D1118

I hate to be this guy, but I'm pretty sure two drunk web designers and a monkey could get this thing up in less than a month.

What a mess.

I went through my LGS to send a few comics to CGC. Because I mostly deal in trading cards, I had the store's owner, a very reputable seller and grader of many decades, pick out a few comics from my pile that he felt would grade well. One of the comics came back as a 9.0, where he expected a 9.6. On the back, there is an obvious spine dig that wasn't there when we submitted. If it was there during his grading, we wouldn't have submitted it. So, I'm stuck wondering if the book was damaged at CGC. What should I do about this?

On 5/4/2021 at 4:43 PM, LuckyMouse said:

Didn't even mention the truckloads of modern cards that everyone, their brother, and all their friends are sending in.:)

I predict a buyers market for slabs when millions of cards get returned in the next year or so.

And I will be buying!

On 3/1/2021 at 10:00 AM, PaulS. said:

It is normal. The estimated time starts when the cards are received. 

When cards are delivered to CGC, they are received and verified very quickly. They are then put in line for grading. You will not see any update from received until they are actually going to the graders. Once they do, things tend to move much more quickly.

 

Paul

"They are received and verified very quickly." 

You sure about that?

On 4/12/2021 at 3:12 PM, D1118 said:

Economy (3), Standard (2)

Delivered: 4/6

Received: N/A

Still hasn't been marked as received. Don't love not knowing if my cards are with CGC or lost.

On 4/19/2021 at 9:11 AM, Kingboo64 said:

My standard submission was delivered on 4/12, got entered 4/14

Literally how?

Economy (3), Standard (2)

Delivered: 4/6

Received: N/A

On 2/24/2021 at 8:10 AM, PaulS. said:

Hi Kyle,

 

CGC's $40 tier has an estimated turnaround time of 15 business days. I looked in your account, and your submissions are on Bulk ($9, 70 business days estimated), Economy ($18, 56 business days estimated), and Standard ($25, 25 business days estimated). So to compare the turnaround time of their higher priced tiers to our lower priced ones is not a fair comparison. Of course our bulk tier is slower than their Regular service. It is also more than 5x cheaper. Our tier with the same estimated turnaround time is half the price.

 

Paul

The problem is that Economy wasn't 56 days when a lot of us sent our cards to CGC and paid. When I sent my cards, TaT for Economy was 30 days.

On 1/31/2021 at 8:51 AM, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

Every LCS in existence is essentially a flipper. Buy low, sell high. Don't have anything against. Don't think price hike has to do with flipping so much as people going for services that don't monetarily make sense and clogging the system as a whole? What they're doing makes sense to me. Trying to get people to submit through the appropriate tier based on card value.

 

*Wrong quote, meant to hit OPs.

I don't inherently have an issue with flippers. I am a singles flipper on Ebay. I've simply seen people posting in the forums blaming hobbyists for sending in cheaper cards to get graded, as if hobbyists are in their way and need to get out of their way. Increased TATs are the flippers own faults. All I'm saying is that the hobbyists should be to blame.

On 1/30/2021 at 11:56 PM, mattyzeepgam said:

Im confused at who this imaginary kid is since I dont know any sane children who want graded commons. Are you just butthurt that bulk pricing is going up lol?

The whole point of grading is to have a 3rd party give a professional opinion about a card, which is mostly only relevant when it comes to reselling expensive stuff since anyone can claim anything but having a company with experienced people give a grade/opinion, it gives the card's condition legitimacy. .

There really isnt a point to grading if your just going to sit on a card forever, especially a cheap one that is mass produced and can be bought for 10 cents on the internet. You can go buy all sorts of plastic and put it away in a safe. Or you can go complain on the internet if thats how you want to spend your life. That is your choice as well.

 

You can collect graded cards, fam. Nobody needs to justify their "point" for liking and collecting something.

The kid in a basement is a hypothetical scenario, but it might surprise you how many people, including parents and their children, open cards and get them graded as a hobby.

Also, you comment quite a lot for someone ragging on others for wasting time complaining on the internet.

5 hours ago, mattyzeepgam said:

Dude, your the only one on here complaining. I resell cards and have no problem waiting since Im not an angry little kid crying every week about my stuff not coming back asap. Its a hot market and to act oblivious about it is just being extremely stupid. Everyones cards will come back at some point. People like yourself seriously need to learn the concept of patience. 

Idk. I think everyone has a right to react to slow TAT as they see fit, especially when the TATs were changed after many of us had already submitted. So, no, it's my money and my cards, and I can be upset about the slow TATs if I want to. So can anyone else.

