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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

100 copies is a lot for a book that arguably doesn't have 100 collectors, let alone 100 collectors seeking out a CGC 9.8 copy of issue 1.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

100 copies is a lot for a book that arguably doesn't have 100 collectors, let alone 100 collectors seeking out a CGC 9.8 copy of issue 1.

 

 

It is amazing how people continue to dump on Valiant. If it isn't your cup of tea, then don't drink it. There are plenty of people who enjoy Valiant and I am not talking about the legacy readers and followers. I sitll say they crank out some of the best stories in the industry.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet. The question is how many people are willing to pay the $250-$350 for it if the current series fails and there are no movie/tv prospects to inflate prices?

 

When I look at the number of so-so Image books being optioned, I keep wondering if Valiant will ever get something on the big or small screen.

 

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I know the Strain is not new news but #1 was sold like 15 times just yesterday on the bay. All for pretty strong prices too. If this show is as cool as it could be, watch out, this book could have no ceiling.

Superbowl ads don't hurt.

 

At least SOME of you guys get the good adds. :sorry:

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Based on ebay watchers here are some interesting CGC'ed Modern Age comics heating up:

 

Preacher #1 CGC 9.8 @ $122 & 58 watchers.

Y: The Last Man #1 CGC 9.8 @ $305 & 51 watchers.

Sheltered #1 CGC 9.8 @ $66 & 50 watchers.

Harbinger #1 CGC 9.8 @ $270 & 44 watchers.

Black Science #1 CGC 9.8 @ $26 & 33 watchers.

 

hm

 

 

Why's Harbinger so high all of a sudden?

 

That is NOT a high price for Harbinger. If fact it would be considered a very low price if that book sold there.

 

I don't know why Whetton is putting Valiants selling 'below average' as 'heating up'. He's been on the VF boards long enough to know what the price of that book is....

 

The attention surrounding the book has definitely increased. I see more watchers than ever before. That might not translate into dollars but it does translate into interest and that's all I'm reporting on.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

100 copies is a lot for a book that arguably doesn't have 100 collectors, let alone 100 collectors seeking out a CGC 9.8 copy of issue 1.

 

 

It is amazing how people continue to dump on Valiant. If it isn't your cup of tea, then don't drink it. There are plenty of people who enjoy Valiant and I am not talking about the legacy readers and followers. I sitll say they crank out some of the best stories in the industry.

 

 

Hey, I'm an original Valiant collector, but I acknowledge the number of collectors for the original material is pretty low right now. When VEI was just starting to come out with the new titles, there was a bump in the original material (1st X-O Manowar, 1st Harbinger, 1st Eternal Warrior, etc.) but after about 4-6 months, the buyers fell off a cliff. Now those books go for even less than before the bump! It's frustrating sure, but it is what it is.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

100 copies is a lot for a book that arguably doesn't have 100 collectors, let alone 100 collectors seeking out a CGC 9.8 copy of issue 1.

 

wut?

 

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

100 copies is a lot for a book that arguably doesn't have 100 collectors, let alone 100 collectors seeking out a CGC 9.8 copy of issue 1.

 

wut?

 

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet. The question is how many people are willing to pay the $250-$350 for it if the current series fails and there are no movie/tv prospects to inflate prices?

 

When I look at the number of so-so Image books being optioned, I keep wondering if Valiant will ever get something on the big or small screen.

 

Harbinger 1 doesn't have a TON of downside in CGC 9.8 in that price range. It's a relatively tough 9.8, has a very low print run for its era, is a classic book that a lot of people have some nostalgia for, and the characters are back in print for now. Even if the current series died, it's already renewed some interest in the book.

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet.

 

My opinion is that the last ~10 years cast doubt on this scenario.

 

When you have high dollar sales for a "common" book they get graded in droves. See Batman Adventures 12. There was quite a lot of publicity when there were ~$1000 prices for CGC 9.8 copies of H1. If they were going to come out to play, why not then? The mythical sealed case has never surfaced - this is not Wolverine 1.

