Dealer Selling Rule #1

[miraclemet]

 

I've been at brick and mortar comic shops where someone will bring in a comic for sale, and on a few occasions I've seen the shop guy take a pass, but another customer ask to see the books for possible purchase. Every time the lines the same "guys I'm gonna have to ask you to take this out of the store, my boss doesn't pay rent & utilities for other people to make deals"

 

And to me, at a show, a dealer's booth/tables is his/her store.

 

 

 

 

[cheetah]

 

Or because when a seller sends you SOMEONE ELSES book by mistake, you actually lift a finger to find it in 9 months rather than be too important to look for someones measly $170 book that you have by accident???

 

Isn't this the mix-up involving Cheetah? I was never involved in that, and as far as I know Cheetah made right with you. I don't think you and I have ever even talked or emailed each other.

 

Made right???

 

I dont have the book that i want BADLY and you do. Show me where i can buy another perfectly centered 9.6 Avengers 64 Pedigree copy and then i'll be "made right" (thumbs u

 

Considering everyone involved has told me that the book was sent to you and YOU have misplaced it, i'm pretty sure that you are "involved"

 

But you are correct that we've never talked since you never responded to my email.

 

I'm sorry your book got lost. And I respond to all of my emails promptly. I didn't misplace your book. Call me and we'll discuss. But don't call me today because my office phone line went kaput.

 

I sent you an email on 8/4/11 at 5:32pm according to my sent mail folder.

 

Today is 10/18/11 at 6:39pm and ive yet to receive a response.

 

When exactly can i expect this "prompt" response?

 

Didn't get it buddy. Only one email sent to me in two and a half months? For being as mad as you are, that's not trying very hard.

 

Sometimes it is worthwhile to search for your name as you never know what you might be missing. I thought I would set the record straight on this, though.

 

The book I had sold to Jason was inadvertently included in one of approximately 30 boxes of books I traded to Worldwide last year. The error was entirely my own. I did not catch the error for a couple of weeks and by the time I got in touch with Steve Ritter, the book had been cracked out for pressing. I told Jason I would give him the book when it came back, even if it pressed up to a 9.8.

 

Turns out that between Worldwide and Classics, the book has been misplaced. It has not been sold, it has not been given away. As a result, I gave Jason his money back and I thought all was well. I am out a decent copy of a non-key Avengers book but since it wasn't even the best copy that I owned at the time, I'm not particularly upset. I've done enough business with Steve to where it all evens out.

 

As far as I know, Matt wasn't really involved in the deal so getting all over Matt's case isn't really the right way to vent the hysteria. You can be pissed off at me for making the error, and that is fine. I made it right by refunding your money and apologizing for my mistake. It's really the best I can do. But it is important to understand that you have your money back and the book is not 'yours.' The lost book is ultimately between me, Steve and Matt. You calling and emailing Steve (WW emails go to Steve not to Matt) isn't going to get the book back because Steve knows it is not your book. He probably doesn't respond to your emails because I told him it was not an issue between you and Worldwide; it is between ME and Worldwide.

 

So I would really appreciate it if you would turn down the drama on this one. No one has screwed you and if you feel people are ignoring you, it is because it is no longer your issue to deal with. I have explained all this in the past and thought you had understood. Coming onto the board to bushwhack Matt Nelson about something he is only tangentially associated with is inappropriate.

[Miss.Filter81-migration]

 

Or because when a seller sends you SOMEONE ELSES book by mistake, you actually lift a finger to find it in 9 months rather than be too important to look for someones measly $170 book that you have by accident???

 

Isn't this the mix-up involving Cheetah? I was never involved in that, and as far as I know Cheetah made right with you. I don't think you and I have ever even talked or emailed each other.

 

Made right???

 

I dont have the book that i want BADLY and you do. Show me where i can buy another perfectly centered 9.6 Avengers 64 Pedigree copy and then i'll be "made right" (thumbs u

 

Considering everyone involved has told me that the book was sent to you and YOU have misplaced it, i'm pretty sure that you are "involved"

 

But you are correct that we've never talked since you never responded to my email.

 

I'm sorry your book got lost. And I respond to all of my emails promptly. I didn't misplace your book. Call me and we'll discuss. But don't call me today because my office phone line went kaput.

 

I sent you an email on 8/4/11 at 5:32pm according to my sent mail folder.

 

Today is 10/18/11 at 6:39pm and ive yet to receive a response.

 

When exactly can i expect this "prompt" response?

