Larryw7 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Interesting. I have several copies listed for sale in the sales thread and while I am priced on the high fringe of fmv I haven't had a single inquiry or offer I would be all over that 3.5 copy if I wasn't paying off another book right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Interesting. I have several copies listed for sale in the sales thread and while I am priced on the high fringe of fmv I haven't had a single inquiry or offer I would be all over that 3.5 copy if I wasn't paying off another book right now. I believe that copy came from Philly too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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accessndx Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/07/05/how-a-justice-league-film-can-top-the-avengers-diversity/ Diversity: Where 'Justice League' Film Can Top 'The Avengers': Joss Whedon made headlines last month, as he does from time-to-time, criticizing the state of the superhero movie industry and the utter failure to craft a successful blockbuster superhero film featuring a female superhero. He’s right of course, as the success of The Hunger Games and The Twilight Saga proves that there is a market for large-scale success with female-driven fantasy genre, How ironic that Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn II contains one of the very best super-powered mass battle scenes ever put on film. As Warner Bros. runs itself in circles trying to figure out what to do with their Justice League property, even with Man Of Steel officially a solid global hit, the man who wrote and directed The Avengers has ironically handed Warner Bros. and DC Comics the key to differentiating their superhero team movie from The Avengers. That secret ingredient is painfully simple: Wonder Woman. For all of Marvel’s many successes over the last five years, they have yet to craft a starring vehicle featuring a female superhero and seem to have little interest in doing so. Black Widow will seemingly remain ever the supporting character while The Wasp (my daughter’s favorite Avenger) will likely at best be a co-partner in the eventual Ant Man movie. But DC Comics doesn’t just have a major female superhero with worldwide recognition, they have a female superhero as one of their three biggest characters. The Holy Trinity, they are sometimes called, which refers of course to Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. The warrior princess from Themyscira is the key to differentiating Justice League from The Avengers, as well as providing a solution to several problems currently facing the DC Comics film division. From a marketing, commercial, and hopefully artistic standpoint, the best choice Warner Bros. could make is to center their eventual Justice League movie around Wonder Woman. With Man Of Steel heading towards $650-$700 million worldwide, Warner Bros. officially has a commercially viable Superman franchise, an extremely popular just-concluded Batman franchise, and a Green Lantern movie should they chose to use these items. I’ll let others decide how best to use the Nolan Bat-Universe, especially with Christian Bale claiming that he’s not coming back. I’ll only add that the debut appearance of Joseph Gordon-Levitt in the cape-and-cowl would be an invaluable marketing gimmick, as a have your cake and eat it too way to keep Justice League firmly rooted in the Nolan world. What about Green Lantern? Well, most people hated Green Lantern and it lost quite a bit of money, but keeping it in the continuity has its advantages. It allows WB to not have to rehash the somewhat complicated origins and mythology of the Green Lantern universe for a second time. It allows them to highlight a different Lantern Corps member, such as, say, Jon Stewart. Said choice gives WB/DC a one-up over Marvel (an African-American superhero in a true co-starring role!) and allows you to highlight the GL that an entire generation of moviegoers is most familiar with due to his starring role in the superb Justice League animated series from the 2000′s. You get to market a major superhero film featuring an African-American superhero (again, something Marvel Studios seems reluctant to do) without taking any of the alleged risks associated with such a thing. As a bonus, if you so choose, you can make Hal Jordan (played by a cameo-ing Ryan Reynolds?) your big character death without sacrificing any of the core League members. As for The Flash, just make a $120 million street-level blue-collar crime thriller featuring three random Rogues played by marketable actors and wait until after Justice League to jump into the time travel/weird science pool. But Wonder Woman is the secret weapon. By using a Wonder Woman as your entry-level character, you get all of the free marketing and press that comes with having a female superhero at the center of your biggest superhero movie. You get all of the huzzahs of making a Wonder Woman movie without actually having to worry about the (alleged) marketing risks of selling a Wonder Woman movie, since this will be of course a Justice League movie. And, if the film’s characterization of Princess Diana works with audiences, you already know that the character now has the ability to handle her own stand-alone feature in the future. You get all of the ‘easy’ parts of Wonder Woman (trailer-friendly scenes of her fighting people and flying through the air while creating prurient interest) without her somewhat complicated origin story needing to be front-and-center. This also allows you to take the best parts of the terrific 2009 DCAU animated movie (the large-scale action sequences and the moments of angry feminism) without basically remaking the film as your first Wonder Woman picture. For the sake of this team picture, she’ll be the newbie arriving to Earth to help save it from whatever hell has been unleashed, the audience surrogate if you will. And since it’s a crowded 2.5 hour movie, you can get away with doing whatever origin story must be told in a brief 2-5 minute flashback