Frazetta???? You decide

[Bronty]

the one up now certainly does look much better, good point rich

[artcollector9]

comicartcom, NO WAY...check out the ones that are in completed auction...they are NOT Frazetta...one has the circle that should be around the 'c' for copyright around the date--the forger doesn't even have the sense to copy that correctly.

[artcollector9]

THis is absolutely a fake:

 

Check this out:

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Frazetta-Original-pen-and-ink_W0QQitemZ170293254830QQcmdZViewItemQQptZArt_Paintings?hash=item170293254830&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

 

[Dollarbill]

If it's a fake, why would he put Frank Jr's number in the auction for someone to call him out on it?

[artcollector9]

Because HE IS Frank JR!!!

[spider9698]

Wow!!! I never even saw that one. NO WAY that is Frazetta. The linework is too forced and amateurish. No fluidity to the lines. The signature is awful and the copyright thing that you bring up is unbelievable.

[artcollector9]

Yes...the backgrounds are crude, the cross hatching is poorly done, Frank always did that meticulously... the signature is a joke, and the forger doesn't understand the copyright thing...overall a cheap quick lousy uninspired rip off. NO WAY this is the great Frazetta.

[spider9698]

OK. Compare these two Conan the Usurper prelims which Heritage sold versus the one on ebay.

 

Heritage:

 

 

Heritage:

 

 

and now the one on ebay:

 

 

Comments please....

 

 

[shiverbones]

I have to say they look odd to me too. What you do is still telltale, whether it is quick or detailed, there are signifiers that appear to be missing. On the prelim, the transparency of the washes looks off, the blocking of the figure stiff. On the drawing, the hatching is amateurish. If you know how to hatch, you always know, it may be quicker, but it still looks confident.

[shiverbones]

seeing those now that you just posted, which I did not see before my last point show a telling difference

 

Frazetta is deciphering the subject matter on the 1st two...over emphasizing lines and edges, so HE knows where they are on the finished piece.

 

The prelim in question is all hazy, there is no point to it, he is not learning where that leg is, he is not choosing value spots, it's just wrong in my eyes.

[spider9698]

The differences are profound.

 

[artcollector9]

No comparison---a different hand did the one on Ebay now.

[Bronty]

wow. I really hope this isn't frank jr doing this

[shiverbones]

Thats what I think a lot of people are afraid to say out loud.

[artcollector9]

Exactly, but when you take away all other possibilities, that is all that is left....

[Dollarbill]

wow.I really hope this isn't frank jr doing this

 

[spider9698]

Hopefully Frank Jr will respond to my phone call and we can lay these issues to rest.

 

[spider9698]

OK. Please someone tell me that I am overreacting. What do you think of the following.

 

Published Frazetta drawing:

 

 

And the one that just sold for $2500

 

 

 

[artcollector9]

No comparison--the forgery is very clumsy, unpolished--the crosshatching difference is striking--does ANYONE believe that these two are from the same hand? Look at the wrong copyright notice in the copy--Frank did this (correctly) 1000 times-- Frank usually left a lot of paper around these ink drawings, this one is all wrong.

[spider9698]

There are fewer lines in the top work but each line carries with it such depth and power. The lower image is too forced. Look at the right arm holding the mace in the lower drawing. The simple sketch of a the chain attached to the head (?) is all wrong, too amateurish. And if Frank were to do a separate pen and ink drawing to highlight a different weapon being held, he would focus more energy and detail on that aspect of the drawing. This appears to be done as an afterthought.

 

I am confused.