 

Didn't get it buddy. Only one email sent to me in two and a half months? For being as mad as you are, that's not trying very hard.

 

Sometimes it is worthwhile to search for your name as you never know what you might be missing. I thought I would set the record straight on this, though.

 

The book I had sold to Jason was inadvertently included in one of approximately 30 boxes of books I traded to Worldwide last year. The error was entirely my own. I did not catch the error for a couple of weeks and by the time I got in touch with Steve Ritter, the book had been cracked out for pressing. I told Jason I would give him the book when it came back, even if it pressed up to a 9.8.

 

Turns out that between Worldwide and Classics, the book has been misplaced. It has not been sold, it has not been given away. As a result, I gave Jason his money back and I thought all was well. I am out a decent copy of a non-key Avengers book but since it wasn't even the best copy that I owned at the time, I'm not particularly upset. I've done enough business with Steve to where it all evens out.

 

As far as I know, Matt wasn't really involved in the deal so getting all over Matt's case isn't really the right way to vent the hysteria. You can be pissed off at me for making the error, and that is fine. I made it right by refunding your money and apologizing for my mistake. It's really the best I can do. But it is important to understand that you have your money back and the book is not 'yours.' The lost book is ultimately between me, Steve and Matt. You calling and emailing Steve (WW emails go to Steve not to Matt) isn't going to get the book back because Steve knows it is not your book. He probably doesn't respond to your emails because I told him it was not an issue between you and Worldwide; it is between ME and Worldwide.

 

So I would really appreciate it if you would turn down the drama on this one. No one has screwed you and if you feel people are ignoring you, it is because it is no longer your issue to deal with. I have explained all this in the past and thought you had understood. Coming onto the board to bushwhack Matt Nelson about something he is only tangentially associated with is inappropriate.

 

Sounds like the guy is confused! Matt's A+ in my book, he's always gone out of his to help us out if we need it! Thanks for setting the record straight Jeff. I'm not quite sure how an issue with Doug trying to use Bob's booth for his business has turned into a "let's bash Matt thread".

 

 

[Old Fashion PB and J]

Even I can't blame WWComics for misplacing someone elses book? So Sufunk should be upset with Cheetah, not WWC. And the money was refunded. So while it stinks I see no real wrong doing?

[seanfingh]

Do not argue with an idjit. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

 

You're right. I should have just moved along.

Indeed.

 

I can't wait to meet you in person.

You'll be disappointed.

 

+1

[Mark 1]

I find it so ironic that so many come on this board to say they won't buy from Doug but yet he continues to run a business and isn't folding in this downturned economy. We are talking about high end books with hefty prices...he still is making money...going to shows...

 

He has a lot of books consigned to him regardless of his past and continues to post in this forum, advertise in OSPG, is an advisor to OSPG, wins awards from CGC registry, etc. Am I wrong that this all seems so hypocritical?

 

Clearly people are doing business with him and based on the high grade books he sells we aren't talking about the common collector. These are high end CGC collectors. Big $$$$

 

Something seems off kilter...(and RMA, I know about your screaming girl picture in case you feel like posting it again).

 

And in case it comes up...when I first got back into collecting last year I did buy a few TOS from Doug (1 before I knew about his past and a few more after I heard). Service was good and I had no problems. Haven't bought from him since though.

 

Based on Bob's story, Doug was wrong for approaching customers at someone else's booth. That's clear.

 

But my point is...all this holier than thou stuff seems to be pointless. The guy is still well entrenched in this hobby and all the credible sources (OSPG, GPA, CGC) still do business with him. Go figure.

[ComicConnoisseur]

I see he just made an announcement in the dealers section about the November auction. I wonder if he will chime in here?

 

 

Given the reception/reaction Matt got, and Matt was simply in a photo with Doug and didn't actually do anything to Bob in NYC, I highly doubt Doug would be rushing to get here.

 

In addition, most collectors are addicts so what is to be gained by commenting?

 

 

 

If Doug has the books that are in short supply at the grade, the buyers will line up.

Apparently some people are making money in this hobby, but apparently some are not.

My Spider-sense is tingling to find out WHY!

[Flaming_Telepath]

I find it so ironic that so many come on this board to say they won't buy from Doug but yet he continues to run a business and isn't folding in this downturned economy. We are talking about high end books with hefty prices...he still is making money...going to shows...

 

He has a lot of books consigned to him regardless of his past and continues to post in this forum, advertise in OSPG, is an advisor to OSPG, wins awards from CGC registry, etc. Am I wrong that this all seems so hypocritical?

