tth2 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Uh oh, if Rick is in the house then the rest of us might as well forget about chasing it. Why do you say that? I have yet to see Rick WIN a high profile book at auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. Edited September 6, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. Man, the 5.5 got almost $4k....I can't even guess what the Mound copy will bring now. Tim (tth2), any thoughts on what you think that 8.0 Mound may bring at auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u Edited September 6, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. Man, the 5.5 got almost $4k....I can't even guess what the Mound copy will bring now. Tim (tth2), any thoughts on what you think that 8.0 Mound may bring at auction? I couldn`t even guess. The market is way too fluid for this book right now, plus I really don`t follow prices of non-NM books. I guess it wouldn`t surprise me if this book broke the $10K mark, but that`s about all i can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikran Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Man even that CTed 5.0 on eBay is looking like a bargain now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. I could buy the argument that B&B 28 is just a later version of All Star #3 (which obviously it is), but not that it`s an earlier version of Avengers #1. This completely dismisses its historical and influential role in the Silver Age and its direct impact on creating the Marvel era, which is something no other DC book can claim. It`s like saying that Batman is basically an earlier version of Moon Knight. If you`re going to go down that path, then you`re vulnerable to the stupid argument that the Marvel Zombies always use: what`s so special about Showcase #22, since it`s just the reintroduction of a character who first appeared in All American #16? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Captain Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. I could buy the argument that B&B 28 is just a later version of All Star #3 (which obviously it is), but not that it`s an earlier version of Avengers #1. This completely dismisses its historical and influential role in the Silver Age and its direct impact on creating the Marvel era, which is something no other DC book can claim. It`s like saying that Batman is basically an earlier version of Moon Knight. If you`re going to go down that path, then you`re vulnerable to the stupid argument that the Marvel Zombies always use: what`s so special about Showcase #22, since it`s just the reintroduction of a character who first appeared in All American #16? Thank you! Someone is finally standing up for DC (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foolkiller Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. I could buy the argument that B&B 28 is just a later version of All Star #3 (which obviously it is), but not that it`s an earlier version of Avengers #1. This completely dismisses its historical and influential role in the Silver Age and its direct impact on creating the Marvel era, which is something no other DC book can claim. It`s like saying that Batman is basically an earlier version of Moon Knight. If you`re going to go down that path, then you`re vulnerable to the stupid argument that the Marvel Zombies always use: what`s so special about Showcase #22, since it`s just the reintroduction of a character who first appeared in All American #16? Totally agree Tim, I think you could argue that without BB 28, there's no modern Marvel comics. Showcase 22 is an extremely important book... and while agree speculation is driving the prices, I think it's also that Green Lantern in general is hot and people actually want the book to some degree because it is a great book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KryptoSpidey Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Man even that CTed 5.0 on eBay is looking like a bargain now i know that there will be 4 cgc'd copies hitting the market very soon in the 2.0-3.5 range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash105 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Yes, not only is it the movie. It is Blackest Night, Sinestro, Rebirth, and Johns. He has breathed new life in a character who I think for me is a lot like Iron Man. Ultra Cool dude that has has some decent runs (Adams) but for the most part has way underperformed in the long term stort wise. Now, he finally has a creative team that has unlocked the potential of the character and the key back issues are starting to respond. What has been interesting to me it has been mostly localized to SC 22, GL 8, and GL 76. Does the speculation start to spread to other keys or is this is where it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foolkiller Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 The real problem is, GL historically doesn't have a lot of keys. I think GL 1 will get some increased heat as people will start to turn their attention to that following the Showcase 22 run up. Other than that, maybe GL 16 -- and then I think you have to look at GL covers that have Sinestro on them. For instance, GL 9 is great book, first Sinestro cover. GL 8 is the only grey tone cover. But... books like GL 40 to me are duds. Great cover, but really not much of a "key". On the other hand, I really miss that Adams never did Sinestro in his run, but of course, at the time, GL really wasn't about star spanning action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash105 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 So do you think 23,24 will join the party or be left out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showcase22gr1959 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) So do you think 23,24 will join the party or be left out? SC22 will lift all boats, but hyper and speculated price increases will be concentrated in SC22. I think 23 is a much more popular book than 24 since it has the second app., atom bomb cover, and of course pink cover (pink cover lovers). Edited September 6, 2009 by showcase22gr1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) No...now that's the bar for a 5.5 that all other valuations will be based on...unfortunate for those of us still looking for a copy or two...though I'm sure this final price will seem cheap 6 months from now... Maybe this high price may bring a few more 5.0's or 6.0's out. I think $15000-20000 for the 8.0 Mound City copy looks reasonable now. Define "reasonable"! This book is