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$150,000 to spend on comics. WOW! I'm jealous. And that definitely shows you've got a incredibly large sample space to better judge the market as a whole.

 

Don't be. There are a lot better things I could have....and should have...done with that money, including paying for law school. I am not kidding when I say it's an addiction. The only benefit is that this addiction can make me money.

 

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$150,000 to spend on comics. WOW! I'm jealous. And that definitely shows you've got a incredibly large sample space to better judge the market as a whole.

 

Don't be. There are a lot better things I could have....and should have...done with that money, including paying for law school. I am not kidding when I say it's an addiction. The only benefit is that this addiction can make me money.

 

I can't make money with comics at all. Anything worth selling I want to hold on too. lol!

 

 

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My opinion, collecting is as strong as ever. The people who think it is dying have not adjusted to the current market. Used to be you had to adjust to the market about every 6 months to a year, now you have to do it every 6 weeks. The ones that don't adjust, don't sell.

 

Combine that with the uncertainty in the economy, and people are more cautious with their money.

 

Not to mention the fact that Heritage has unleashed a ton of ultra high grade bronze age on the market which has really softened that area up. (Thanks Steve).

 

I think then the economy turns around, the softer prices you have seen in the last year(well maybe not for some stuff), will be gone like a puff of smoke.

 

Of course, this may take a few years and probably not until after the next presidential election as our current administration seems to want to tax/spend us into oblivion.

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A big part of any collectible is the nostalgic feelings attached to it. I spend half my collecting budget chasing down sports cards and comics that I had when I was a kid. There are very few young collectors who will go on a comic buying spree when they turn 25 and get jobs and the income to buy stuff. They will all be buying whatever is hot for them now for example WII games etc.

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I agree of amadeus to a certain extent as well...the only difference being that an amazing amount of utter drek could be sold on ebay in like 1998 - 2000/2001, not for big prices, but it simply amazed me what I could toss up that i paid 10 or 25 cents for an somehow someone bought it for a buck or two or three or whatever. listing fees were lower then, prices could be low, but sell through of junk seemed high. and you'd sell something good, like the prettiest frigging NM Hulk 200 and get a whopping $5 for it. it made no sense. but put up any clive barker comic, a "Rock 'n roll" comic, all sorts of junk, and it sold (true, I didn't bother trying to sell early 90's drek, but a friend of mine did and sold a lot of stuff for 99 cents each and then profiteered on shipping). criminey, i got $5 for that alice cooper comic marvel put out!

 

but then again, i picked up a VF+ FF 49 for $20....a VF+ ASM 300 for $15, etc. so yeah, i don't get it sometimes. there was no golden era of good prices realized on ebay (except for some CGC stuff), just an era when sell-through was a lot higher.

 

i think a lot of those buyers who bought a lot of krapola due to the (then) novelty of ebay stopped doing so. you know, they filled in their firestorm runs or whatever they were looking for.

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As for price gains on moderns....

 

If a particular issue has a spike in interest, as we see all the time, the low print runs help make it a $10-20 book or whatever. The market is pretty logical now, the internet takes care of market inefficiencies pretty quickly.

 

It's really hard for an early 90s mega-printed book to do that. Seriously, we can speculate all we want out of the 50 cent box on X-Force 2 (and I admit, I do it too), but really, how can that book really pop when there are about 3 billion copies of it out there? True, there are a lot of NM 98s too....

 

I do collect (in particular) from that 1998 - 2000/2001 dead period (as in dollar or less box dive) when I see those issues from various titles, at least the marvels and late print run valiants (I don't know much about the DCs). I do wonder if, in general, those will ever be $2-$4 books though (putting aside last issues, semi-keys, etc.), other than Maybe the Spideys and, perhaps, Uncanny X-Men. They're probably harder to find than a lot of late BA in similar condition, but the perception is different because they're newer, and while many people would pay the $2-$4 for a lot of late (1970's) BA in 9.2/9.4 condition, they aren't ready to do it for a generic issue of Daredevil or whatever unless they have a specific need.