and worry about the details in a future stand-alone Wonder Woman film. It’s a win-win situation. If Wonder Woman clicks in the Justice League movie, you now have established that very important character as a viable property for future expansion. If Wonder Woman isn’t popular with the fans for one reason or another, you still have a Justice League movie to sell with plenty of Superman and Batman to put in the trailer and on the posters. And no matter what, you’ll have an entire generation of young girls (and/or their parents on their behalf) scooping up Wonder Woman merchandise by the cart-full. If DC Comics and Warner Bros. really wants to differentiate its Justice League film from The Avengers, the key is diversity. A Justice League movie centered around a bunch of muscular white male superheroes may be fun, but it can’t help feeling ‘also ran’ after Marvel beat them to the punch. But a superhero team-up movie that is centered Wonder Woman and Jon Stewart’s Green Lantern is something just different enough to justify its existence beyond merely ‘Well, The Avengers made $1.5 billion and we want some of that too!”. It’s the marketing hook, racial diversity and female empowerment, that Warner Bros. needs to make its big superhero team picture stand out after what will likely have been two Avengers films by the eventual release date. It’s about letting Warner Bros. make a Wonder Woman movie without actually having to take the risks allegedly associated with selling a Wonder Woman movie. It’s being able to advertise that Warner Bros. was able to do something important before Marvel got around to it. Even today, as sad as it may be to admit, centering a major blockbuster around a female superhero and an African-American superhero would still qualify as a big deal. It’s the trump card that DC Comics has over Marvel should they choose to go that route. Not only would it be a marketing masterstroke, but it would be a way to make the Justice League movie actually *matter*. Shooting the whole film in IMAX wouldn’t hurt either, but that’s for another day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisware Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/07/05/how-a-justice-league-film-can-top-the-avengers-diversity/ Diversity: Where 'Justice League' Film Can Top 'The Avengers': Joss Whedon made headlines last month, as he does from time-to-time, criticizing the state of the superhero movie industry and the utter failure to craft a successful blockbuster superhero film featuring a female superhero. He’s right of course, as the success of The Hunger Games and The Twilight Saga proves that there is a market for large-scale success with female-driven fantasy genre, How ironic that Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn II contains one of the very best super-powered mass battle scenes ever put on film. As Warner Bros. runs itself in circles trying to figure out what to do with their Justice League property, even with Man Of Steel officially a solid global hit, the man who wrote and directed The Avengers has ironically handed Warner Bros. and DC Comics the key to differentiating their superhero team movie from The Avengers. That secret ingredient is painfully simple: Wonder Woman. For all of Marvel’s many successes over the last five years, they have yet to craft a starring vehicle featuring a female superhero and seem to have little interest in doing so. Black Widow will seemingly remain ever the supporting character while The Wasp (my daughter’s favorite Avenger) will likely at best be a co-partner in the eventual Ant Man movie. But DC Comics doesn’t just have a major female superhero with worldwide recognition, they have a female superhero as one of their three biggest characters. The Holy Trinity, they are sometimes called, which refers of course to Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. The warrior princess from Themyscira is the key to differentiating Justice League from The Avengers, as well as providing a solution to several problems currently facing the DC Comics film division. From a marketing, commercial, and hopefully artistic standpoint, the best choice Warner Bros. could make is to center their eventual Justice League movie around Wonder Woman. With Man Of Steel heading towards $650-$700 million worldwide, Warner Bros. officially has a commercially viable Superman franchise, an extremely popular just-concluded Batman franchise, and a Green Lantern movie should they chose to use these items. I’ll let others decide how best to use the Nolan Bat-Universe, especially with Christian Bale claiming that he’s not coming back. I’ll only add that the debut appearance of Joseph Gordon-Levitt in the cape-and-cowl would be an invaluable marketing gimmick, as a have your cake and eat it too way to keep Justice League firmly rooted in the Nolan world. What about Green Lantern? Well, most people hated Green Lantern and it lost quite a bit of money, but keeping it in the continuity has its advantages. It allows WB to not have to rehash the somewhat complicated origins and mythology of the Green Lantern universe for a second time. It allows them to highlight a different Lantern Corps member, such as, say, Jon Stewart. Said choice gives WB/DC a one-up over Marvel (an African-American superhero in a true co-starring role!) and allows you to highlight the GL that an entire generation of moviegoers is most familiar with due to his starring role in the superb Justice League animated series from the 2000′s. You get to market a major superhero film featuring an African-American superhero (again, something Marvel Studios seems reluctant to do) without taking any of the alleged risks associated with such a thing. As a bonus, if you so choose, you can make Hal Jordan (played by a cameo-ing Ryan Reynolds?) your big character death without sacrificing any of the core League members. As for The Flash, just make a $120 million street-level blue-collar crime thriller featuring three random Rogues played by marketable actors and wait until after Justice League to jump into the time travel/weird