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How Do We Achieve Pro-Active Disclosure In The Marketplace?

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How To Achieve Pro-Active Disclosure  

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  1. 1. How To Achieve Pro-Active Disclosure

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Rino

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As long as a book has been properly pressed it can only enhance the value of the comic and not hurt it.
This is yet to be proven. ;)

 

Actually, I would say it has 'yet to be disproved'.

 

Well, if pressing a book guarantees to enhance the value why aren't sellers jumping up and down to say 'this book has been pressed' so they can get more money for it?

 

It simply does enhance the value. You and I both know that pressing a book that can benefit from from pressing tends to get a higher grade.

 

Therefore, using basic, 1st grade logic, pressing enhances value.

 

 

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Dale Roberts

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What you should be curious about are the people on the sales forum who say the book is not pressed, but DON'T disclose the fact that Matt or someone else pro-screened the book and said pressing would not help the book. I have seen this in person with a number of forumites on both slabs and raw books.

Personally, as a collector, I really don't care to know if a book is "pressable" or not, I just need to know if it was pressed or not, as I don't like "manipulated" books, nor do I like date stamps, signatures or off-centered covers.

 

Maybe I did buy in the past in this Forum unpressed books from pressers that do disclose and which were pro-screened as "unimproveable", then what ? They were disclosed as unpressed and that is enough to me, like it is I'm sure for most people here who do not want pressed books in their collection. To me, the seller of the book did the ethical thing.

 

I am much more reluctant to buy from a seller whom does not disclose than I am to buy from someone that does pro-actively disclose.

 

You are not talking about me then. Because I do disclose. Anytime anyone asks.

 

I mean, seriously...., isn't the disclosure the important part. The pro-active or reactive part is just the dressing.

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Dale Roberts

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I will be looking into getting a few samples tested for damage soon. Both old and new, pressed books. I would ideally like to see microscopic pictures of the paper fibers in comparison to books that have not been pressed.

 

Will that realistically show anything about the pressing? Might it not show effects of how the book was stored or preserved, maybe even prior to your owning it.

 

If you could look at books which you purchased at the same time, have been stored in the exact same conditions and one pressed and one not pressed, you might come up with something useful.

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Dale Roberts

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I, for one, choose NOT to proactively disclose whether a book has been pressed or not, but I will be happy to answer honestly any questions regarding pressing (or anything else) that I know on books I sell in the marketplace or anywhere else. I will always pro-actively disclose any known restoration on anything I sell, and if I miss something, I will do my best to make it right.

 

 

Dale, out of curiosity and not casting stones, do you not proactively disclose pressed books on the boards because of the extra effort involved, because of possible difference in success of sales or a different reason? (shrug)

 

Several reasons actually. Partly (mostly?) because I get so many slabs in from different invoices and from many months back, that it would take time to go back and look at what was sent to be pressed, what was sent for pro-screen and did not pass, etc.

 

For example, I have just finished scanning about 65 slabs to run a sales thread, and alot of the books came back to me at conventions (thanks Gemma) and on alot of the books, I have no idea which ones were pressed and which ones were not.

 

I also purchase many books already slabbed and can guess whether or not books have been pressed, but I can never know for sure. And I have seen books which have been pressed that looked like they needed another press, so you can't always tell by looking.

 

I don't see any reason to proactively disclose here, when I don't do so to the public at large. None of my competition (major high grade convention/ web site dealers) proactively disclose. For me to put a sticker that says pressed on books that have been pressed puts me on an uneven playing field with my competition, and this is not something I am willing to do, because this is how I make my living.

 

Not to mention that I still have never had anyone ask me whether or not a book has been pressed except members of this board. To mark a book as pressed would make an issue out of something that is not an issue. No one outside of this board cares. I firmly believe that.

 

And finally, because I don't feel that it is necessary. Anyone that knows me, knows that all they have to do is ask, and I will tell them the truth, whether the answer is pressed, not pressed, or I don't know.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply. (thumbs u

No problem Gaz. I hope you can understand and accept my reasoning.

 

I am not doing it out of some need to be a contrarian. I am completely for disclosure, it is the pro-active part that I don't see as necessary.

 

Either way, some people are going to be honest about disclosure, and some people are not. \\

 

I will say that I just purchased a beautiful JIM 104 from Dale and I DID ask if it had been pressed. He replied that it had not, but that it had been pro-screened by Matt Nelson and it would make no difference to the grade to press it. I'm all for disclosure, and I picked the best method to get it. I asked.

 

Thank you again for the business by the way. (thumbs u

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Comicopolis

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As long as a book has been properly pressed it can only enhance the value of the comic and not hurt it.
This is yet to be proven. ;)

 

Actually, I would say it has 'yet to be disproved'.

 

Well, if pressing a book guarantees to enhance the value why aren't sellers jumping up and down to say 'this book has been pressed' so they can get more money for it?

 

It simply does enhance the value. You and I both know that pressing a book that can benefit from from pressing tends to get a higher grade.

 

Therefore, using basic, 1st grade logic, pressing enhances value.

 

 

So why don't sellers say 'this book has been pressed' and get more money for it?

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DrWatson

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It simply does enhance the value. You and I both know that pressing a book that can benefit from from pressing tends to get a higher grade.

 

Therefore, using basic, 1st grade logic, pressing enhances value.

I have had books that visually benefited from pressing and dropped two CGC grades. Where did pressing enhance the value there... based on your 1st grade logic? I'll answer for you. The intrinsic value of book increased, but the monetary value decreased.

 

So, what does that tell us? I'll answer again. You are a nincompoop. That one's derived from basic logic.

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Comicopolis

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It simply does enhance the value. You and I both know that pressing a book that can benefit from from pressing tends to get a higher grade.

 

Therefore, using basic, 1st grade logic, pressing enhances value.

I have had books that visually benefited from pressing and dropped two CGC grades. Where did pressing enhance the value there... based on your 1st grade logic? I'll answer for you. The intrinsic value of book increased, but the monetary value decreased.

 

So, what does that tell us? I'll answer again. You are a nincompoop. That one's derived from basic logic.

 

:roflmao:

 

He's the anti-poppet!

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