 

Clearly people are doing business with him and based on the high grade books he sells we aren't talking about the common collector. These are high end CGC collectors. Big $$$$

 

Something seems off kilter...(and RMA, I know about your screaming girl picture in case you feel like posting it again).

 

And in case it comes up...when I first got back into collecting last year I did buy a few TOS from Doug (1 before I knew about his past and a few more after I heard). Service was good and I had no problems. Haven't bought from him since though.

 

Based on Bob's story, Doug was wrong for approaching customers at someone else's booth. That's clear.

 

But my point is...all this holier than thou stuff seems to be pointless. The guy is still well entrenched in this hobby and all the credible sources (OSPG, GPA, CGC) still do business with him. Go figure.

 

What's hypocritical?

 

The posters who have come out strongly against Doug have stated that they won't deal with him, buying or selling. Do you also want us to firebomb his house or something?

[Straw-Man]

I read the disbarred legal stuff and was very intrigued with the third paragraph:

 

The Departmental Disciplinary Committee served respondent with a notice and statement of 256 charges alleging he violated the Code of Professional Responsibility. Charges 1 through 3 involve having sex with a hooker in his office while his secretary took 'notes.' This was a direct violation of DR 1-102(A)(4), 9-102(A) and 9-102©(4).   Charges 4 through 25 concern smoking crack during courtroom preceedings violating DR 9-102(A). Also, he has a habit of stealing other clients from other attorneys.

 

in addition to asking questions about whether books are pressed, do i need to ask the dealer if he frequents hookesr before i buy from him? of is it only bad if someone's taking notes of the events? could we get some standardized rules governing this stuff?

[dem1138]

I find it so ironic that so many come on this board to say they won't buy from Doug but yet he continues to run a business and isn't folding in this downturned economy. We are talking about high end books with hefty prices...he still is making money...going to shows...

 

He has a lot of books consigned to him regardless of his past and continues to post in this forum, advertise in OSPG, is an advisor to OSPG, wins awards from CGC registry, etc. Am I wrong that this all seems so hypocritical?

 

Clearly people are doing business with him and based on the high grade books he sells we aren't talking about the common collector. These are high end CGC collectors. Big $$$$

 

Something seems off kilter...(and RMA, I know about your screaming girl picture in case you feel like posting it again).

 

And in case it comes up...when I first got back into collecting last year I did buy a few TOS from Doug (1 before I knew about his past and a few more after I heard). Service was good and I had no problems. Haven't bought from him since though.

 

Based on Bob's story, Doug was wrong for approaching customers at someone else's booth. That's clear.

 

But my point is...all this holier than thou stuff seems to be pointless. The guy is still well entrenched in this hobby and all the credible sources (OSPG, GPA, CGC) still do business with him. Go figure.

 

I think what you're missing here is that the CGC Boads do not encompass the entire comic book collecting community. When you attend a con, the majority of the people there have no idea what the CGC Boards are. I understand when you are on the boards on a daily basis that you may think that what you learn and discuss here is known by everyone else in the comic book collecting community, but it simply is not. These boards only represent a minority of collectors out there. So while everyone on these boards may now know what has transpired, a lot of buyers/customers do not.

 

It's the same reason why some books are impossible to sell on these boards, which makes the seller feel like the books are unsellable - but then they put them up on comiclink or ebay and they wind up selling for more than their original asking price on these boards.

[Mark 1]

I find it so ironic that so many come on this board to say they won't buy from Doug but yet he continues to run a business and isn't folding in this downturned economy. We are talking about high end books with hefty prices...he still is making money...going to shows...

 

He has a lot of books consigned to him regardless of his past and continues to post in this forum, advertise in OSPG, is an advisor to OSPG, wins awards from CGC registry, etc. Am I wrong that this all seems so hypocritical?

 

Clearly people are doing business with him and based on the high grade books he sells we aren't talking about the common collector. These are high end CGC collectors. Big $$$$

 

Something seems off kilter...(and RMA, I know about your screaming girl picture in case you feel like posting it again).

 

And in case it comes up...when I first got back into collecting last year I did buy a few TOS from Doug (1 before I knew about his past and a few more after I heard). Service was good and I had no problems. Haven't bought from him since though.

 

Based on Bob's story, Doug was wrong for approaching customers at someone else's booth. That's clear.

 

But my point is...all this holier than thou stuff seems to be pointless. The guy is still well entrenched in this hobby and all the credible sources (OSPG, GPA, CGC) still do business with him. Go figure.

 

What's hypocritical?