 

 

 

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Low print run of Independents seem have merit compared to what there original cover price was. I'm thinking original Crow book, Turtles #1, Bone #1, newer books like Walking Dead #1. If one would of boughten 10-100 copies of those books and put them away, the return would of been extra ordinary, someone capable of predicting the future on Independents, is well extra ordinary.

 

I bought Watchmens very heavy two years before the movie, that panned out for me. The books were considered a dead 80's title when in broken sets. There is probably lots of dead 80's and 90's titles out there the may have a resurrection sometime in the next 10 years. I think the Marvel Star books have potential due to low print runs and difficulty in high grades.

yeah but do they have to be CGC`ed to turn a decent profit? that is the question.

I was flipping 1-12 sets of Watchmen in the 150.00-250.00 range during the hype of the second half of 2008.

 

Of coarse this title has cooled almost to the level it was 5 years ago.

 

Here lies the twist. You have to smart to know when to get in and when to get out. I have been on both sides of that coin. Its a tightrope sometimes especially if you do it in bulk.

 

 

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I love this thread. Its nice to see other sellers/buyers talking about this from time to time.

 

From around 96 to 2003 there are TON of books that sell for good money you can get for $1 or less. Last issues, keys, variants, promotional books, price variants and this list goes on and on. I could write several pages on this just based on my last 10 years on ebay. 98-01 is the key area, but dont restrict yourself that area.

 

Currently the market is great for books that are harder to find for a number reasons. In fact I should be packing orders instead of writing this. Grade, Print Run, Popularity are all the key factors. While independents with low print runs are great there are several modern main title books that sell very well for little investment.

 

Personally I dont collect or sell to slab unless I run across a very nice copy of a book that is hard to find say something like a NM 35 cent variant or a Walking Dead 1 in NM. Other then that it just isnt worth the time or patience for me to deal with it. Saying that there is still a very good market for it. TopNotchComics and JJ are just a few examples who do very well with it. But, you better know what you are doing and you better do your research or you will end up with a bunch of books that are pretty in plastic, but are all but worthless.

 

 

What really helps is to network with other buyers/sellers in my opinion. I have a network of buyer/sellers I communicate with regularly. Find this for me, or do you have this or pick me up a copy of this. Favors and want/trade lists go along way. The international market is also shunned way more then it should be.

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Granted....prices for slabs are, across the board (except for high grade pre-1975 books) are down. You are absolutely correct. Prices for slabbed books peaked in 2006-2008, and have been sliding since.

 

But slabs are...how much of the market?

 

There's ONE national dealer that I know who deals solely in slabbed books.

Dale doesn't. Harley doesn't. Bob Storms doesn't. Metropolis doesn't. Mile High doesn't. Hardly anyone deals solely in slabbed books. The vast majority of dealers deal in raw books.

 

Well...here, this is relatively unscientific, but consider. Right now, as I type this, there are 141,858 items listed in "comics" on eBay.

 

7,750 have "CGC" in the title (minus PGX)

 

So, after 10+ years of CGC graded books, at this snapshot in time, all the slabbed books on eBay represent only 5% of the listed items in "comics."

 

hm

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IMO, the books to purchase are the main run Marvel Super-Hero books from 96 & 97. Print runs were at all time lows and the books are pretty solid quality for the most part. These books are tough now and will be in demand at some point.

 

Agreed, but I think the "sweet-spot" is a little later...

 

Late 1998 through to end 2000 was the absolute low-point for ASM sales-wise.

Issues #15 through to #21 (V2) have a max Diamond pre-order of 52.000 issues

Up to #29 the numbers drop even more, with #28 having a mere 48.500 issues preordered....

The series was in deep-deep trouble back then and not a lot of people were buying it....

And there's always a buyer for ASM #430 - #441...lots of Spidey completionists out there that dropped out after the clone saga and only returned with the buzz around the JMS run or the 911 issue...

 

And this is Amazing Spider-man, one of the most collected titles out there.

 

Yep, it's a little later. Here's some ASM stats. Average sales for 2000 look to be about 50k. And that was after (because of?) the reboot at #1!