science pool. But Wonder Woman is the secret weapon. By using a Wonder Woman as your entry-level character, you get all of the free marketing and press that comes with having a female superhero at the center of your biggest superhero movie. You get all of the huzzahs of making a Wonder Woman movie without actually having to worry about the (alleged) marketing risks of selling a Wonder Woman movie, since this will be of course a Justice League movie. And, if the film’s characterization of Princess Diana works with audiences, you already know that the character now has the ability to handle her own stand-alone feature in the future. You get all of the ‘easy’ parts of Wonder Woman (trailer-friendly scenes of her fighting people and flying through the air while creating prurient interest) without her somewhat complicated origin story needing to be front-and-center. This also allows you to take the best parts of the terrific 2009 DCAU animated movie (the large-scale action sequences and the moments of angry feminism) without basically remaking the film as your first Wonder Woman picture. For the sake of this team picture, she’ll be the newbie arriving to Earth to help save it from whatever hell has been unleashed, the audience surrogate if you will. And since it’s a crowded 2.5 hour movie, you can get away with doing whatever origin story must be told in a brief 2-5 minute flashback and worry about the details in a future stand-alone Wonder Woman film. It’s a win-win situation. If Wonder Woman clicks in the Justice League movie, you now have established that very important character as a viable property for future expansion. If Wonder Woman isn’t popular with the fans for one reason or another, you still have a Justice League movie to sell with plenty of Superman and Batman to put in the trailer and on the posters. And no matter what, you’ll have an entire generation of young girls (and/or their parents on their behalf) scooping up Wonder Woman merchandise by the cart-full. If DC Comics and Warner Bros. really wants to differentiate its Justice League film from The Avengers, the key is diversity. A Justice League movie centered around a bunch of muscular white male superheroes may be fun, but it can’t help feeling ‘also ran’ after Marvel beat them to the punch. But a superhero team-up movie that is centered Wonder Woman and Jon Stewart’s Green Lantern is something just different enough to justify its existence beyond merely ‘Well, The Avengers made $1.5 billion and we want some of that too!”. It’s the marketing hook, racial diversity and female empowerment, that Warner Bros. needs to make its big superhero team picture stand out after what will likely have been two Avengers films by the eventual release date. It’s about letting Warner Bros. make a Wonder Woman movie without actually having to take the risks allegedly associated with selling a Wonder Woman movie. It’s being able to advertise that Warner Bros. was able to do something important before Marvel got around to it. Even today, as sad as it may be to admit, centering a major blockbuster around a female superhero and an African-American superhero would still qualify as a big deal. It’s the trump card that DC Comics has over Marvel should they choose to go that route. Not only would it be a marketing masterstroke, but it would be a way to make the Justice League movie actually *matter*. Shooting the whole film in IMAX wouldn’t hurt either, but that’s for another day. Makes perfect sense. Which means WB will go in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Very cool article talking about the Justice League in Forbes of all places - who'd a thought comic book characters would be such big business. Some great points made in it - Jon Stewart Green Lantern, Wonder Woman being one of the "holy trinitys" of superheros and DC's trump card over Marvels Avengers, ect, etc. About that last point - watch out 'cause Marvel could still get a jump on DC / Warner Bros if they dawdle around with the ideas for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 Very cool article talking about the Justice League in Forbes of all places - who'd a thought comic book characters would be such big business. Billion dollar franchises will do that ya' know. If this article really states anything it's that there's big $ on the line for every studio involved in making superhero films. If there's this degree of speculation from print like Forbes, you can bet your bottom dollar that the execs. at WB/DC and Marvel/Disney are taking and making notes to capitalize on it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share Posted July 6, 2013 After bombing horribly at the box office with the Lone Ranger and being shut out of the initial Justice League movie development in 2007: Armie Hammer can't keep his trap shut about the Justice League and pulls out some sour grapes.... http://screenrant.com/armie-hammer-skeptical-justice-league-movie/ Someone get that boy a diaper and a pacifier. Betcha he wouldn't be saying diddly if they asked him to be Bats again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Since the topic of PGX was brought up here previously I thought I'd ask you knowledgeable folks: If you did have a PGX slab that you wanted to submit to the CGC for reslabbing, what's the best way to handle that? Would you just send them the whole slab as is or would you crack it and send it raw? Any have perspective on this question? I have a couple PGX books that I would rather are CGC books and wanted to see thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Since the topic of PGX was brought up here previously I thought I'd ask you knowledgeable folks: If you did have a PGX slab that you wanted to submit to the CGC for reslabbing, what's the best way to handle that? Would you just send them the whole slab as is or would you crack it and send it raw? Any have perspective on this question? I have a couple PGX books that I would rather are CGC books and wanted to see thoughts. doesnt matter how they arrive at cgc. All books are cataloged and placed in a bar coded