Comiclink Auctions - Avengers & ASM prices through the roof

[LordRahl]

Anything at it's full potential has no upside, thus sells for reasonable numbers.

 

Somebody with lots of time on their hands should have scans of these "record" prices/books.

 

I see a new 300+ page of new manufactured 9.6/9.8's.

 

Of course the "spin" will that these are all consignor owned books that magically come up for resale on Comiclink.

 

How does that explain the 9.8s that go for stupid money? No one in their right mind would think pressing a 9.8 will result in a 9.9/10. So someone out there is paying real money for non-pressing/flipping purposes.

 

That's a good question.

 

Also how does that explain all the books that never come back onto the market?

 

I have not seen 9.8s that have gone for absolutely inexplicable numbers in comparison to what other 9.8s have sold for because they represent either the top grade solo or are tied for a top grade. A 9.8 spidey selling for double what the last 9.8, while surprising, is not earth shattering. Especially if it only represents a couple hundred dollar difference.

 

A 9.0 Avengers 16 selling for 5x what it sold for previously is shocking. It also depends on the actual value of the book previously. An Avengers 57 9.6 selling for $3500 suddenly selling for $7500 is shocking, even though the multiplier is essentially 2, same as my 9.8 example.

 

The comiclink auctions do have other factors at play besides press and resub including buyers who are going crazy with a strong desire to own a book and a run up in popularity on a given book. Comiclink also has a very strong customer base. I don't believe Josh is shilling auctions. One thing I think he's very careful about is doing something that is outright wrong or illegal. Shill bidding is.

 

This isn't some conspiracy theory or idle speculation... there are those that have information you don't have about a given book, and it isn't just from a scan. That's fine so long as you understand that Avengers 16s in 9.0 shouldn't, and my guess wouldn't, sell routinely for $2600.

 

Try putting one for sale on the boards for $2k and see if someone will hit the BIN.

 

So yes, not every book has some sinister run up -- many of those are not "candidates" for more.

 

I'm not saying that some of these books aren't selling for silly money because of upgrade potential. I'm saying that it's not the only reason that books are selling for silly money. It's not like every 9.4 and 9.6 that sells for a record price is the result of ONE guy out there that is buying it to press and flip. Even within the terms of the auction, there has to be at least TWO people willing to pay $2600 for that Avengers 16.

[Tec-Tac-Toe]

I won a Bat book for about $20 under the last GPA recorded sale. Of course, if I only win this one book I will pay $14.00 in S&H for it.

 

 

$20 less on a $25 book is great. $20 less on $1000 book not so great.

 

Notice to all "investors" - STAY AWAY FROM BATMAN BOOKS - STICK TO YOUR ASM'S

 

You don't want Batman, it's a DC book.

 

 

$20 below GPA on an approximately $140.00 book. Not too bad as I will likely keep it in my CGC slabbed comic book collection for the near future.

 

 

My basic definition of a great deal is if you can pick up a main title at 70% of 12 month GPA. It's tough, but can be done.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If my memory serves, I believe I paid approximately 64% of the 12 month GPA average for a CGC 9.4 Tec 400. As you mention, and to my experience, it is tough to find such deals.

[LordRahl]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

[dekeuk]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

 

 

Why would Josh want to mess up a good thing? He's successfully taken all the best books away from Heritage.

 

He's getting 10% on EVERY sale. The AF 15 that sells for $37k he gets $3700. He Avengers 16 that sells for $2600 he gets $260.

 

He doesn't need to pull a bunch of BS to make a fortune.

 

It's like Las Vegas casinos. They don't need or want to cheat their customers. They are making too much legitimate money to even consider it.

 

 

[DrWatson]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

...and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

I don't know. It could be any number of individuals in the role of the shill.

[DrWatson]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

 

 

Why would Josh want to mess up a good thing? He's successfully taken all the best books away from Heritage.

 

He's getting 10% on EVERY sale. The AF 15 that sells for $37k he gets $3700. He Avengers 16 that sells for $2600 he gets $260.

 

He doesn't need to pull a bunch of BS to make a fortune.

 

It's like Las Vegas casinos. They don't need or want to cheat their customers. They are making too much legitimate money to even consider it.

 

I am not sure that an analogy likening ComicLink to a Las Vegas casino supports your point.

[joeypost]

 

 

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

It would be good for business. If the staff has a sharp enough eye knowing what to look for and knowing who to call, would definitely help drive up prices due to any potential that the book might have.

 

I would think this is a better risk than buying raw on ebay or even from some well known dealers.

 

[dekeuk]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

 

 

Why would Josh want to mess up a good thing? He's successfully taken all the best books away from Heritage.

 

He's getting 10% on EVERY sale. The AF 15 that sells for $37k he gets $3700. He Avengers 16 that sells for $2600 he gets $260.

 

He doesn't need to pull a bunch of BS to make a fortune.

 

It's like Las Vegas casinos. They don't need or want to cheat their customers. They are making too much legitimate money to even consider it.

 

I am not sure that an analogy likening ComicLink to a Las Vegas casino supports your point.

 

I supports me 100% because it is the CASINOS that don't want any hint of conspiracy that any casino may be cheating it's customers. They make millions legitimately, and any impression that Vegas cheats it's customers, whether true or not, only hurts them.

 

It's the same for Josh. He's got a great thing going. But if too many people start thinking the auctions are fixed, that will drive away business. That is why it is in Josh's bext long term interests to run a 100% honest operation.

 

 

 

 

 

[GACollectibles]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

 

 

Why would Josh want to mess up a good thing? He's successfully taken all the best books away from Heritage.

 

He's getting 10% on EVERY sale. The AF 15 that sells for $37k he gets $3700. He Avengers 16 that sells for $2600 he gets $260.