 

The posters who have come out strongly against Doug have stated that they won't deal with him, buying or selling. Do you also want us to firebomb his house or something?

 

Sigh....

 

It's hypocritical that this is the CGC forum where all of us gather...collect their books and he is fully ostrosized in any thread that comes up on here.

 

Yet, he advertises on this forum, CGC takes his money just like any other dealer, he is an advisor to the OSPG, provides sales data to GPA, attends shows and hangs out with people who seem to be well respected here (such as Jaime Graham and Matt Nelson to name a few) and he continues to sell high grade CGC books that just miraculously seem to sell and be consigned to his business.

 

I guess that's not hypocritical?

 

And nobody said to do anything to his house. It's in a gated community anyway, so good luck getting in.

[ComicConnoisseur]

Well, he hasn't screwed me over, so I don't see what the problem is.

 

So what if he got disbarred for taking his clients' money and using it to front the purchase of inventory? It's not like ethics are really all that important when business is concerned. People bought from Al Capone, didn't they? Besides, it wasn't my money, and at any rate, disbarment isn't anything special, hell Fred Phelps got disbarred. I bet it's a badge of courage for some folk. Kind of like a Purple Heart.

 

Look, I think it's only fair to say that as long as someone else is getting screwed over - shucks, I'd bet most don't even know it's happening, and what they don't know can't hurt 'em, ain't I right? - and no laws are being broken, it's all good. And to clarify, I mean real laws, like treason and murder and stuff

 

Sal, Sal, Sal...you're being terribly naive...

 

Remember:

 

 

This is how addic...er, collectors...look at dealers who have what they want...

 

You KNOW this....

 

 

[pc1009]

Collectors will always buy high grade books...

[Straw-Man]

Even I can't blame WWComics for misplacing someone elses book? So Sufunk should be upset with Cheetah, not WWC. And the money was refunded. So while it stinks I see no real wrong doing?

 

nice post.

[ComicConnoisseur]

 

Or because when a seller sends you SOMEONE ELSES book by mistake, you actually lift a finger to find it in 9 months rather than be too important to look for someones measly $170 book that you have by accident???

 

Isn't this the mix-up involving Cheetah? I was never involved in that, and as far as I know Cheetah made right with you. I don't think you and I have ever even talked or emailed each other.

 

Made right???

 

I dont have the book that i want BADLY and you do. Show me where i can buy another perfectly centered 9.6 Avengers 64 Pedigree copy and then i'll be "made right" (thumbs u

 

Considering everyone involved has told me that the book was sent to you and YOU have misplaced it, i'm pretty sure that you are "involved"

 

But you are correct that we've never talked since you never responded to my email.

 

I'm sorry your book got lost. And I respond to all of my emails promptly. I didn't misplace your book. Call me and we'll discuss. But don't call me today because my office phone line went kaput.

 

I sent you an email on 8/4/11 at 5:32pm according to my sent mail folder.

 

Today is 10/18/11 at 6:39pm and ive yet to receive a response.

 

When exactly can i expect this "prompt" response?

 

Didn't get it buddy. Only one email sent to me in two and a half months? For being as mad as you are, that's not trying very hard.

 

Sometimes it is worthwhile to search for your name as you never know what you might be missing. I thought I would set the record straight on this, though.

 

The book I had sold to Jason was inadvertently included in one of approximately 30 boxes of books I traded to Worldwide last year. The error was entirely my own. I did not catch the error for a couple of weeks and by the time I got in touch with Steve Ritter, the book had been cracked out for pressing. I told Jason I would give him the book when it came back, even if it pressed up to a 9.8.

 

Turns out that between Worldwide and Classics, the book has been misplaced. It has not been sold, it has not been given away. As a result, I gave Jason his money back and I thought all was well. I am out a decent copy of a non-key Avengers book but since it wasn't even the best copy that I owned at the time, I'm not particularly upset. I've done enough business with Steve to where it all evens out.

 

As far as I know, Matt wasn't really involved in the deal so getting all over Matt's case isn't really the right way to vent the hysteria. You can be pissed off at me for making the error, and that is fine. I made it right by refunding your money and apologizing for my mistake. It's really the best I can do. But it is important to understand that you have your money back and the book is not 'yours.' The lost book is ultimately between me, Steve and Matt. You calling and emailing Steve (WW emails go to Steve not to Matt) isn't going to get the book back because Steve knows it is not your book. He probably doesn't respond to your emails because I told him it was not an issue between you and Worldwide; it is between ME and Worldwide.