 

Despite this, there has never been an explosion in the census. I can only guess how big the explosion in submissions was based on what has been graded so far since pre-screening completely throws off what we are trying to measure, But as it stands the current 9.8 count is 119 out 663 universal blue labels.

 

As has been discussed many times, the problem with H1 is that there were production problems that keep most copies out of 9.8 and most of those problems are not pressable. It would not surprise me if a small percentage of the run had a shot at 9.8 as they came off the press in 1992. And it's all downhill from there after 22 years of time.

 

 

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet. The question is how many people are willing to pay the $250-$350 for it if the current series fails and there are no movie/tv prospects to inflate prices?

 

When I look at the number of so-so Image books being optioned, I keep wondering if Valiant will ever get something on the big or small screen.

 

Harbinger 1 doesn't have a TON of downside in CGC 9.8 in that price range. It's a relatively tough 9.8, has a very low print run for its era, is a classic book that a lot of people have some nostalgia for, and the characters are back in print for now. Even if the current series died, it's already renewed some interest in the book.

 

Certainly. You don't need to be a Valiant collector to want a H1 9.8 in your collection. It is a legit modern era key book. I would put it in the top 10, and I can't see it out of the top 20 in any serious list.

 

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet. The question is how many people are willing to pay the $250-$350 for it if the current series fails and there are no movie/tv prospects to inflate prices?

 

When I look at the number of so-so Image books being optioned, I keep wondering if Valiant will ever get something on the big or small screen.

 

Harbinger 1 doesn't have a TON of downside in CGC 9.8 in that price range. It's a relatively tough 9.8, has a very low print run for its era, is a classic book that a lot of people have some nostalgia for, and the characters are back in print for now. Even if the current series died, it's already renewed some interest in the book.

 

Certainly. You don't need to be a Valiant collector to want a H1 9.8 in your collection. It is a legit modern era key book. I would put it in the top 10, and I can't see it out of the top 20 in any serious list.

 

 

YEAH! What he said! :preach:

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I never got sucked into the Valiant 90's hype, though I bought Dr Solars & Magnus because I had some old ones as a kid. My BS detector went off back then when Wizard's "price guide" had every Valiant book listed at insane prices, all the while half the ads in their rag were for Valiant books.

Image was able to shed their '90's glut rep by doing top notch quality books, Valiant may have a ways to go to do the same IMO

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Harbinger #1 has sold for waaaay more than that in the past. It's been in the toilet ($250-$300) for a while.

 

It actually has never bottomed out at that range. The only sales under $300 occurred during the infancy of CGC, and long before the demand for Harbinger shot the price up to $2500. The past year or so the book has oscillated around $300-350, ending closer to $350.

 

From what I understand, the books he lists are based on the # of bids, not the price.

 

FWIW, the suckers were the ones that bought Harbinger #1 at the highs. There were plenty of HG copies to go around and it was only a matter of time for more to surface. Just like any BA/CA/Modern #1 or key, there will be more highest graded copies on the census over time and that will bring prices back to reality.

 

Actually that particular post had to do with the number of watchers, not the price.

 

I think you are a little strong with your characterization of the supply of high grade Harbinger 1s. Given a book that sold from $2500 down to $350, there are still only about 100 9.8s on the census which has grown very very slowly for a 90's "big money" book. Compare to Batman Adventures 12.

 

Certainly there was little support for a 2500 price given even a slowly growing census count, but it still is a legitimately tough book to grade out at 9.8.

 

It is tougher than other books from that period, but at an estimated 48,000 print run there are plenty of potential 9.8s out there in long boxes and store stock that have not come out to play yet. The question is how many people are willing to pay the $250-$350 for it if the current series fails and there are no movie/tv prospects to inflate prices?

 

When I look at the number of so-so Image books being optioned, I keep wondering if Valiant will ever get something on the big or small screen.

 

Harbinger 1 doesn't have a TON of downside in CGC 9.8 in that price range. It's a relatively tough 9.8, has a very low print run for its era, is a classic book that a lot of people have some nostalgia for, and the characters are back in print for now. Even if the current series died, it's already renewed some interest in the book.