 

He doesn't need to pull a bunch of BS to make a fortune.

 

It's like Las Vegas casinos. They don't need or want to cheat their customers. They are making too much legitimate money to even consider it.

 

I am not sure that an analogy likening ComicLink to a Las Vegas casino supports your point.

 

I supports me 100% because it is the CASINOS that don't want any hint of conspiracy that any casino may be cheating it's customers. They make millions legitimately, and any impression that Vegas cheats it's customers, whether true or not, only hurts them.

 

It's the same for Josh. He's got a great thing going. But if too many people start thinking the auctions are fixed, that will drive away business. That is why it is in Josh's bext long term interests to run a 100% honest operation.

 

 

 

Right! Just like Bernard Madoff!

 

Oops, bad example.

[dekeuk]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand, and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

 

 

Why would Josh want to mess up a good thing? He's successfully taken all the best books away from Heritage.

 

He's getting 10% on EVERY sale. The AF 15 that sells for $37k he gets $3700. He Avengers 16 that sells for $2600 he gets $260.

 

He doesn't need to pull a bunch of BS to make a fortune.

 

It's like Las Vegas casinos. They don't need or want to cheat their customers. They are making too much legitimate money to even consider it.

 

I am not sure that an analogy likening ComicLink to a Las Vegas casino supports your point.

 

I supports me 100% because it is the CASINOS that don't want any hint of conspiracy that any casino may be cheating it's customers. They make millions legitimately, and any impression that Vegas cheats it's customers, whether true or not, only hurts them.

 

It's the same for Josh. He's got a great thing going. But if too many people start thinking the auctions are fixed, that will drive away business. That is why it is in Josh's bext long term interests to run a 100% honest operation.

 

 

 

Right! Just like Bernard Madoff!

 

Oops, bad example.

 

Madoff NEVER made a legitimate dollar. He ran a ponzi sceme from the very beginning. He never had a legitimate operation to threaten.

 

It amazes me how people can toss out vague accusations of criminal activity (i.e. auction fraud) on the internet with no proof to back it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[paperheart]

 

It amazes me how people can toss out vague accusations of criminal activity (i.e. auction fraud) on the internet with no proof to back it up.

 

al gore created the internet so people could toss out vague accusations with no proof to back them up

[LordRahl]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

...and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

I don't know. It could be any number of individuals in the role of the shill.

 

If you are thinking of the same people that I'm thiniking of here, I tend to doubt that CL would shill them up to this level. I have been proven wrong before however. But if not a shill that leaves the question of who exactly is willing to pay $2500 for a 9.0 Avengers 16

[DrWatson]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

...and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

I don't know. It could be any number of individuals in the role of the shill.

 

If you are thinking of the same people that I'm thinking of here, I tend to doubt that CL would shill them up to this level. I have been proven wrong before however. But if not a shill that leaves the question of who exactly is willing to pay $2500 for a 9.0 Avengers 16

Someone that has seen and knows its potential or someone that wants one really, really bad.

[LordRahl]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

...and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

I don't know. It could be any number of individuals in the role of the shill.

 

If you are thinking of the same people that I'm thinking of here, I tend to doubt that CL would shill them up to this level. I have been proven wrong before however. But if not a shill that leaves the question of who exactly is willing to pay $2500 for a 9.0 Avengers 16

Someone that has seen and knows its potential or someone that wants one really, really bad.

 

Oh I think the guy that has seen it and knows its potential is the one that won it at $2600. What I'm curious about is who the underbidder is at $2500? Mad money to be throwing at a 9.0... or a shill?

[DrWatson]

I have an opinion, but I have speculated enough for one day.

[cheetah]

Pedigree gets new GPA highs for Avengers books all the time. Doug sold a Avengers #57 for $6k recently. Since he doesn't bid his books out, it is a realistic reflection of what people are willing to pay for UHG Avengers. Most of his best stuff is sold before it is ever even listed.

 

I don't think CLink needs to shill up books because there are multiple people in the Avengers market that are willing to spend unseemly amounts on the books they want.

[Flaming_Telepath]

Last time I checked Comic Connect didn't have a if you press it you sell it with us policy.

 

 

Or an official, invitation-only 'Pre-Auction Preview Night' for The Usual Suspects. (thumbs u

[VintageComics]

I have an opinion, but I have speculated enough for one day.

 

Try a red bull...works for me...

 

[Foolkiller]

That's true. So you think Josh is letting certain people that are potentialilzing books have a look at the books in person to determine pressability potential with book in hand...

Yes.

 

...and then he's shilling up the price on him/them? Sneaky if true. Is there any reason to believe it to be?

I don't know. It could be any number of individuals in the role of the shill.

 

If you are thinking of the same people that I'm thinking of here, I tend to doubt that CL would shill them up to this level. I have been proven wrong before however. But if not a shill that leaves the question of who exactly is willing to pay $2500 for a 9.0 Avengers 16

Someone that has seen and knows its potential or someone that wants one really, really bad.

 

Oh I think the guy that has seen it and knows its potential is the one that won it at $2600. What I'm curious about is who the underbidder is at $2500? Mad money to be throwing at a 9.0... or a shill?

 

No. A second person who also knows the potential of the book. Perhaps a third or even a fourth.

[VintageComics]

Pedigree gets new GPA highs for Avengers books all the time. Doug sold a Avengers #57 for $6k recently. Since he doesn't bid his books out, it is a realistic reflection of what people are willing to pay for UHG Avengers. Most of his best stuff is sold before it is ever even listed.

 

I don't think CLink needs to shill up books because there are multiple people in the Avengers market that are willing to spend unseemly amounts on the books they want.

 

Only $6000? It must only be a 9.7 in a 9.6 holder.