Help Captain America Comics #34 Page Count Question?

[Trey Cannon]

I recently bought a raw copy of Captain America Comics #34 from a fellow board memember. Upon recieving the book I noticed the book had what seems to be a missing wrap it looks as if the pages on both sides of the wrap were sliced out of the book. So I counted the pages including the front and back cover are as follows

 

Front Cover

Inside Front Cover

Page 1 front Captain America "The Cult of the Assassins" Splash Page

Page 1 back page 2 of story

Page 2 front page 3 of story

Page 2 back page 4 of story

Page 3 front page 5 of story

Page 3 back page 6 of story

Page 4 front page 7 of story

Page 4 back page 8 of story

Page 5 front page 9 of story

Page 5 back page 10 of story

Page 6 front page 11 of story

Page 6 back page 12 of story

Page 7 front page 13 of story

Page 7 back page 14 of story

Page 8 front page 15 of story

Page 8 back End of Story 1 page 16

Page 9 front "The Stage of Death" Story Splash page

Page 9 back page 2 of story 2

Page 10 front page 3 of story 2

Page 10 back page 4 of story 2

Page 11 front page 5 of story 2

Page 11 back page 6 of story 2

Page 12 front page 7 of story 2

Page 12 back page 8 of story 2

Page 13 front page 9 of story 2

Page 13 back page 10 of story 2

Page 14 front page 11 of story 2

Page 14 back end of story 2 page 12

Page 15 front is Greedy Grab Story

Page 15 back is end of Greedy Grab story

Page 16 front is Captain America badges have gone to war ad

page 16 back is page one of centerfold "Invasion Mission"

Page 17 front is page 2 of the centerfold

Page 17 back is page 2 of the story 3

This is where the first wrap looks to be cut.

Page 18 front is page 3 of story 3

Page 18 back is page 4 of story 3

Page 19 front is page 5 of story 3

Page 19 back is page 6 of story 3

Page 20 front is page 7 of story 3

Page 20 back is page 8 of story 3

This is where the send cut mark is

Page 21 front is page 9 of story 3

Page 21 back is page 10 of story 3

Page 22 front is page 11 of story 3

Page 22 back is the end of story 3 Page 12

Page 23 front is Bucky Builds for Victory ad

Page 23 back is The Human Torch "The Mad Moles Folly" page 1

Page 24 front is page 2 of Human Torch story

Page 24 back is page 3 of Human Torch story

This is where another wrap seems to be cut

Page 25 front is page 4 of Human Torch story

Page 25 back is page 5 of Human Torch Story

Page 26 front is page 6 of Human Torch Story

Page 26 Back is the end of Human Torch Story page 7

Page 27 front is Lets Play Detective story

Page 27 back is the end of Lets Play Detective Story

This is where wrap seems to be cut agin

Page 28 front is Wake up Americans buy war stamps ad

Page 28 back is Advertisment page

Back cover inside Ad

Back cover outside Ad

 

My Question is is this book complete or have two wraps missing see picture below to see the cut marks I am refering too

[Trey Cannon]

BTW Book was Sold to me as Complete Unrestored.

 

Your help here will help with settling this question with the seller

 

Thanks

 

Trey

[G.A.tor]

if you have page 2 and then 3 of the story around the area in question, I suspect nothing was cut out

[G.A.tor]

during the war, there were many such cuts and weird wrap combos

[Trey Cannon]

during the war, there were many such cuts and weird wrap combos

 

Know of anyone who has a #34 who can check page for page?

[G.A.tor]

during the war, there were many such cuts and weird wrap combos

 

Know of anyone who has a #34 who can check page for page?

from your page by page description, it appears you have already confirmed there are no story page interuptions, correct?

 

I don't have my 34 any more to check

[Trey Cannon]

Correct is that the correct # of pages by my count?

