Page Color Affect Grading?

[Pike's Comics]

Just wondering how much does this affect the grade of the comic. For example could a perfect comic with off white pages get a 9.8?

[steveinthecity]

There's a Wolverine #1 graded 10.0 with off white pages that's been posted here before, so certainly 9.8's will sometimes have off white pages. It's not uncommon. I'm not sure what the cut-off point for page quality and achieving specific grades is, but someone on here that submits a great number of books presumably knows the answer to that.

[The-Collector]

I want to know the answer to this too.

 

I think brittle pages means no grade > 3.0. Not sure about tan. I have had 9.6 and 9.8 books with ow and a 9.4 with cream.

[etanick]

i have seen many 9.6 with cream pages so cream is allowable there.

 

Now as far as 9.8, i can't recall seeing a slab with cream PQ....not that is impossible but I haven't seen one YET.

[vaillant]

I would rather be more interesting in the overall quality of printing on the insides.

I just bought a Near Mint issue of Marvel Spotlight, with a Son of Satan story I’m particularly affectioned to, and the copy would have been better than mine, if not for some production crease, not on the cover, but on the inside pages, which breaks slightly the printed images, but is a lot more annoying, to me, than a few spine stress marks. So I guess I’ll stay with my previous F/VF copy.

Also, I bought a Daredevil #111 where the turning point of the story, when the Mandrill shows he has the Black Widow under his control, is poorly printed, together with a few other pages.

 

Same thing goes for page quality: OK, the cover is important and all, but it’s annoying when a book with an almost flawless cover has yellow pages, or when the ink coverage on the insides is inconsistent (especially the Black plate).

 

I am not speaking as a CGC collector which keeps comics in slabs, but I think CGC should take into account, besides PQ, a better or worse printing quality as well.

[steveinthecity]

I am not speaking as a CGC collector which keeps comics in slabs, but I think CGC should take into account, besides PQ, a better or worse printing quality as well.

CGC allows for production defects such as bindery tears or miswraps because that is how the book was originally produced. My understanding of PQ means it's graded against how it looked when produced and how much if any degradation in quality is evident when graded. I can think of several occurrences with BA books like the one you mention, but if a book is otherwise in "like new" condition why should it take a grade hit?

 

[Bomber-Bob]

I believe this was discussed before. From memory, I think a LT/OW had an upper bound of 9.0. A 9.8 with CR/OW was possible but rare. I thought there was a Mark Haspel reference to less than 10 9.8's graded with CR/OW. Some Boardies posted a few old labels with 9.8 CR/OW but nothing recent. I don't think a straight OW is held against the grade at all.

[telerites]

I have this 9.8 with cr/ow pages. I bought it slabbed. It has a grading date of 10-5-2007.

 

[rodan57]

... but it’s annoying when a book with an almost flawless cover has yellow pages, or when the ink coverage on the insides is inconsistent (especially the Black plate).

 

I am not speaking as a CGC collector which keeps comics in slabs, but I think CGC should take into account, besides PQ, a better or worse printing quality as well.

 

I would tend to agree. If no account is made of such defects then it's the old story -- if you had the choice between the same two equally-graded books and one had printing defects that were period, but did not affect the whole run, which book would you pick?

[vaillant]

I can think of several occurrences with BA books like the one you mention, but if a book is otherwise in "like new" condition why should it take a grade hit?

 

Because it makes for a really poor reader's experience. I don’t care if the cover is iper-mint, when interiors are defective.

 

I would tend to agree. If no account is made of such defects then it's the old story -- if you had the choice between the same two equally-graded books and one had printing defects that were period, but did not affect the whole run, which book would you pick?

 

Yes. Of course, clearly the ones which is overall better. Which means a centered cover as well. I see 9.6 books which have covers stapled totally skewed.

[Battle]

Ran across this website awhile back:

 

http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/CGCWhiteness/

 

CGC Page Quality Chart

 

1 White 10.0 9.9 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8

2 Off-White to White 10.0 9.9 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

3 Off-White 9.9 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

4 Light Tan to White

5 Light Tan to Off-White 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

6 Light Tan 9.8 9.0 7.0 6.5 5.5 5.0 4.0

7 Pink to White

8 Pink to Off-White

9 Pink to Light Tan

10 Pink 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.0 5.5 4.0 3.5

11 Cream to White

12 Cream to Off-White 9.8 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

13 Cream to Light Tan 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 6.5 6.0 5.0

14 Cream to Pink 9.4 9.0 7.0 5.0

15 Cream 9.6 9.4 9.2 9.0 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.0 1.8 1.5

16 Tan to White

17 Tan to Off-White 8.5 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.0 2.5 2.0

18 Tan to Light Tan

19 Tan to Pink 9.6

20 Tan to Cream 9.8 7.0

21 Tan

22 Dark Tan to White

23 Dark Tan to Off-White 8.0 7.5 7.0 6.5 6.0 3.5

24 Dark Tan to Light Tan

25 Dark Tan to Pink

26 Dark Tan to Cream

27 Dark Tan to Tan

28 Dark Tan

29 Slightly Brittle 6.5 6.0 5.5 5.0 4.5 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

30 Brittle 5.0 4.0 3.5 3.0 2.5 2.0 1.8 1.5 1.0 0.5

 

 

[newshane]

Yeah, I always thought page quality and grade were two seperate things altogether.

 

Looks like I was right.

[Aces]

The latest standard is anything with Light Tan to Off-White pages will not receive any higher grade than a 8.5.

[fantastic_four]

Yeah, I always thought page quality and grade were two seperate things altogether.

 

Looks like I was right.

 

It's included, and I'm pretty sure CGC has occasionally wished they never started putting page color on there due to people constantly thinking it's separate (they originally didn't put it on the label but started doing it after a few months). The ENTIRE reason they stopped putting most label comments on the label in 2002 was people kept insisting they were separate from the grade when that wasn't the case. I'm curious as to how you're concluding they're separate in responding to that post showing the max grades CGC has given to books with lower page qualities--they never give above the VF level for tan or the Fine level for slightly brittle, which proves it's included.

[rjpb]

The latest standard is anything with Light Tan to Off-White pages will not receive any higher grade than a 8.5.

 

 

Good to see, as I can't imagine a 9.8 with tan pages.

 

Based on my experience as well as some resubs brought up on the boards, I'd take PQ with a grain of salt, especially with the CR/OW to OW/W range.