Hours to go!

From.... whatever it was in 2019 (1500? I was in the top 10 or 20 in the registry) to 6 CGC graded books... After these sell, it will be down to 3.

Metal Hurlant #1 CGC 8.0 Moebius Richard Corben Heavy Metal

Metal Hurlant #2 CGC 8.0 Moebius Richard Corben Heavy Metal

Metal Hurlant #3 CGC 9.2 Moebius Richard Corben Heavy Metal

I went from ~1400 CGC books in 2018 to like... 5. Does anyone want some CGC boxes  I have 8-10 available. 

Free to anyone who wants to pick them up in the Boston area. 

On 4/21/2022 at 4:26 PM, Crowzilla said:

I don't think the owner has any interest in selling it or his Church Detective 27, but he has owned them 25+ years and with today's prices, who knows.

Last status was apparently not selling, but at that point I had like... 500 CGC graded books and now I have 5, so 🤷‍♂️

On 4/21/2022 at 12:25 AM, sfcityduck said:

Because they are great copies.  Not because they are deemed a ped.  You are buying the book.  But, if you see a copy that you deem as a better issue that is not a ped, you'd take that over the Allentown - because it is a better issue.  

DA has this right.  Side by side and take the top copy.  Ignore the pedigree if all that matters to you is "best."

I wasn't buying million dollar books but I 1000% chose pedigree copies over copies with a higher number on the label when I had the chance and often paid more for a lower grade copy than I would for an "upgrade" with a higher number. And I wasn't paying 4x the GPA for a 9.4 (on books with dozens of higher graded examples) by myself. All those times I was bidding against other people who put the same stock in pedigree copies.

At this top level it's a different story since there are few options with some of these books so the relative importance of the pedigree is lessened somewhat but it's there somewhere. It's built into the hobby.  

On 4/20/2022 at 9:11 PM, sfcityduck said:

If you want the best copy and the Allentown is the best copy, you get it.  But the Allentown pedigree adds nothing to the value for me beyond the quality of the book because it has no story or history of significance. I'd take a better non-ped over an Allentown because these days you don't need the pedigree rep as an indicia of the book's quality.  With the internet, even remotely, we can side by side and evaluate books from incredibly high quality images.  Now the ped concept is just puffery unless it has a good story.

There are some people like you who hold no or little value in pedigree books. This is obvious to me since it's an opinion that people are very vocal about on these boards and I have (n probably a dozen occasions) written pretty well-reasoned responses. I always answer with something similar to the following truncated version. If that's the way you feel, that's cool. On the flip side, there are still people paying 2-10x GPA for some pedigree books.  There are definitely different multiples within the pedigrees, for sure, but it's not down to the story as much as the perceived quality, as far as I've seen. I'm more personally experienced with silver age pedigrees, but the same holds true with GA pedigrees as far as I've seen. The really high quality collections get people excited- to the point where they'll pay 9.8 non-pedigree prices (or more) for 9.4 pedigree books (which I've seen as both a buyer and a seller.) Talk to me about buying White Mountain Daredevils (a completely anonymous pedigree- other than the association with Jerry Weist, I guess.)   

It was one of these, inside ANOTHER frame https://comics.ha.com/itm/memorabilia/comic-related/fortress-comic-protector-group-pedrin-conservatory-1990s-this-is-a-group-of-13-fortress-comic-book-holders-they-are/a/14101-16835.s

On 4/18/2022 at 6:05 PM, VintageComics said:

I don't. I've never seen the interior. 

I imagine the only people who have seen the interior since the 1990s are at CGC. It was in a fortress before it was graded. Literally, the biggest, most diesel fortress I'd ever seen. 

On 4/17/2022 at 12:33 AM, Crowzilla said:

Yes. the Church Superman #1 is a bigger/better book than the Church AA16

Not even the same category. Cool book, but... It's not in the same category as books that feature characters that people still care about 

On 4/15/2022 at 9:31 PM, chrisco37 said:

Anomaly?  It’s Superman 1, which has always been a Top 5 (at worst) book.  It’s a tough book in any grade and notoriously rare in higher grades.  This is one of the best copies in existence. And it’s a Church to boot.  
If any book was going to break the 5M barrier, this  was one of them.  

I was going to write a post where I discussed the value of the best copy of Superman #1 and I was going to argue, that, under certain circumstances (it being a 9.2) it would be the third most valuable comic. Right now, after this result, I'm almost convinced that would be the case.

On 4/15/2022 at 7:51 PM, Crowzilla said:

You are leaving out Snyder who owned it before Redbeard, but at this point I'm not sure who owned it 25 years ago is important (though certainly Redbeard wasn't the one who color touched it)

I should have just guessed, but I also knew someone would know without me having to search for the info. 

