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Hulk 180 prices?

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szelim

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As far as #182, this issue is apparently retaining its value since it completes the story of Wolvie's first appearance.

 

Obviously, but my point was that Hulk 179 is worth squat, so even a single panel of Wolvie's pubic hair would be worth more than that book.

 

Proves nothing.

That pretty much describes how much of Wolvie was in #180. Hardly a good argument for why this issue should come anywhere near the value of #181.

 

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WiseGuyX

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As far as #182, this issue is apparently retaining its value since it completes the story of Wolvie's first appearance.

 

Obviously, but my point was that Hulk 179 is worth squat, so even a single panel of Wolvie's pubic hair would be worth more than that book.

 

Proves nothing.

That pretty much describes how much of Wolvie was in #180. Hardly a good argument for why this issue should come anywhere near the value of #181.

 

Hulk 180 has long been noted as the first Cameo appearience of Wolverine.

 

Wikipedia defines Cameo as...

 

A cameo role or cameo appearance (often shortened to just cameo) is a brief appearance of a known person in a work of the performing arts, such as plays, films, video games[1] and television.

 

It's hard to make a Cameo apearience when you're an unknown charater. Hulk 180 was the first time we saw or heard of Wolverine dispite it being a single panel. Hulk 181 is the second time Wolverine was seen or mentioned in a comic making it his second apearience. The first apearience of a new charater is typicaly held is higher regaurd than a second apearience charater. I'm sure there is some example comic where a second apearience person is held more valuable than an original apearience but I can't think of one outside of this one. So it just makes sense to me that a Hulk 180 is a little under valued while the Hulk 181 could be a little over valued.

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#180 may be a cameo, but it is a full splash page. I would definitely consider #182 a cameo, as Wolverine is barely visible. But #180.... I would think that it should have more value.

 

Let's not overstate - it's a little bigger than a 1/4 splash. I have a picture for this thread I will need to dig up and post. Stay tuned.

 

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szelim

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Dug thru some old OSPGs. Here are the notes and "Mint" values:

 

#7 (1977-78)

161-206: $0.45

 

#8 (1978-79)

161-176,179,180: $0.75

177,178 - Warlock app.: $1.50

181 - 1st app. Wolverine: $1.20

182-200: $0.60

 

#9 (1979-1980)

151-176,179,180: $1.05

177,178 - Warlock app.: $1.50

181 - 1st app. Wolverine: $1.20

182-200: $0.75

 

#11 (1981-82)

161-175,179: $1.50

176-178 - Warlock app.: $4.50

180 - 1st app. Wolverine: $12.00

181, 182 - Wolverine cameo: $5.25

183-200: $1.50

 

I'm pretty sure the 180 and 181 in #11 are typos. Anyone know how many issues of OSPG they stayed that way? I don't have any other old issues.

 

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It's hard to make a Cameo apearience when you're an unknown charater. ... I'm sure there is some example comic where a second apearience person is held more valuable than an original apearience but I can't think of one outside of this one.

 

First off, there has been a specific "comic book cameo" definition in place for decades, and it does NOT preclude first appearances. I know the movie nerds like Arnoldt get all up in arms about any use of "cameo" that disagrees with their own narrow views, but that how things evolve. So please, let's drop this one.

 

As for other "cameo/brief first appearances" that are worth less than the "first full appearance", there are quite a few, and many are exactly the same as Wolverine, if not as important as the premiere character of the BA.

 

Avengers 185 has a last panel appearance of Taskmaster, but it's 186 with this first full appearance/first cover that gets the attention. Same with Mystique in all those Ms Marvel comics, along with many other lesser heroes and villains. Even Sabertooth and Cable technically appeared in the "Next Issue" part of the previous issues, and there are tons of preview ads that herald upcoming characters.

 

In cases like this, the cover plays a significant role, and one that has only grown since CGC. Truthfully, if you're a fan of the character, you'd have to be a complete insufficiently_thoughtful_person to prefer a CGC copy of Hulk 180 over 181, or Avengers 185 over 186 or New Mutants 86 over 87.

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Though not the case with Hulk 180 and 181. The affect of a 1st appearance in an annual or other non standard comic also seems to reduce demand. Avengers annual 10 and Fear (magazine) with Manthing. Elfquest in Fantasy Quarterly 1 (although that's also a supply issue). I'd be interested to know the extant of the 1st Sandman appearance in Worlds Fair #1.

 

Regarding Wolverine and Hulk, lets not forget the Wolverine appearances in the letters column in Hulk 186.

 

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Was that in all Marvel issues or just a few?

 

More than one, but I don't think it was in them all, like some other ads. I got this one from a Daredevil comic, but I think it was in a few others.

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Though not the case with Hulk 180 and 181. The affect of a 1st appearance in an annual or other non standard comic also seems to reduce demand. Avengers annual 10 and Fear (magazine) with Manthing. Elfquest in Fantasy Quarterly 1 (although that's also a supply issue). I'd be interested to know the extant of the 1st Sandman appearance in Worlds Fair #1.

 

Regarding Wolverine and Hulk, lets not forget the Wolverine appearances in the letters column in Hulk 186.

 

Ed

 

 

I still have it :headbang:

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It's hard to make a Cameo apearience when you're an unknown charater. ... I'm sure there is some example comic where a second apearience person is held more valuable than an original apearience but I can't think of one outside of this one.

 

First off, there has been a specific "comic book cameo" definition in place for decades, and it does NOT preclude first appearances. I know the movie nerds like Arnoldt get all up in arms about any use of "cameo" that disagrees with their own narrow views, but that how things evolve. So please, let's drop this one.

 

As for other "cameo/brief first appearances" that are worth less than the "first full appearance", there are quite a few, and many are exactly the same as Wolverine, if not as important as the premiere character of the BA.

 

Avengers 185 has a last panel appearance of Taskmaster, but it's 186 with this first full appearance/first cover that gets the attention. Same with Mystique in all those Ms Marvel comics, along with many other lesser heroes and villains. Even Sabertooth and Cable technically appeared in the "Next Issue" part of the previous issues, and there are tons of preview ads that herald upcoming characters.

 

In cases like this, the cover plays a significant role, and one that has only grown since CGC. Truthfully, if you're a fan of the character, you'd have to be a complete insufficiently_thoughtful_person to prefer a CGC copy of Hulk 180 over 181, or Avengers 185 over 186 or New Mutants 86 over 87.

 

I don't think anyone is saying they would prefer to have Hulk #180 to #181, just that it is probably way undervalued in comparison. And I don't think New Mutants &86 is very similar to Hulk #180. That is a tiny picture of Cable and this is a 1/3 splash of the character.

 

Your point is accurate about the other cameos though.

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