The real "Pressing" Question Goes Live....Man up!

[Comicopolis]

Just to be clear:

 

Disclosure : Yes

Restoration: I don't care

[RockMyAmadeus]

If I'm the seller and I know a book has been pressed that information will be disclosed in the description.

 

If someone then asks me the question 'What to you mean by pressed' I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't think it's a hardship to answer genuine questions.

 

I also don't think it's a hardship to say 'this book has been pressed'.

 

And while I respect everybody's opinion (yes, even the ones I don't agree with) I find it somewhat strange that some would disagree with the two bolded statements above.

 

Then again, I find most human beings somewhat strange anyway

 

You have an advantage over the average buyer on eBay....

 

You're smarter than they are.

 

If you don't think that makes a difference, it's, again, because you're smarter than the average eBay buyer. What is not puzzling to you is mind boggling to some.

 

Typing the words "this book has been pressed" is no hardship.

 

Explaining what pressing is to someone who has never heard of it, and who isn't all that bright to begin with...?

 

Ah, yes, now that's a bird of a different feather, innit.....

 

(The answer is yes, most definitely.)

[Comicopolis]

If I'm the seller and I know a book has been pressed that information will be disclosed in the description.

 

If someone then asks me the question 'What to you mean by pressed' I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't think it's a hardship to answer genuine questions.

 

I also don't think it's a hardship to say 'this book has been pressed'.

 

And while I respect everybody's opinion (yes, even the ones I don't agree with) I find it somewhat strange that some would disagree with the two bolded statements above.

 

Then again, I find most human beings somewhat strange anyway

 

You have an advantage over the average buyer on eBay....

 

You're smarter than they are.

 

If you don't think that makes a difference, it's, again, because you're smarter than the average eBay buyer. What is not puzzling to you is mind boggling to some.

 

Typing the words "this book has been pressed" is no hardship.

 

Explaining what pressing is to someone who has never heard of it, and who isn't all that bright to begin with...?

 

Ah, yes, now that's a bird of a different feather, innit.....

 

(The answer is yes, most definitely.)

 

No - I'll just post them your way (thumbs u

[RockMyAmadeus]

If I'm the seller and I know a book has been pressed that information will be disclosed in the description.

 

If someone then asks me the question 'What to you mean by pressed' I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't think it's a hardship to answer genuine questions.

 

I also don't think it's a hardship to say 'this book has been pressed'.

 

And while I respect everybody's opinion (yes, even the ones I don't agree with) I find it somewhat strange that some would disagree with the two bolded statements above.

 

Then again, I find most human beings somewhat strange anyway

 

I know exactly what RMA is talking about...the vast majority of the modern collectors I know wouldn't have a clue why anyone would bother with pressing. If you explain to them why it happens, it will open up a can of worms that could take years to close back up for that person. Just look at how much pain it's caused around here for 5-6 years now...educating a low-cost comic collector on a process they barely understand potentially inspires an endless supply self-righteous indignation in customers who otherwise wouldn't have ever considered the topic. Laissez-faire free-market minds will be fine with it...socialist thinkers will wig out...condition freaks could go either way...and anyone in between could also go either way. It's a great way to severely limit your customer base.

 

Pre-CISE-ly.

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

If I'm the seller and I know a book has been pressed that information will be disclosed in the description.

 

If someone then asks me the question 'What to you mean by pressed' I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't think it's a hardship to answer genuine questions.

 

I also don't think it's a hardship to say 'this book has been pressed'.

 

And while I respect everybody's opinion (yes, even the ones I don't agree with) I find it somewhat strange that some would disagree with the two bolded statements above.

 

Then again, I find most human beings somewhat strange anyway

 

You have an advantage over the average buyer on eBay....

 

You're smarter than they are.

 

If you don't think that makes a difference, it's, again, because you're smarter than the average eBay buyer. What is not puzzling to you is mind boggling to some.

 

Typing the words "this book has been pressed" is no hardship.

 

Explaining what pressing is to someone who has never heard of it, and who isn't all that bright to begin with...?

 

Ah, yes, now that's a bird of a different feather, innit.....

 

(The answer is yes, most definitely.)

 

No - I'll just post them your way (thumbs u

 

Smarter than the average eBay buyer...but not by much...

 

[Comicopolis]

If I'm the seller and I know a book has been pressed that information will be disclosed in the description.

 

If someone then asks me the question 'What to you mean by pressed' I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

I don't think it's a hardship to answer genuine questions.

 

I also don't think it's a hardship to say 'this book has been pressed'.

 

And while I respect everybody's opinion (yes, even the ones I don't agree with) I find it somewhat strange that some would disagree with the two bolded statements above.

 

Then again, I find most human beings somewhat strange anyway

 

You have an advantage over the average buyer on eBay....

 

You're smarter than they are.

 

If you don't think that makes a difference, it's, again, because you're smarter than the average eBay buyer. What is not puzzling to you is mind boggling to some.

 

Typing the words "this book has been pressed" is no hardship.

 

Explaining what pressing is to someone who has never heard of it, and who isn't all that bright to begin with...?

 

Ah, yes, now that's a bird of a different feather, innit.....

 

(The answer is yes, most definitely.)

 

No - I'll just post them your way (thumbs u

 

Smarter than the average eBay buyer...but not by much...