On 4/15/2022 at 3:44 PM, buttock said:

Roy sold it to a Saudi prince who traded it for crypto and stolen art to a Russian oligarch.  Then it was traded to a Canadian for poutine and Tim Horton's donuts. 

I so much want to make a Photoshopped image of this whole scene. Damn me and my need to work for a living. 

On 4/15/2022 at 1:37 PM, PGEAR12 said:

Any one know the sales history of this particular book? Haven't been able to find it online, but admittedly, haven't looked too hard.

Redbeard's Book Den sold the book in a private sale for $170,000 in 1996. Private, but super public since the sale was on CNN and there's a photo of the two of them with the book out there somewhere. I don't remember where the book was in the 80s and 90s. Someone will know.

On 4/15/2022 at 11:16 AM, G.A.tor said:

whats interesting is all this info is already known...the buyer (from redbeard), the price, the interior flaws, the color touch, etc...its all "out there" and has been for a long time...but I too, always love talking to redbeard!

Information on the buyer in the 1990s  didn't have to come from Redbeard. That sale was on CNN. My mother called me to talk about it since she had met him a few times. I did some work for him in the 1990s. She called me and said, do you know anything about this? Your friend was on CNN. 

On 4/15/2022 at 10:09 AM, G.A.tor said:

Just because a few folks don’t want to give credit to this sale doesn’t change the fact that it is a legit sale known by those that need/needed to know 

comic sales have existed outside of auctions for 80+ years. Someones opinion not involved with the sale Doesn’t validate or invalidate anymore than anyone else’s opinions. While everyone is entitled to an opinion that fact remains that opinions can be and are often just plain wrong 

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Robin & Batman #1 1/22 D.C. Comics Nguyen Variant Cover CGC 9.8

Robin & Batman #1 1/22 D.C. Comics Variant Cover CGC 9.8

Robin & Batman #1 1/22 D.C. Comics Albuquerque Variant Cover CGC 9.8

Robin & Batman #1 1/22 D.C. Comics CGC 9.8

Also

Superman and the Authority #1 9/21 D.C. Comics Bartel Variant Cover cgc 9.8

On 4/14/2022 at 8:00 PM, MrBedrock said:

Roy is going to be so butthurt!

I would think the fact that his nefarious plot to... something something (I'm not sure what the plot actually is) was found out by the tin foil hat brigade here on the forums would already ruin his day. Now we're just piling on!

On 4/14/2022 at 8:46 PM, adamstrange said:

They are so lucky 

😂

On 4/14/2022 at 7:08 PM, G.A.tor said:

Let’s nudge this thread back and make it about me

why is my 2009 “record” purchase not listed. I’m so hurt hehe

I'll add you! Give me details! Seriously, I'm updating the timeline tonight or tomorrow.

On 4/14/2022 at 5:42 PM, Jaydogrules said:

I don't know who Roy is and neither do 99.99% of people. 

99.99% of people in the world don't know who Roy is, I'll give you that. The percentage of people in this thread that know who Roy is is much higher (including Roy himself )

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Mile High Copy of Superman #1 Sells for Record $5.3 Million

Posted on 4/13/2022

With the record-breaking price, the Man of Steel is back on top of the comic book world.

In a year of constant record-breaking prices for comic books, the ante has been upped yet again. The Edgar Church/Mile High copy of Superman #1, graded 8.0 Universal by Certified Guaranty Company® (CGC®), privately traded hands in January 2022 for $5.3 million, far outpacing the previous record of $3.6 million paid for a CGC 9.6 Amazing Fantasy #15 at auction in September 2021. This sale was brokered by Tony Arnold of TonyeTrade Enterprises, one of the renowned sources for vintage collectibles, and Roy Delic of Vintage Comics, a well-respected dealer in Canada. Both the seller and buyer prefer to remain anonymous.

On 4/14/2022 at 3:46 PM, lou_fine said:

I hope you are NOT actually referring to me in your comment here since you quoted my post in your response here?  

Especially since I generally agree with the point which you are trying to make here.  

No, I'm not referring to you at all. I was making a second, general point 👍

On 4/14/2022 at 12:44 PM, sfcityduck said:

I'm pretty sure we have the info for a buyer or seller for the above three where you are not including it.  The Action 1 info comes from an AP article which I believe names the buyer.  The MPFW info also comes from a news article (Overstreet's market report on 1976 says $6K).  I will check my info.  The D27, I thought you knew.

 

Thanks, I've got a long queue of updates to do after the past few months. Cleaning up the data at the same time is a winnah!