Mylar. The graders will have no clue what "package" the comic arrived in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Since the topic of PGX was brought up here previously I thought I'd ask you knowledgeable folks: If you did have a PGX slab that you wanted to submit to the CGC for reslabbing, what's the best way to handle that? Would you just send them the whole slab as is or would you crack it and send it raw? Any have perspective on this question? I have a couple PGX books that I would rather are CGC books and wanted to see thoughts. doesnt matter how they arrive at cgc. All books are cataloged and placed in a bar coded Mylar. The graders will have no clue what "package" the comic arrived in Perfect, thanks! It will be much easier to ship them in their slabs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 After bombing horribly at the box office with the Lone Ranger and being shut out of the initial Justice League movie development in 2007: Armie Hammer can't keep his trap shut about the Justice League and pulls out some sour grapes.... http://screenrant.com/armie-hammer-skeptical-justice-league-movie/ Someone get that boy a diaper and a pacifier. Betcha he wouldn't be saying diddly if they asked him to be Bats again. Eh, he is just pissed that he ruined one of the original great American heroes. I would be fussy if I were him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Seems like most of the negative stuff comes from direct or indirect Disney mouthpieces FTR. I know folks think I'm paranoid about that, but if those studios DON'T have some sort of agenda I'd be shocked. Even the release of Monsters University on the heels of MOS was pretty suspicious timing. Great way to draw kids away from a competing movie. As far as Hammer is concerned, I've never seen a bigger bunch of sour grapes. Waaaaaaaaah, I'm NOT Batman. Boo-hoo. They'll NEVER pull off a Justice League....I wan't my mommy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 (edited) Seems like most of the negative stuff comes from direct or indirect Disney mouthpieces FTR. I know folks think I'm paranoid about that, but if those studios DON'T have some sort of agenda I'd be shocked. Even the release of Monsters University on the heels of MOS was pretty suspicious timing. Great way to draw kids away from a competing movie. As far as Hammer is concerned, I've never seen a bigger bunch of sour grapes. Waaaaaaaaah, I'm NOT Batman. Boo-hoo. They'll NEVER pull off a Justice League....I wan't my mommy! I'm with you on this one. I rarely meet individuals that have absolutely NO agenda and never a corporation without at LEAST one. Not sure how far down down the rabbit hole I would go on this one, but movie studios are always trying to run one another out of business. Same principle applies to TV stations and planned program timing. A tenant in their business model appears to be to eliminate competition (counter-productive choice, but a seemingly common one). As far as AH goes, he is a baby. Again, I agree, not sure how much is coming from a studio or agent, but he is not coming off well. If MOS was average rated a 7-8/10, Lone Ranger was at best a 5/10. He has been pissed since he filled his first scene in "The Social Network" and knew he sucked at acting. Bad actors should stick to their bread and butter: unhelpful, uneducated and unfiltered comments about politics. Edited July 8, 2013 by rfoiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 So is the consenus that this book is stagnant or that it has room to grow? I have a low grade copy that I'm trying to decide what to do with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam I am Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 I think the book will now slide into the price abyss, but you are in luck. I will take it off your hands at a reduced market price to save you money in the long run. Yep, I'm just that nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accessndx Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share Posted July 8, 2013 Ryan: If you ask my opinion it may experience periods of 'virtual' stagnancy while waiting for new DC movies relating to it and then punctuated by vigorous vertical growth when said movies hit the scene. But that really has already happened. Technically that ship has sailed. If you're smart you'd buy while it simmers and not when it boils. The prices haven't peaked yet IMHO, so there's still an ability to buy in at "relatively" low prices vs. the future pricing. Overall there won't be 'stagnancy' per se because these books aren't getting any younger and they aren't printing them any more. These silver age DCs had very little love and exposure vs their Marvel counterparts and as more interest in DC arises, these books will become more highly sought after. Sam I am: regretfully there will be no abyss for you my friend. If you were thinking about buying anything, I'd say get them BEFORE there's any big announcement beyond what we've already seen for the JLA and definitely before any MOS sequel. If you wait until then you're going to wish you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Thanks for the perspective. Seems rational to me. If anyone wants to help me grade my copy, feel free to do so here: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6840145#Post6840145 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Thanks for the perspective. Seems rational to me. If anyone wants to help me grade my copy, feel free to do so here: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6840145#Post6840145 Sweet copy, people would buy that in a hot minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted July 8, 2013 Share Posted July 8, 2013 Thanks for the perspective. Seems rational to me. If anyone wants to help me grade my copy, feel free to do so here: http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6840145#Post6840145 Sweet copy, people would buy that in a hot minute! Thanks. My ears are always open to offers on, well, pretty much anything in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