 

417: (September 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 87,900

418: (November 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 112,100

419: (December 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 33 Qty: 87,800

421: (January 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 81,000

422: (February 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 79,500

423: (March 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 79,800

424: (April 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 34 Qty: 79,100

425: (June 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 79,800

426: (July 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 71,800

427: (August 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 25 Qty: 72,400

428: (September 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 69,900

429: (October 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 25 Qty: 69,200

430: (November 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 69,300

431: (December 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 66,200

432: (January 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 68,200

433: (February 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 63,600

434: (March 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 70,500

435: (April 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 70,000

436: (May 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 66,000

437: (June 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 19 Qty: 66,600

438: (July 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 63,700

439: (July 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 19 Qty: 63,500

440: (August 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 64,500

441: (September 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 69,100

 

1: (November 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 4 Qty: 124,900

2: (December 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 102,500

3: (January 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 83,900

4: (February 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 78,800

5: (March 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 76,800

6: (April 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 74,500

7: (May 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 15 Qty: 71,600

8: (June 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 70,000

9: (July 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 67,300

10: (August 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 64,100

11: (September 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 61,100

12: (October 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 62,000

13: (November 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 58,900

14: (December 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 61,900

15: (January 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 56,400

16: (February 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 15 Qty: 53,200

17: (March 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 54,100

18: (April 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 53,200

19: (May 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 53,000

20: (June 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 53,500

21: (July 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 51,900

22: (August 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 49,900

23: (September 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 49,300

24: (October 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 50,200

25: (November 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man Foil Cvr (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 45,400

25: (November 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man Standard Cvr (Marvel) Rank: 142 Qty: 14,900

26: (December 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 49,500

27: (January 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 17 Qty: 49,200

28: (February 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 48,600

29: (March 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 48,800

30: (April 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 5 Qty: 77,300

31: (May 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 8 Qty: 73,700

32: (June 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 8 Qty: 82,300

33: (July 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 89,800

34: (August 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 6 Qty: 90,500

35: (September 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 6 Qty: 90,000

36: (October 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 92,800

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The drek used to sell very well on Ebay in the pre Ebay store era, 1999-2001. The odd ball Movie TV comic books, Rock N Roll memoriabilia comic books, Horror movie comic books, Anne Rice comics. You could start them at $5.00 per book and higher and they would all sell. The smart comic dealers were posting there Spawn #1's buy the dozens each week with very meager results. While the sly dealer would post these cult books and the perceived scarcity due to its the only book on Ebay would get the bidding going. Guys like Mile High would have these books on there web site in the 50 cents to $1.00 range. Someone, like myself, would just buy from Mile high and post on Ebay and collect the difference. I remember buying 110 copies of Marvel Super Special Labyrinth from Mile high for for 60 cents per book, free shipping to boot. I flipped these at a minimum of $25.00 per book on Ebay, it sold 2-3 times per week at that price. I milked that cash cow for over 6 months. My final 5 copies I raised the price to $50.00 per book, it took several weeks to get a bidder but they all sold out. Those were the days :cloud9:

 

I remember buying not hundreds, but several thousand copies of the early Valiant Nintendo comics off Mile High, Super Mario, Gameboy and others in the 50-60 cent per book range, of coarse free shipping again. Chuck somehow had publisher remainder stock with several hundred copies deep per book and many of the comics. They sold instantly on Ebay to the Nintendo collectors.

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So the question is do you think current low print runs are going to effect the future value of modern popular titles?

 

First let me clarify “Modern”. I’m talking last 8 years or so after the 90’s bubble popped. Print runs of books seem to have stabilized even as industry sales seem to be gaining some momentum, recession excluded. Even so, according to sales figures, the top selling books month to month rarely have Diamond distributed runs over 200,000 since the bust. We’ll ignore ASM 583 @ 530K as a speculator hiccup. The next highest ordered book of ‘09 was Blackest Night 1 @ 205K. Everything else was below the 200K line. Then we have sleeper hits like Chew and Walking Dead with far lower print runs.

 

I guess a corresponding question would be how many collectors are out there? If there are only ever 150-200K collectors of “key” books then even these print runs are sufficient to keep future prices low assuming not every collector wants every key.