 

[Trey Cannon]

Billy Parker has one maybe he could check

[G.A.tor]

I think they should have 30 total, including covers, so typically 28 interior pages and 2 covers

 

was there a letter colum or full ad page (front and back)

[rockman2008]

I'm the one who sold Trey the Cap #34. Before sending the book out I reviewed the comic book to make sure the book was complete. There should be 56 internal pages (minus the covers).

 

Regarding the buyer's page count, I question the following double counted pages:

 

Page 11 front page 5 of story 2

Page 12 back page 6 of story 2

Page 12 front page 7 of story 2

Page 12 back page 8 of story 2

 

and

 

Page 19 front is page 5 of story 3

Page 19 back is page 6 of story 3

Page 19 front is page 7 of story 3

Page 19 back is page 8 of story 3

 

Perhaps the buyer can clarify?

 

As Rick indicates the half-wrap cuts were common in wartime Timelys. I have other wartime Timelys with such cuts, and I don't believe they're evidence of missing pages.

[Trey Cannon]

 

I'm the one who sold Trey the Cap #34. Before sending the book out I reviewed the comic book to make sure the book was complete. There should be 56 internal pages (minus the covers).

 

Regarding the buyer's page count, I question the following double counted pages:

 

Page 11 front page 5 of story 2

Page 12 back page 6 of story 2

Page 12 front page 7 of story 2

Page 12 back page 8 of story 2

 

and

 

Page 19 front is page 5 of story 3

Page 19 back is page 6 of story 3

Page 19 front is page 7 of story 3

Page 19 back is page 8 of story 3

 

Perhaps the buyer can clarify?

 

As Rick indicates the half-wrap cuts were common in wartime Timelys. I have other wartime Timelys with such cuts, and I don't believe they're evidence of missing pages.

 

Ah didnt see the typo fixed it (thumbs u

 

So 28 total interior pages or 56 interior pages

 

Counting the front and back cover page that would put the total at 56 interior pages and 4 cover pages so 60 total

[Trey Cannon]

during the war, there were many such cuts and weird wrap combos

Was this true of both Timely and DC? I had a batman #18 that had a simular cut but was later found to be missing a wrap

[skypinkblu]

http://twomorrows.com/alterego/media/Golden%20Age%20Index.pdf

 

Check page #165, this is a great reference for all those weird page counts.

 

and I have LOTS of books like that. Usually the books have more pages on the leftside of the center staple than the right. It repeated in some 1950's DCs.

[Trey Cannon]

I'm the one who sold Trey the Cap #34. Before sending the book out I reviewed the comic book to make sure the book was complete. There should be 56 internal pages (minus the covers).

 

As Rick indicates the half-wrap cuts were common in wartime Timelys. I have other wartime Timelys with such cuts, and I don't believe they're evidence of missing pages.

 

Let me add that Rockman has been very understanding with me and offered a full refund or a partial refund if the book was missing wraps. I just want to make sure that it is not no need to get rid of a perfectly ok book . As you guys know I am new to the GA collecting so forgive my ignorance

[skypinkblu]

Well, the Keltner index is THE source, even if you are not new to GA. Hope it helps, I keep it in my favorites.

[rodan57]

There have been a number of threads on this issue: the conclusion was that if there was a neat stub then it was "from the factory" with nothing missing.

[Trey Cannon]

Well, the Keltner index is THE source, even if you are not new to GA. Hope it helps, I keep it in my favorites.

 

So my question is " Does the Keltner index total page count mean interior pages only?

 

If it doesn't include covers then the book would be missing 4 pages which could account for the four cuts

[Timely]

Page count should be 16-12 (meaning 16 page leafs left of the center of the book and 12 page leafs to the right of the center.)

 

West

[Trey Cannon]

Page count should be 16-12 (meaning 16 page leafs left of the center of the book and 12 page leafs to the right of the center.)

 

West

 

I'm still confused as wether the count means 56 interior pages or 60 interior pages

 

16-12 means 28 interior pages is that what you are saying

[BB-Gun]

Captain America 40 is also 60 pages. Cover is 4 pages and the interior is 56. Cover says 60 pages which is the total. Keltner index also says 60 pages.