Rare in High Grade

[AtlasFan]

 

Are you guys using only slabbed books as a guage as to what's rare? I dont think thats very accurate as there are most likely more raw HG books out there than slabbed. 97% of my HG books are not encapsulated -- and those that were bought CGC, were lovingly de-slabbed.

Bill

 

 

Without a doubt, the vast, vast majority of books "out there" remain unslabbed. CGC has, after all, only slabbed about 1,200,000 books. That's less than the print run for Spawn #1. There are literally hundreds of millions of comics "in the wild" that have yet to be slabbed, if ever, including a very large chunk of Gold, Silver, and Bronze.

 

However....since no reliable survey exists that details the copies extant en toto, it falls to the next best thing, which is the census. As mentioned before, the census can give you an idea of what is out there, and in what grades. Just like in coins and baseball cards, the census provides a general idea of what there is, even though it does not account for every existing example in every grade it exists.

 

After all...there are coins that are so rare, the leading minds think they've got all existing examples tallied and accounted for...then one shows up literally in the DIRT, and changes everything!

 

http://www.coinlink.com/News/featured/look-what-i-dug-up-18174-half-dollar/

 

As long as everyone remembers that the census is a guide, not the final word, things will be good.

 

Well, as a person who makes his living by doing analytics and business intelligence dashboards, using only CGC books to gauge the rarity of a particular book leads to over-generalized (i.e. erroneous) conclusions...and don't get me started on GPA.

 

I realize that there is no standardized census for all comics (not just slabs or raw). I believe, that the only way to judge a book as being truly "rare" would be to get a consensus by those in the collector universe who spend years hunting down their grail books...and a sampling of those collectors would be US!

 

[tth2]

DC has alot of books that are just not found in HG at all.

Yeah, if we`re including DC in this conversation then it`d be easier to have a "which DCs are easy to find in HG" conversation, because most are extremely tough.

 

How about DC superhero keys? Relatively narrow focus. What do you DC guys think is the toughest? I know Lois Lane 1 doesn't have any graded copies above 7.5. What else?

Lots. Just off the top of my head, among keys that have no issues over 9.0, there are Action 252, Mystery in Space 53, and Showcase 17 and 22. If you make it none over 9.2, the list increases quite a bit, with issues like Adventure 260 and 300, Detective 225, etc.

[tth2]

I would suggest we leave ASM out of this conversation, since there isn't a single issue in the run that is considered even remotely difficult to find in high grade.

[tth2]

I would suggest we leave ASM out of this conversation, since there isn't a single issue in the run that is considered even remotely difficult to find in high grade.

Holy you sobered up for 10 minutes

 

I've never claimed that any ASMs were tough to find.

I was just busting ballz

 

I know, I'm just clarifying for the lurkers.

 

Unlike you and Tim, I don't love books just because they're rare.

I love lots of books that aren't rare. I just don't collect them!

[tth2]

DC has alot of books that are just not found in HG at all.

Yeah, if we`re including DC in this conversation then it`d be easier to have a "which DCs are easy to find in HG" conversation, because most are extremely tough.

 

That's because they were all tossed in the garbage back in the 60's or used to line bird cages.

Thank god for that!

[jbud73]

I would suggest we leave ASM out of this conversation, since there isn't a single issue in the run that is considered even remotely difficult to find in high grade.

 

You love to grind that axe dontcha Tim - but that's ok, your viewpoint on the collectible ease of ASM was the inspiration for one of my new sig lines (thumbs u

[FlyingDonut]

Action 242. You get a 9.0 or higher on that book, you will be able to name your own price. I would be very surprised if there IS a HG copy floating around. Dark cover, low print run, summer release, :blahblah:

[jimjum12]

DC War and Marvel Westerns from 1957-1962.

 

They do not exist in grades above 7-8.

 

(Yes, that's a generalization, kids, there are a few exceptions that make the rule.)

 

I seriously doubt there's a single key from that era and those genres that exists above 9.0. I will be dancing for joy if there is.

 

They make FF #1 and the other Marvel Superhero keys look as common as early 90's books.....

 

Unfortunately, there was no Edgar Church around keeping perfect copies from this era.

 

(And the "white cover" and "black cover" thing is a myth. )

 

You should see forum member Adamstrange's DC war books from that era. They are sick.

 

....and unslabbed, as are many high grade collections of 50's / early 60's books that have never been reprinted. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

[peewee22]

Showcase 22.

 

Highest graded copy is a 9.0. Not many in the 7 - 8 range either.

 

Mark (Dizneyart) recently sold a 6.0 with OW/W pages which is probably the nicest one to surface in years. I high bid $3k on it and got laughed at !!

 

(And try finding a 22 with nice pages...)

[tth2]

I would suggest we leave ASM out of this conversation, since there isn't a single issue in the run that is considered even remotely difficult to find in high grade.

 

You love to grind that axe dontcha Tim - but that's ok, your viewpoint on the collectible ease of ASM was the inspiration for one of my new sig lines (thumbs u

Unfortunately I have sig lines turned off so I can't see what yours says!

[MR.COMICBOOK]

Four books published between 1956 and 1969 have been submitted at least 10 times,

without receiving any grades above 7.0.

 

Little Archie 1 - 0 out of 19 total submissions are CGC 7.5 or higher

Amazing Fantasy 15 United Kingdom- 0 out of 14 total submissions are CGC 7.5 or higher

Tales of the Unexpected 1 - 0 out of 13 total submissions are CGC 7.5 or higher

Star Spangled War Stories 84 - 0 out of 10 total submissions are CGC 7.5 or higher

 

There are 95 books published between 1956 and 1969 that have been submitted at least 10 times

without any copies graded 9.0 or higher.

Would you mine listing those 95 books when you have the time? I am sure I am not the only board member interested in the results. thanks.