currently driven by supply and demand. Collectors now recognizes that SC 22 page quality is normally crm/ow. This particular 5.5 has off-white pages, and as detective27kid said " On sc22 pq is a big deal if you are looking for a separating quality over other copies". This copy deserves a premium...but $3803.64??? Regarding the Mound City 8.0, this is the only publicly high grade copy available for sale and the rest is tucked away in collections. Below are examples of other notable Silver Age keys sales which I have mentioned before. Let's use BB 28 and Avengers 1 as a comparison. The 3rd highest graded BB 28 (which there is five) sold in Comiclink for $21000. Also, let's use Avengers 1 as a comparison. A 8.0 (5th highest and 23 copies) sold in CL for $26000 and a 9.0 (4th highest and ten copies) for $20000 again in CL. Showcase 22 is in high demand and there are less high grade copies available compare to their counterparts. I wouldn't argue that the price is unreasonable given the market. I'm just saying that the market is not being driven by reason, or at least by anything reasonable related to appreciation of comics. Call it irrational exhuberance! I would say that prices are being driven by demand, not supply. The supply a year or two ago was the same as it is today (actually less, because copies are coming out of the woodwork now). So why is the price suddenly going up? Because demand has gone crazy. And why has demand gone crazy? Because of pure speculation. People want to get a copy to invest in hoped for profits down the road (or maybe next week). I do agree...it's irrational exuberance! This SC 22 5.5 sold for double what a BB28 in 5.5 and one and a half time a Avengers 1 in 5.5. At this rate it is the second most valued DC Silver Age comic and this is not based on OSPG prices. Also, the data that Peewee22, the help with others, and I collected confirms the supply and the scarcity of higher grade copies. (thumbs u SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. I could buy the argument that B&B 28 is just a later version of All Star #3 (which obviously it is), but not that it`s an earlier version of Avengers #1. This completely dismisses its historical and influential role in the Silver Age and its direct impact on creating the Marvel era, which is something no other DC book can claim. It`s like saying that Batman is basically an earlier version of Moon Knight. If you`re going to go down that path, then you`re vulnerable to the stupid argument that the Marvel Zombies always use: what`s so special about Showcase #22, since it`s just the reintroduction of a character who first appeared in All American #16? (Watch it....Tim has a gorgeous BB28 !!) Tim, I think he's trying to say that the group effort of BB28 is a well known classic but the SA individual book origins are more important to many collectors...not all but many. But I would not compare BB28 to AV1...no comparison! I love GL but I give BB28 the thumbs up on the BEST cover ever...IMO. Both books are top notch classics ! (thumbs u Edited September 6, 2009 by peewee22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foolkiller Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 So do you think 23,24 will join the party or be left out? Let's go back to pre Showcase 22 is the hottest book on the planet days. Showcase 23 in grades 7.5 or better was always one of the most desirable books to own for GL collectors because it was simply tough to obtain. Showcase 24, on the other hand not as tough. I doubt Showcase 23 will truly have the same run up but may experience some increased attention -- just based on the run up as a whole. I think that what we'll see is GL 1 getting some increased attention and then all early Sinestro covers following suit. Remember GL as a title really doesn't have that much in terms of great keys or even great covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 (edited) SC #22 should is the second most important DC SA key behind #4 in my opinion. B&B #28 is nice, but it is basically an earlier version of Avengers #1. I could buy the argument that B&B 28 is just a later version of All Star #3 (which obviously it is), but not that it`s an earlier version of Avengers #1. This completely dismisses its historical and influential role in the Silver Age and its direct impact on creating the Marvel era, which is something no other DC book can claim. It`s like saying that Batman is basically an earlier version of Moon Knight. If you`re going to go down that path, then you`re vulnerable to the stupid argument that the Marvel Zombies always use: what`s so special about Showcase #22, since it`s just the reintroduction of a character who first appeared in All American #16? What I meant by that comment is that B&B #28 suffers price wise for the same reason Avengers #1 does - it does not have the first appearace of any heroes. I am not knocking its historical signficance at all since even Marvel zombies have to admit that without B&B #28 there would be no FF and the Marvel SA in general. If you want to compare it All Star #3, then you see the same issue again as All Star #3 is not on the same price plateau as the first appearances of a lot of the GA heroes. FWIW, I am looking for a mid grade B&B #28 right now since I think it is undervalued a bit. Sure, Hal GL is definitely a reintro and improvement on the playboy GL of the GA. However, the zombies can't really win with that argument since the science or sci-fi ties that DC used to update/remake the characters several years before FF #1 obviously influenced Stan Lee's approach to how the Marvel characters "received" their powers as well. You could argue that all Stan did was rehash DCU concepts to create his characters. Edited September 6, 2009 by kimik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted September 6, 2009 Author Share Posted September 6, 2009 The real problem is, GL historically doesn't have a lot of keys. I think GL 1 will get some increased heat as people will start to turn their attention to that following the Showcase 22 run up. Other than that, maybe GL 16 -- and then I think you have to look at GL covers that have Sinestro on them. For instance, GL 9 is great book, first Sinestro cover. GL 8 is the only grey tone cover. But... books like GL 40 to me are duds. Great cover, but really not much of a "key". On the other hand, I really miss that Adams never did Sinestro in his run, but of course, at the time, GL really wasn't about star spanning action. What about GL #7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