I am currently on day business day 46 for three cards. Seems pretty ridiculous.

6 hours ago, PaulS. said:

I'm sorry, I promise the graders are working as hard as they can. You can certainly still upgrade your order and get it back faster by contacting customer service. 1-877-NM-COMIC

 

Paul

Items received before the turnaround times were updated should've been returned at the turnaround times stated during their submissions.

Flippers are the ones causing the backlogs and the price increases.

They get upset because some kid wants his favorite Pikachu art graded with subgrades, even though the card's worth $0.50. But they don't consider that the kid, ya know, actually just wants to keep the card. The ones who actually just collect their graded cards are the ones suffering the most.

So, no, I don't really feel bad that the price increases are hurting flippers' bottom line. They call actual hobbyists' cards junk and act as though you're in their way and that their priorities are more important than yours.

12 hours ago, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

It's only for bulk, economy and standard. Again, most likely to stop subgrades on trash cards.

Generally speaking there's no reason to get subgrades on a card that's not even worth $100. So I'm assuming they're trying to weed it out by making it unreasonable vs not doing it at all. Why waste egregious amounts of time thoroughly inspecting a $20 card. Waste of resources and time. They still allow people to get it done if they really want it, but it's not prioritized and are going to make them pay.

So, flippers are ruining the system. Some people actually want to keep the cards they get graded, regardless of their value. Those people are called collectors.

12 hours ago, mattyzeepgam said:

They are probably tired of giving garbage cards subgrades and tired of new stuff flooding the walkthroughs. 

I wish CGC would lose customers so I can get my stuff back quicker LOL. I mean, where are you going to go instead? PSA to where you can wait 6-8 months for a bulk return and have them give you all 9s on your stuff making them worth as much as cgc stuff anyway? 

So, what you're really saying is that flippers are ruining the system. Some people actually want to get cards they like graded and actually keep the cards after they get graded.

On 1/29/2021 at 2:32 PM, Reg526 said:

So how exactly does cgc address this differently to prevent the "Industry Issue" from bogging them down? Oh they took the same approach that doesn't work.

Correct. So why use the company that's going to bring less value to you if they're going to ultimately end up in the same boat..? What value does CGC bring over the competitors other than early turnaround times being lower?

 

Sooo what value do those have other than having slightly lower turnaround times to flip your sick nasty zard pulls before everyone else?

 

Once again you have fastest confused with smaller backlog. They're only "Fastest" because they have less people utilizing their service and they've already shown to be getting backlogged and they took the same approach as their competitors that did not work to the issue. So I ask again, then what value does it bring to use cgc? They're already at 3 month turnaround times for bulk and growing.

It remains to be seen how CGC will adapt on their way to a PSA backlog. Probably poorly, but maybe they will surprise us.

On 1/28/2021 at 9:09 PM, Reg526 said:

That's not what's happening at all psa/bgs did the same and they're still 6-9 month turnaround. It doesn't dissuade people from submitting cards only digs into the profit of bulk resellers while draining collectors further and ultimately lowers the value gained by grading cards.

Don't sell your graded cards for cheap. Do what Wallstreetbets is doing. Hold a strong price until the buyers are forced to pay up for your extra work.

On 1/28/2021 at 10:57 PM, ShiningCollectibles said:

I think the price increases and wait times are rather sad. I understand they are getting busy nowadays but increasing the prices will push many people away. This was the one company we were hoping not to see that from. Two price increases within 8 months. (What is the point in using the newer company now?) You are charging more than BGS for sub grades in bulk (9 + 7 = 16) that is absolutely bonkers. Some people also like getting charged instant so they don't have to magically hope theirs money still in their account.

I agree. I would prefer being charged instantly so that I don't have to worry about being randomly charged down the road.

Legally, they had to make this change.

Does anyone know the date CGC increased their turn-around times? I feel like Economy was at 30 days when I made my submission. Now it's 45 days. Should CGC honor the times they gave when we put in orders? And should they be more transparent about when they makes turn-around time changes?

On 1/24/2021 at 11:10 AM, DB Cards said:

I'm there with you guys. If anything them taking thousands of my limited capitol that I won't see for months up front just prevents me from going out to buy more cards to grade with them.

I'm nearly certain some states find this illegal. Companies can't take your money without supplying you with a product or service within a certain timeframe. This is why PSA charges after grading. I'm pretty sure MTG had to change their Secret Lair payment policies for this exact reason.

A crease would be easy to see on the back. I'm not seeing anything. I feel like we should be able to challenge them on some of their decisions. 

Type: Economy, no sub-grades

Date Received: 12/5

Current Status: Received