 

Certainly. You don't need to be a Valiant collector to want a H1 9.8 in your collection. It is a legit modern era key book. I would put it in the top 10, and I can't see it out of the top 20 in any serious list.

 

 

I think the Valiant book that should be on people's top 10 modern lists is VH1 X-O Manowar 1. The title outsold Harbinger back in the day (X-O Manowar was published for over a year after the original Harbinger title folded), it was one of the few titles revived by Acclaim (Harbinger did not make the cut), and is the top selling Valiant title for VEI. Harbinger is a wannabe X-Men and will always be compared to that title. X-O Manowar is a unique character and is Valiant's flagship character and title. IMHO, of course. :foryou:

 

It's pathetic that VH1 X-O Manowar 1 in 9.8 CGC sells for $75 - $100. :sumo: There are VEI X-O Manowar variants that sell for more and that's just wrong.

 

As for moderns that are heating up, did anyone else notice the inexpensive (under $15) copies of House of Mystery Halloween Annual 1s disappeared on E-Bay this weekend after the iZombie news? That book has less than 12,000 copies. Not a huge print run.

 

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Based on ebay watchers here are some interesting CGC'ed Modern Age comics heating up:

 

Preacher #1 CGC 9.8 @ $122 & 58 watchers.

Y: The Last Man #1 CGC 9.8 @ $305 & 51 watchers.

Sheltered #1 CGC 9.8 @ $66 & 50 watchers.

Harbinger #1 CGC 9.8 @ $270 & 44 watchers.

Black Science #1 CGC 9.8 @ $26 & 33 watchers.

 

hm

 

 

Why's Harbinger so high all of a sudden?

 

That is NOT a high price for Harbinger. If fact it would be considered a very low price if that book sold there.

 

I don't know why Whetton is putting Valiants selling 'below average' as 'heating up'. He's been on the VF boards long enough to know what the price of that book is....

 

The attention surrounding the book has definitely increased. I see more watchers than ever before. That might not translate into dollars but it does translate into interest and that's all I'm reporting on.

 

Well the VF board has a dedicated thread to it now, with participants keeping it refreshed with each copy coming to market. That would account for a lot of the attention.

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I never got sucked into the Valiant 90's hype, though I bought Dr Solars & Magnus because I had some old ones as a kid. My BS detector went off back then when Wizard's "price guide" had every Valiant book listed at insane prices, all the while half the ads in their rag were for Valiant books.

Image was able to shed their '90's glut rep by doing top notch quality books, Valiant may have a ways to go to do the same IMO

 

Thing is, at least pre-Unity, VALIANT already did put out top-notch books. They started out that way, it was their ending that went down the toilet.

 

The new line-up? I guess we will wait and see. I admit, as a VALIANT lover, I am not buying Valiant books (there is a difference.) I wish them well, though!

 

 

 

-slym

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Based on ebay watchers here are some interesting CGC'ed Modern Age comics heating up:

 

Preacher #1 CGC 9.8 @ $122 & 58 watchers.

Y: The Last Man #1 CGC 9.8 @ $305 & 51 watchers.

Sheltered #1 CGC 9.8 @ $66 & 50 watchers.

Harbinger #1 CGC 9.8 @ $270 & 44 watchers.

Black Science #1 CGC 9.8 @ $26 & 33 watchers.

 

hm

 

 

Why's Harbinger so high all of a sudden?

 

That is NOT a high price for Harbinger. If fact it would be considered a very low price if that book sold there.

 

I don't know why Whetton is putting Valiants selling 'below average' as 'heating up'. He's been on the VF boards long enough to know what the price of that book is....

 

The attention surrounding the book has definitely increased. I see more watchers than ever before. That might not translate into dollars but it does translate into interest and that's all I'm reporting on.

 

Well the VF board has a dedicated thread to it now, with participants keeping it refreshed with each copy coming to market. That would account for a lot of the attention.

 

No offense to vf.com (I love that place, it isn't hard to see) but that board is a small part of the comic world. I can't see it being the main factor in any attention Harbinger 1 vol. 1 is getting.

 

 

 

-slym

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