 

There are 95 books published between 1956 and 1969 that have been submitted at least 10 times

without any copies graded 9.0 or higher

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane 1 (77 submissions)

Action Comics 242 (58 submissions)

Our Army at War 81 (44 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 1 (41 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 1 (39 submissions)

G.I. Combat 87 (38 submissions)

Showcase 33 (36 submissions)

Amazing Adventures 2 (29 submissions)

Adventure Comics 256 (28 submissions)

Amazing Adventures 6 (24 submissions)

Tales of the Unexpected 43 (24 submissions)

Amazing Adult Fantasy 14 (22 submissions)

World's Finest Comics 100 (22 submissions)

Superman 127 (21 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 15 (21 submissions)

World's Finest Comics 94 (21 submissions)

Amazing Adult Fantasy 9 (20 submissions)

Batman 97 (19 submissions)

Little Archie 1 (19 submissions)

Showcase 26 (19 submissions)

New Adventures of Charlie Chan 1 (18 submissions)

Superman 106 (18 submissions)

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane 3 (18 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 8 (18 submissions)

Adventures of the Fly 1 (17 submissions)

Amazing Adventures 3 (16 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 23 (16 submissions)

Famous Monsters of Filmland 16 (16 submissions)

Famous Monsters of Filmland 18 (16 submissions)

Journey Into Mystery 66 (16 submissions)

Showcase 2 (16 submissions)

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane 2 (16 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 18 (16 submissions)

Amazing Spider-Man 1 United Kingdom (15 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 37 (15 submissions)

Jughead's Folly 1 (15 submissions)

Mystery in Space 55 (15 submissions)

Our Army at War 91 (15 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 18 (15 submissions)

Amazing Fantasy 15 United Kingdom (14 submissions)

Batman 105 (14 submissions)

Challengers of the Unknown 2 (14 submissions)

Famous Monsters of Filmland 23 (14 submissions)

Strange Tales 92 (14 submissions)

Superman 113 (14 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 39 United Kingdom (14 submissions)

Batman 107 (13 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 22 (13 submissions)

Strange Tales 93 (13 submissions)

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane 5 (13 submissions)

Tales of the Unexpected 1 (13 submissions)

Action Comics 225 (12 submissions)

Batman 109 (12 submissions)

Batman 131 (12 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 18 (12 submissions)

Detective Comics 239 (12 submissions)

Space Adventures 33 (12 submissions)

Strange Tales 82 (12 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 2 (12 submissions)

Action Comics 214 (11 submissions)

Action Comics 228 (11 submissions)

Batman 111 (11 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 38 (11 submissions)

Superman 102 (11 submissions)

Superman 107 (11 submissions)

Superman 112 (11 submissions)

Superman 115 (11 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 21 (11 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 6 (11 submissions)

Wonder Woman 98 (11 submissions)

World's Finest Comics 103 (11 submissions)

Action Comics 244 (10 submissions)

Action Comics 250 (10 submissions)

Action Comics 253 (10 submissions)

Adventure Comics 277 (10 submissions)

Batman 118 (10 submissions)

Brave and the Bold 5 (10 submissions)

Challengers of the Unknown 21 (10 submissions)

Detective Comics 231 (10 submissions)

Detective Comics 236 (10 submissions)

Detective Comics 243 (10 submissions)

G.I. Combat 78 (10 submissions)

Magnus, Robot Fighter 3 (10 submissions)

Mystery in Space 69 (10 submissions)

Our Army at War 112 (10 submissions)

Our Army at War 90 (10 submissions)

Star Spangled War Stories 84 (10 submissions)

Star Spangled War Stories 90 (10 submissions)

Strange Tales 100 (10 submissions)

Strange Tales 96 (10 submissions)

Superman 119 (10 submissions)

Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane 10 (10 submissions)

Tales of Suspense 5 (10 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 23 (10 submissions)

Tales to Astonish 5 (10 submissions)

Sincere Thanks (thumbs u Something for me to investigate over the summer.

Imagine trying to put a collection of these together.

[valiantman]

Sincere Thanks (thumbs u Something for me to investigate over the summer.

Imagine trying to put a collection of these together.

 

Possibly more challenging...

 

30 books submitted at least 5 times without a universal grade of 6.0 or higher

(Only the U.K. editions are Silver Age... the rest are Golden Age)

Captain Marvel Adventures nn (#1) (22 submissions)

Action Comics 14 (17 submissions)

Amazing Fantasy 15 United Kingdom (14 submissions)

Lone Ranger Comics 1 (13 submissions)

Science Comics 2 (10 submissions)

Incredible Hulk 1 United Kingdom (9 submissions)

Adventure Comics 37 (8 submissions)

Superman 83 (8 submissions)

Adventure Comics 46 (7 submissions)

Classic Comics 33 (7 submissions)

Giant Comics Editions 15 (7 submissions)

Popular Comics 1 (7 submissions)

Amazing-Man Comics 7 (6 submissions)

Archie Comics 5 (6 submissions)

Planet Comics 15 (6 submissions)

Speed Comics 2 (6 submissions)

Sugar and Spike 1 (6 submissions)

Action Comics 173 (5 submissions)

Amazing Spider-Man 6 United Kingdom (5 submissions)

Big Shot Comics 28 (5 submissions)

Fawcett Movie Comic 15 (5 submissions)

Green Lantern 31 (5 submissions)

Hit Comics 3 (5 submissions)

Hit Comics 4 (5 submissions)

Journey Into Mystery 11 (5 submissions)

More Fun Comics 17 (5 submissions)

More Fun Comics 32 (5 submissions)

Mutt and Jeff nn (#1) (5 submissions)

New Comics 3 (5 submissions)

Startling Comics 10 (5 submissions)