 

 

I know we don't see eye-to-eye on everything but I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself there.

[Tsimanga]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

[seanfingh]

Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

You owe paperheart an apology.

[ChasingKingKirby]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

Yes. This is 100% true. 90% of the books in my collection were purchased in the "aftermarket". I honestly have no idea which ones are pressed.

[DarkKnightReturns]

Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

You owe paperheart an apology.

[gaz973]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

Just because a future owner of a comic may not disclose it as pressed doesn't mean that disclosure hasn't benefitted a previous owner or potential buyer of the book. Should they have lost the chance to make an informed decision because someone in the future may not give a ?

 

Disclosure is not useless as you say it is, I've sold disclosed pressed books before. If I hadn't been told that they'd been pressed, then those I sold to wouldn't have known either.

[whisp]

Hey Guys,

 

Lets do a LIVE poll, none of this hiding behind a Anonymous vote.

 

So all you sellers, buyers, dealers, pressers, comic collectors, post you vote live so we all can see where you stand.

 

I hope we can keep this thread civil but lets finally see where everyone stands.

 

Question is......

 

SHOULD ALL "PRESSING" WHETHER YOU CONSIDER IT RESTORATION OR NOT BE DISCLOSED 100% OF THE TIME BEFORE YOU SELL EACH PRESSED BOOK?

 

 

I will go first........

 

YES

[Not*Sure*]

I refuse to man up sorry

[Tsimanga]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

Just because a future owner of a comic may not disclose it as pressed doesn't mean that disclosure hasn't benefitted a previous owner or potential buyer of the book. Should they have lost the chance to make an informed decision because someone in the future may not give a ?

 

Disclosure is not useless as you say it is, I've sold disclosed pressed books before. If I hadn't been told that they'd been pressed, then those I sold to wouldn't have known either.

 

 

 

And I'm sure you've sold many books that were pressed that you didn't know were, could't have known.

 

 

Point is, I do agree that if one is 100% sure a book as been pressed, either by themself or they know first hand than the right thing to do is to disclose that information.

 

But... there are so many holes, so many cracks in this system that having such a thing as NOD or whatnot is useless. Millions of books changing millions of hands simply cannot be tracked. I've gotten to the point were I consider every book slabbed 2008 and up to have been pressed.

 

 

[gaz973]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

Just because a future owner of a comic may not disclose it as pressed doesn't mean that disclosure hasn't benefitted a previous owner or potential buyer of the book. Should they have lost the chance to make an informed decision because someone in the future may not give a ?

 

Disclosure is not useless as you say it is, I've sold disclosed pressed books before. If I hadn't been told that they'd been pressed, then those I sold to wouldn't have known either.

 

 

 

And I'm sure you've sold many books that were pressed that you didn't know were, could't have known.

 

 

Point is, I do agree that if one is 100% sure a book as been pressed, either by themself or they know first hand than the right thing to do is to disclose that information.

 

But... there are so many holes, so many cracks in this system that having such a thing as NOD or whatnot is useless. Millions of books changing millions of hands simply cannot be tracked. I've gotten to the point were I consider every book slabbed 2008 and up to have been pressed.

 

 

If the pressing history is unknown then it's unknown and there's nothng that can be done about it. At some point, someone has let that knowledge slip away and that's what I don't like. If I can make a difference temporarily with any books then it's worth it in my opinion. I also tell anyone if they're buying a book from me that I know isn't pressed.

 

Basically I can see your point that with so many undisclosed books on the market, there is no going back on the lack of disclosure with them. My point is that disclosing knowledge on what we do know, is still worthwhile.

[Bomber-Bob]

Doesn't matter. There is too long of a chain of custudy of comic books changing hands. The 'disclosure' of pressure is pointless.

 

I could sell A a book, and disclose it as pressed.

 

A sells the book to B and doesn't disclose.

 

B sells the book back to me and I sell it as unpressed.

 

And on and on and on...

 

 

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Unless you are the OO then this disclosure of pressing is useless and one of the silliest things in comic books today (besides collecting Aquamans)

 

 

Just because a future owner of a comic may not disclose it as pressed doesn't mean that disclosure hasn't benefitted a previous owner or potential buyer of the book. Should they have lost the chance to make an informed decision because someone in the future may not give a ?

 

Disclosure is not useless as you say it is, I've sold disclosed pressed books before. If I hadn't been told that they'd been pressed, then those I sold to wouldn't have known either.

 

 

 

And I'm sure you've sold many books that were pressed that you didn't know were, could't have known.

 

 

Point is, I do agree that if one is 100% sure a book as been pressed, either by themself or they know first hand than the right thing to do is to disclose that information.

 

But... there are so many holes, so many cracks in this system that having such a thing as NOD or whatnot is useless. Millions of books changing millions of hands simply cannot be tracked. I've gotten to the point were I consider every book slabbed 2008 and up to have been pressed.

 

 

If the pressing history is unknown then it's unknown and there's nothng that can be done about it. At some point, someone has let that knowledge slip away and that's what I don't like. If I can make a difference temporarily with any books then it's worth it in my opinion. I also tell anyone if they're buying a book from me that I know isn't pressed.

 

Basically I can see your point that with so many undisclosed books on the market, there is no going back on the lack of disclosure with them. My point is that disclosing knowledge on what we do know, is still worthwhile.

 

+1 (thumbs u