JIM Census Data

[HooDeeDoo]

Seeing as JIM is "supahot", I thought I'd compile a little list regarding the high grade (9.0-9.8) books on the Census.

 

Only one 9.8

#116

 

None graded 9.6 (12)

#84,85,88,90,91,94,103,106-109,116

 

Only one 9.6 (14)

#84,89,92,93,95,98,101,104,105,113,115,118,119,122

 

Only one 9.4 (6)

84,86,89,90,92,95

 

Only two graded 9.4 (10)

87,91,93,94,96,100,102,103,108,109

 

Most common 9.4 with five or more copies

#124 (17)

#121 (8)

#123 (8)

#105 (7)

#106 (6)

#113 (6)

#114 (6)

#88 (5)

#98 (5)

#117 (5)

#119 (5)

#120 (5)

 

Most common in High Grade

#124 (51)

#112 (28)

#121 (25)

#114 (24)

#125 (19)

#101 (18)

#113 (18)

 

Least common in High Grade

#95 (3)

#84 (4)

#90 (5)

#89 (6)

#104 (8)

#83 (9)

#87 (9)

 

The 9.4 books, IMHO, you more than likely will never see for sale in the near future, unless a raw book gets slabbed.

#84,86,87,89-97,100-103,108,109,115

 

I think it's safe to say, JIM is the rarest high-grade superhero title in the Marvel universe.

 

Now when are people going to WAKE UP about Thor?

 

 

[Fan4Fan]

Now when are people going to WAKE UP about Thor?

 

Probably very soon seeing as I have a few nice (VF-ish) Kirby Thor books and have been thinking about working my way back. You'll know I've made up my mind to get the singles (as opposed to the Masterworks) when prices start to really skyrocket...

 

Thanks,

Fan4Fan

[fantastic_four]

I think it's safe to say, JIM is the rarest high-grade superhero title in the Marvel universe.

 

Is it? Are the early Fantastic Four, Hulk, and Tales of Suspense issues more common? I didn't think they were...I'm thinking all the 1961-1963 Marvels are rare except Spidey, Daredevil, and X-Men. If I remember correctly, over half of the first 20 issues of Fantastic Four have no known 9.6s yet, although it has been about 6 months or so since I did that analysis.

[rube11]

And what about 83?

[HooDeeDoo]

And what about 83?

 

oops

 

It would also fall under the "least common in high-grade" column with a total of 9.

[Aman619]

here the whole lowdown on the JIM census, courtesy of Valiantmen's cool flter.

the real deal

[HooDeeDoo]

Are the early Fantastic Four, Hulk, and Tales of Suspense issues more common?

 

OK, here's the FF info for #1-51.

 

Only nine with only one 9.8

#32,33,35,41,45,47,50

 

None graded 9.6 (15)

#2,3,4,5,7,8,11,12,13,17,31,34,37,43,50

 

Only one 9.6 (13)

#1,6,9,15,16,18,20,22,23,28,29,32,51

 

Only one 9.4 (2)

#3,6

 

Only two graded 9.4 (6)

#7,10,11,13,25,29

 

Most common 9.4 with nine or more copies

#48 (51)

#44 (34)

#41 (16)

#46 (16)

#47 (16)

#14 (10)

#28 (10)

#35 (10)

#26 (9)

#43 (9)

 

Most common in High Grade

#48 (187)

#44 (100)

#46 (52)

#41 (41)

 

Least common in High Grade

#1 (8)

#3 (8)

#18 (9)

#6 (10)

#7 (12)

#11 (12)

#13 (12)

 

They appear to be more common than JIM.

[murph0]

Now when are people going to WAKE UP about Thor?

 

 

The title would have to definately become more universally popular for that to happen.

 

Brian

[supapimp]

shhhhhhh!!!!!! would you PLEASE stop telling everyone.

[fantastic_four]

They appear to be more common than JIM.

 

Nice work!!! But if you filtered out the FF issues which came out after JIM 125, I'm not so sure the numbers are much different.

 

My census population hypothesis is that the rarity of the early Marvels is linked more to the times they were released than to a particular title, with the exception of the new titles which came out following Amazing Spider-Man #1. I suspect that Marvel increased their print runs at least twice--once after Fantastic Four #1 became a hit, and again after Amazing Fantasy 15 and Amazing Spider-Man became a hit. Because there is no known print run data from that time, it's a hard--maybe even impossible--hypothesis to validate, but it is one that makes some sense based upon Stan Lee's comments over the years and the kind of decision many of us would make if we were in Martin Goodman's shoes.

 

The Census numbers so far are validating it...if we match up JIM and FF issues from equivalent months, I suspect the counts are extremely similar. Unfortunately, to get a real picture, we might still have to wait another decade or so for more data...it could just be that not enough of either title has been submitted yet to draw conclusions at this point.

[HooDeeDoo]

if we match up JIM and FF issues from equivalent months, I suspect the counts are extremely similar.

 

Actually, they're not, I just lined up all the issues and the FF is well-ahead of JIM. I don't feel like typing all the info at the moment - I'll do it later - it's an interesting comparison.

[14 of spades]

They appear to be more common than JIM.

 

i'm not disagreeing with this point necessarily, but you can't count census as being a definitive statement about existence...

 

it's (very) possible that more FFs have been submitted than thor. hence the bigger census figures.

[blowout]

They appear to be more common than JIM.

 

You seem to be completely disregarding demand in your comparisons. You cannot possibly conclude from the CGC census that JIM is the rarest Marvel superhero book in HG. What you CAN conclude, is that because of the low demand for the title it is one of the least submitted Marvel titles.

Perhaps a comparison of the PERCENTAGE of books submitted that have received a high grade would give a more acurate picture.

[JiveTurkeyMoFo]

I'm glad this thread has been revived, because frankly, neither the early Thor appearances, nor early FFs, are the rarest early Marvel title in high grade (IMHO). And the census seems to concur:

 

Consider the plight of our diminutive friend, the Ant-Man, in Tales To Astonish.

 

The first three appearances alone:

 

# 27 (1 CGC 9.2, none higher)

# 35 (1 9.6, no 9.4s, no 9.2s)

# 36 (2 in 9.6, 1 in 9.2) By the way, how there are 2 9.6s of this ultra tough book is beyond me, especially since there are no 9.4s & 1 9.2.

 

I tried to put a NM run of this title together about a decade ago, since it seemed to be on the back burner of most collectors minds, and cheaper then collecting FFs and Spideys. I gave up after a year or so, because all I could turn up of the earliest issues were F/VF to VF copies.

[murph0]

Not only is it the rarest, but I'd bet that it's one of the least collected.

However, I'm betting TtA 27 is actually one of the toughest Silver Marvels.

 

Brian