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OT am I the only one watch the UFC tonight?

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Silver Surfer

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That being said Fedor is the best heavy out there no doubt.

 

in PRIDE maybe, but I still think he'd have serious trouble with some of the behemoths of the UFC. Like I said before, weight class is infinitely more important in a cage than in a boxing ring, as the larger guys can physically push you up against the mesh and overwhelm and tire out their opponents.

 

I think Fedor is barely 6". A huge guy like Kongo or a powerful wrestler like Couture can give these guys nightmares, and they will spend most of the night with their back on the cage. In PRIDE, the huge guys must fight or grapple, rather than dirty box against the cage.

 

I think it would be a huge mistake for Fedor to join the UFC and then face off against 6'5" 260 lb giants or 6'2" 240 lb world class wrestlers.

 

Have to disagree JC, Fedor is in a class of his own and a 3-time World Sambo champion and Judo specialist so grappling is probably the strength of his game. His wrestling and submission game is very solid, always scrambling, and very hard to keep down. Kongo is a bad example because he is one dimensional and Fedor would smash him a few times then take him down, probably bang him up a bit before throwing a knee bar on him. Fedor wouldn't sit still and let Couture dirty box him all day and I would be willing to bet that Couture would be leary of shooting into a couple of rights and left to the head and possibly a few knees to the head. Gonzaga came very close to knocking Couture out a few times (even with kicks) and if his nose wasn't shattered by a fluke head knocking then I think he would have took the fight over because it was obvious that it has a huge and painful distraction for him. I still think Gonzaga is going to come back with a vengance if his nose isn't going to rebreak every time he sneezes now.

 

Fedor is short but he is also smart and takes the fight to his opponent, breaking them down with powerful combinations and no fear of exchaning blows and or taking it to the ground. Most fights that CroCop has lost is when he is back peddaling and allowing his opponent to dictate the fight, you just never see that with Fedor.

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I like Fedor, but what you're saying is EXACTLY what PRIDE fans have been saying about every undersized heavyweight that's entered the Octagon so far. If one of these 5'10"-6'1" Pride HW ever holds the belt I'll be very surprised. Just for fun, try carrying a 260-lb weight on your shoulders for 10 minutes and then see how you feel.

 

Weight and height have virtually no meaning in the sometimes open class PRIDE ring, whereas they mean the world once you're in the UFC cage.

 

And I'll say it again: ELBOWS.

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Weight has virtually no meaning in the sometimes open class PRIDE ring, whereas it means the world once you're in the UFC cage.

 

I have to agree with you on that. Weight makes a difference in UFC as opposed to Pride. I hate the Pride ring ropes. Having to reset opponents when they get too close to the ropes, fighters falling thru the ropes and stalling by grabbing the ropes or hanging over them. This isn't a boxing match so ring ropes and a boxing ring are ridiculous in my opinion.

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It is "Royce" and he does steriods and he sucks, so no :)

 

 

Huh? Where did you hear this? He sure doesn't look like he does steroids.

 

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/06/15/royce-gracie-first-ufc-champion-tests-positive-for-steroids/

 

 

doh! Thanks for the link, JC

 

 

 

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Only difference between the ropes and cage is that the cage allows for more brute force where as in Pride skill was needed more. Fedor would not have a problem with Couture. He is not that big. Kongo is way to green for Fedor. I dont know any big heavyweight which presents a problem for Fedor. Being a little short is not a disadvantage especially for a ground and pounder. Shorter fighters have a leverage advantage for take downs. Length is an advantage for striking not grappling. Fedor will adopt easy just wait. But yes the elbows could pose a threat. Couture lost to Josh Barnett who is in Pride. Crocop dismatled him. If any heavyweight has a problem with bigger fighters it is Couture. All his losses from Taller and heavier fighters. He used to gas out often. Thats why he went down in weight. A trained eye can see that Crocop cant fight going back. He has devastating straight punches but no hooks. Just as Liddel is less effective when he has to attack. He is a great counter puncher but leaves his punches out when attacking on his own. That is why Jackson can time him. Will be fun to watch Forrest fight Shogun. I suspect Forrest will get ko'd but we'll see. Forrest swings VERY wide and a trained fighter will pick up on that. Should be action packed. I am curious also who are the other undersized heavyweights from Pride? The rest(except the japanese) were all huge beast my friend. Even Nog is like 6'3". Randleman is now 205. Don Frye started in cage. As with Coleman who also fought at 205.