 

I’ve been in this business a long time on both sides of the counter and I’ve never cared to speculate with my wallet just my brain. I have stuck to collecting what I enjoy reading and plan to keep doing so. But right now I see speculator prices on books like those mentioned previously and I really have no idea where comics are headed.

 

 

 

I used to think, yes this would be a great area But now it is just a terrifically risky area. There is just not the audience for it anymore. So a low print book may have had a 50,000 print run, but if only 49,000 care it's a dollar book. Things are changing, collectibles right along with them.

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IMO, the books to purchase are the main run Marvel Super-Hero books from 96 & 97. Print runs were at all time lows and the books are pretty solid quality for the most part. These books are tough now and will be in demand at some point.

 

Agreed, but I think the "sweet-spot" is a little later...

 

Late 1998 through to end 2000 was the absolute low-point for ASM sales-wise.

Issues #15 through to #21 (V2) have a max Diamond pre-order of 52.000 issues

Up to #29 the numbers drop even more, with #28 having a mere 48.500 issues preordered....

The series was in deep-deep trouble back then and not a lot of people were buying it....

And there's always a buyer for ASM #430 - #441...lots of Spidey completionists out there that dropped out after the clone saga and only returned with the buzz around the JMS run or the 911 issue...

 

And this is Amazing Spider-man, one of the most collected titles out there.

 

Yep, it's a little later. Here's some ASM stats. Average sales for 2000 look to be about 50k. And that was after (because of?) the reboot at #1!

 

417: (September 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 87,900

418: (November 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 112,100

419: (December 1996).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 33 Qty: 87,800

421: (January 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 81,000

422: (February 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 79,500

423: (March 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 79,800

424: (April 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 34 Qty: 79,100

425: (June 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 79,800

426: (July 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 71,800

427: (August 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 25 Qty: 72,400

428: (September 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 69,900

429: (October 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 25 Qty: 69,200

430: (November 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 69,300

431: (December 1997).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 26 Qty: 66,200

432: (January 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 68,200

433: (February 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 63,600

434: (March 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 70,500

435: (April 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 70,000

436: (May 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 20 Qty: 66,000

437: (June 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 19 Qty: 66,600

438: (July 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 63,700

439: (July 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 19 Qty: 63,500

440: (August 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 64,500

441: (September 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 21 Qty: 69,100

 

1: (November 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 4 Qty: 124,900

2: (December 1998).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 102,500

3: (January 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 83,900

4: (February 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 78,800

5: (March 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 76,800

6: (April 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 74,500

7: (May 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 15 Qty: 71,600

8: (June 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 70,000

9: (July 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 67,300

10: (August 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 64,100

11: (September 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 61,100

12: (October 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 62,000

13: (November 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 58,900

14: (December 1999).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 11 Qty: 61,900

15: (January 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 56,400

16: (February 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 15 Qty: 53,200

17: (March 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 54,100

18: (April 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 53,200

19: (May 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 53,000

20: (June 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 12 Qty: 53,500

21: (July 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 51,900

22: (August 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 13 Qty: 49,900

23: (September 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 18 Qty: 49,300

24: (October 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 14 Qty: 50,200

25: (November 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man Foil Cvr (Marvel) Rank: 24 Qty: 45,400

25: (November 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man Standard Cvr (Marvel) Rank: 142 Qty: 14,900

26: (December 2000).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 49,500

27: (January 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 17 Qty: 49,200

28: (February 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 48,600

29: (March 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 16 Qty: 48,800

30: (April 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 5 Qty: 77,300

31: (May 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 8 Qty: 73,700

32: (June 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 8 Qty: 82,300

33: (July 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 89,800

34: (August 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 6 Qty: 90,500

35: (September 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 6 Qty: 90,000

36: (October 2001).html: Title: Amazing Spider-Man (Marvel) Rank: 7 Qty: 92,800

Batman and Detective Comics in the early 1980`s had similar print runs like ASM and here we are almost 30 years later and those issues from that era still haven`t taken off moneywise. bad era = bad books = little or no interest.

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