. I think people forget that a lot. This is incorrect. The variants' print run is indeed based on the print run of the main book. So 2000 for the Hughes is not out of the ballpark, as for every smaller mom and pop shop that didn't order enough to get even one, there are just as many big guys that order 200++ copies or more to get multiple variant copies. A book with a 200,000++ print run will have waaaaaaay more than 500 copies of a 1:100 variant out there, come on. There are what, 100+ on ebay alone right now? And at the end of the day, the print run of the variant is only part of what affects value. Scarcity on the market is the other. (thumbs u -J. I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Let me break it down for you: The stated print run was 200k copies or whatever. This figure INCLUDES the shop variants. Do you think Marvel sold 1million copies of Star Wars #1? That included the 100+ variants. That is where these numbers come from these days and that is part of the reason Marvel does them. They love to get the printing numbers higher and they also love to make money. Anyways, I think we had about 20 different retail variants that you have to subtract from that 200k number to get to the actual print run. Then you have to kind of guess what the shops would order. I know I have about 11 LCS/Diamond accounts within 30 miles of my house and I know of one store that would be getting a Hughes variant. I also don't think it is very out of the question that 100 out of 500 or whatever the print run may be of the Hughes Variant are up on Ebay the very day it is released. I am not sure why you think this isn't possible? For the record I am not saying the print run is 500..I was just showing examples. I would imagine the actual run on this variant is between 700-1300, but probably on the lower side of that figure and definitely not near 2000.

That isn't even close to correct. That print is including the x retailer variants at 3000/1500 (plus whatever Midtown orders on those variants/10k/5k?) per store. Subtract those out and you have a general idea of the 1:25/1:100 variants. Furthermore, if a shop orders 74 copies, then they get 2 Ankas and 0 Hughes. The print run might be 100k in real orders, but only 500 or so Hughes and 3000 Ankas because of the way each shop orders. It isn't like Marvel just prints that amount because of the print run. I think people forget that a lot.

Or actually in the movie and then forgotten like the 400 other villains/bad guys/2nd,3rd,4th, etc. tier characters that no one cares about in past and upcoming movies...

5k??

I got 10 @$20 per and they arrived in 2 days from TX to Ohio. Books were packed well and in great shape. GREAT SELLER!

I've had mine for sale since u pointed out the price increase. Best offer I've received was $325. I've noticed some shenanigans with I zombie 1 (modern) lately as well. If you are referring to the IZombie 1 CGC 9.8s that keep selling, those are mine. I have 8 copies and have sold 4 in the last month or so. Is this what you are referring to? yes that is correct. My apologies but the GPA shows the same book sold 3 times (same serial #) if all 3 were sold and paid for I have one that just came back so if the prices have gone up They were all bought and paid for and I just left the same scan up because this book isn't centered or anything like that. I will be relisting another one tonight or tomorrow as soon as I pack up this one. Good luck with your copy. Actually good to see you again haven't seen you post for quite a while. I read the boards almost every day. I just never sign into my account because my password is some jibberish that I can never remember. I will try to be more active on the boards in the coming months.

I've had mine for sale since u pointed out the price increase. Best offer I've received was $325. I've noticed some shenanigans with I zombie 1 (modern) lately as well. If you are referring to the IZombie 1 CGC 9.8s that keep selling, those are mine. I have 8 copies and have sold 4 in the last month or so. Is this what you are referring to? yes that is correct. My apologies but the GPA shows the same book sold 3 times (same serial #) if all 3 were sold and paid for I have one that just came back so if the prices have gone up They were all bought and paid for and I just left the same scan up because this book isn't centered or anything like that. I will be relisting another one tonight or tomorrow as soon as I pack up this one. Good luck with your copy.

I've had mine for sale since u pointed out the price increase. Best offer I've received was $325. I've noticed some shenanigans with I zombie 1 (modern) lately as well. If you are referring to the IZombie 1 CGC 9.8s that keep selling, those are mine. I have 8 copies and have sold 4 in the last month or so. Is this what you are referring to?

Geithner was really good on Jon Stewart tonight...anyone agree? Pappy 12 btw.

As well they should be. With copies in 9.8 selling at $1000+ buyers are obviously thinking press and fast track and relist. A 9.6 consolation is a win too and 9.4 is borderline break even. I still think 9.8s are going to be hard to manufacture There has been exactly 1 sale for a CGC 9.8 copy in $1,000 so far, so saying it's "selling at $1000+" seems a bit premature. There's no question this book is blazing hot, but there's no chance a $1k price tag on a 9.8 is sustainable in the long run - the print run is too big and it's never been that hard to find in 9.8. After the recent price surge, the CGC census is going to explode. 100% agree on this. You guys are literally insane if you think this book is currently sustainable at 1K+. This book had a print run that is more than likely 100k-200K and the 9.8s are gonna come pouring out of the census in the next few months. I love the character, but it just doesn't make much sense that it would climb so high and sustain it.

I have yet to see 1,000 print run WD that was hard to obtain. There will be lots. I didn't say it would be hard to obtain. It could have some good value though. It depends on how they solicit it, conditions, terms, etc. Tons of books with higher print runs get hot initially or down the line. Variants are a weird animal and it could be good, bad or ugly is all I am saying. Revival 1 Third Eye Variant had a 1k print run and that book is blazing hot. People love the Skottie Young X Baby variants and some of those have to have huge print runs compared to this. Would you or anyone have even cared about WD 100 1:200 sketch variants if they just said they were going to release another variant of WD 100 and the print run was between 1000-1500 copies depending on the orders? A lot depends on how they distribute the book and this is a prime example. The book is worth $150ish because of the perception of rarity and not actual rarity. Just my 2 cents.

Depends how it is distributed and things like that. 1000 isn't a lot compared to the regular print run. Here is the cover. I wonder when they solicited this?

It is a new beginning for THE Walking Dead. Rick Grimes is no longer in charge, and nothing will ever be the same again. It's such a perfect jumping on point, it could easily have been a new first issue - but instead, the world's best selling creator-owned comic just keeps moving forward, with #103 and counting! This is one of a specially limited series of Chris Giarrusso variants celebrating Image Comics' 20th anniversary, each limited to 1000 copies. Allocations may occur with this item based on distribution availability.

Anyone have any info on the WD 103 Variant issue? IE how it will be distributed, etc? I never saw it in previews and my LCS owner has no info on it at all. I see no presells on ebay or anything at all. It this going to be another "ghost" type variant?

I guess the runs on these books are very low I talked to a rep yesterday at wondercon and he said that the cover E was limited to a print run of 35 I am gonna have to say that rep isn't close to right. I just counted 26 active and completed copies on ebay in the past few weeks and that doesn't count the huge quantities that Lone Star/Midtown/Milehigh and countless other retailers had. I would guess he missed a 0 at the very least. Just my 2 cents.

I think you guys are talking about 2 different things. The previous poster is referring to 27 the series, not WD #27. You are both correct.

I mean as opposed to a 100 copy incentive comic. I think a print would have less appeal/value than an actual comic. Thoughts?

25 is going to be the signed edition and the 100 copy is supposed to be some sort of 8x10 sketch/print. I am not sure what kind of value it will have.

Cleaning out the basement/computer rooms sale. I have a couple hundred loose GI JOES/Vintage Star Wars/G1 Transformers I would love to sell. I want to see if you guys have any interest. It would be a decent amount of work, so I want to check the interest level if so. I could probably get started on it tonight if you guys are all about it. I have multiples of many pieces and they are both complete and incomplete (majority). Thanks for the feedack-Matt