 

So I would really appreciate it if you would turn down the drama on this one. No one has screwed you and if you feel people are ignoring you, it is because it is no longer your issue to deal with. I have explained all this in the past and thought you had understood. Coming onto the board to bushwhack Matt Nelson about something he is only tangentially associated with is inappropriate.

 

[Flaming_Telepath]

I find it so ironic that so many come on this board to say they won't buy from Doug but yet he continues to run a business and isn't folding in this downturned economy. We are talking about high end books with hefty prices...he still is making money...going to shows...

 

He has a lot of books consigned to him regardless of his past and continues to post in this forum, advertise in OSPG, is an advisor to OSPG, wins awards from CGC registry, etc. Am I wrong that this all seems so hypocritical?

 

Clearly people are doing business with him and based on the high grade books he sells we aren't talking about the common collector. These are high end CGC collectors. Big $$$$

 

Something seems off kilter...(and RMA, I know about your screaming girl picture in case you feel like posting it again).

 

And in case it comes up...when I first got back into collecting last year I did buy a few TOS from Doug (1 before I knew about his past and a few more after I heard). Service was good and I had no problems. Haven't bought from him since though.

 

Based on Bob's story, Doug was wrong for approaching customers at someone else's booth. That's clear.

 

But my point is...all this holier than thou stuff seems to be pointless. The guy is still well entrenched in this hobby and all the credible sources (OSPG, GPA, CGC) still do business with him. Go figure.

 

What's hypocritical?

 

The posters who have come out strongly against Doug have stated that they won't deal with him, buying or selling. Do you also want us to firebomb his house or something?

 

Sigh....

 

It's hypocritical that this is the CGC forum where all of us gather...collect their books and he is fully ostrosized in any thread that comes up on here.

 

Yet, he advertises on this forum, CGC takes his money just like any other dealer, he is an advisor to the OSPG, provides sales data to GPA, attends shows and hangs out with people who seem to be well respected here (such as Jaime Graham and Matt Nelson to name a few) and he continues to sell high grade CGC books that just miraculously seem to sell and be consigned to his business.

 

I guess that's not hypocritical?

 

And nobody said to do anything to his house. It's in a gated community anyway, so good luck getting in.

 

Hang on, hang on...

 

Who precisely are you suggesting is hypocritical?

 

The only people who have come out against him in this fashion are the boarders who have decided they don't wish to support a shyster.

 

So they don't.

 

When did CGC state they had real problems with his conduct? When did Overstreet? When did Matt Nelson?

 

That's not hypocrisy...that's simply a case of them not being arsed how he makes his money, just so long as they get their cut.

 

Unethically on their part? Maybe.

 

Hypocritical? No.

[Flaming_Telepath]

Collectors will always buy high grade books...

 

From anyone?

 

Under any circumstances?

 

Yeah, some of them probably will...so maybe the rest of us need to scream just a little bit louder.

[skypinkblu]

I read the disbarred legal stuff and was very intrigued with the third paragraph:

 

The Departmental Disciplinary Committee served respondent with a notice and statement of 256 charges alleging he violated the Code of Professional Responsibility. Charges 1 through 3 involve having sex with a hooker in his office while his secretary took 'notes.' This was a direct violation of DR 1-102(A)(4), 9-102(A) and 9-102©(4).   Charges 4 through 25 concern smoking crack during courtroom preceedings violating DR 9-102(A). Also, he has a habit of stealing other clients from other attorneys.

 

in addition to asking questions about whether books are pressed, do i need to ask the dealer if he frequents hookesr before i buy from him? of is it only bad if someone's taking notes of the events? could we get some standardized rules governing this stuff?

 

I wonder if you thought about asking for tapes to be included with the books;)?

(at least I know with you I can make a joke;)

[chrisco37]

Collectors will always buy high grade books...

 

From anyone?

 

Under any circumstances?

 

Yeah, some of them probably will...so maybe the rest of us need to scream just a little bit louder.

 

You know they will. How many people have rolled the dice with Hammer even after being here and reading the multitude of threads/warnings?

 

 

[seanfingh]

Collectors will always buy high grade books...

 

From anyone?

 

Under any circumstances?

 

Yeah, some of them probably will...so maybe the rest of us need to scream just a little bit louder.

 

You know they will. How many people have rolled the dice with Hammer even after being here and reading the multitude of threads/warnings?

 

 

Mephistopheles has a sweet Suspense #3 for 15% over OSPG that is getting a lot of looks on the 'Bay.