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Yup I will be there. Trained with a couple of them including Charuto. Tough fight for him going against Sheilds. I also know a couple of trainers. Should have action fights especially the lighter weights. Nam and Oshiro like to bang.

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I think Pride overlooked such things as they had much better fights and the pressuer to use them was high. Also to upshow the UFC. Most of us now in hindsight think that a lot of the early ufc fighters that went over the ocean were using (shamrock,coleman, frye, belfort, kerr) so I wouldnt be surprised if Wandelei or or even crocop used steroids. Wandelei is so aggressive it almost seems apparent but who knows.

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I think Pride overlooked such things as they had much better fights and the pressuer to use them was high. Also to upshow the UFC. Most of us now in hindsight think that a lot of the early ufc fighters that went over the ocean were using (shamrock,coleman, frye, belfort, kerr) so I wouldnt be surprised if Wandelei or or even crocop used steroids. Wandelei is so aggressive it almost seems apparent but who knows.

 

There is no question in my mind that Wanderlai used steriods, his weight balloned when he fought CroCop yet he was still ripped with that typical jacked up look that is common with these roid monkeys.

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I like Fedor, but what you're saying is EXACTLY what PRIDE fans have been saying about every undersized heavyweight that's entered the Octagon so far. If one of these 5'10"-6'1" Pride HW ever holds the belt I'll be very surprised. Just for fun, try carrying a 260-lb weight on your shoulders for 10 minutes and then see how you feel.

 

Weight and height have virtually no meaning in the sometimes open class PRIDE ring, whereas they mean the world once you're in the UFC cage.

 

And I'll say it again: ELBOWS.

 

Yes going to the cage is a big adjustment but outside of Gonzaga how many guys that in the 250 range and over are even 1/10th the figther that Fedor is? The Maniac Silva is a joke, the pit bull Orlovsky has no chin, Frank "too many beers" Mir? Who else is there? Just look back at a guy like Nog, has a decent height, puncher and a tremendous grappler yet he took a beating when he fought Fedor because Fedor never gave him a second to breath. I want to see Barnett back in the cage, he is very skilled on the submissions, in close strikes and a big frame that can smother a guy against the cage. Like I said earlier Fedor is so good because he constantly scrambles so no one is going to sit on his shoulders for 10 minutes because he will roll out and either throw an arm bar on you punish you with strikes and eliminate any in close attacks from his opponent. He barely worked up a sweat submitting Lindall who is an Olympic caliber wrestler.

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I dont want to assume anything. Wanderlei was huge early in his career so in his defense perhaps he just cuts really well. I saw a fight with him before he fought Belfort in Brazil and he looked almost 230 lbs of muscle. But yes he does have a lot of the sypmtoms.

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I think Pride overlooked such things as they had much better fights and the pressuer to use them was high. Also to upshow the UFC. Most of us now in hindsight think that a lot of the early ufc fighters that went over the ocean were using (shamrock,coleman, frye, belfort, kerr) so I wouldnt be surprised if Wandelei or or even crocop used steroids. Wandelei is so aggressive it almost seems apparent but who knows.

 

You just echoed my exact thoughts along with the same fighters I suspected.

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I dont want to assume anything. Wanderlei was huge early in his career so in his defense perhaps he just cuts really well. I saw a fight with him before he fought Belfort in Brazil and he looked almost 230 lbs of muscle. But yes he does have a lot of the sypmtoms.

 

Yeah, be nice to Wanderlei :)

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