Jeffro. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, ADAMANTIUM said: 7 hours ago, batmiesta said: Undervalued ? I think it way overvalued, just my opinion though, I like the cover but the interior artwork leaves a lot to be desired, and prices being what they are at the moment for HG copies I would never buy one. What are your thoughts on champions #1 from 1975? The Don Heck art makes my soul bleed. Edited February 12, 2020 by Jeffro. Ken Aldred 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, batmiesta said: Pretty affordable and under appreciated I think. It does seem to be one of the few bronze Age #1s that has not caught fire yet (especially since it has a bunch of big names in it). ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmiesta Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Jeffro. said: The Don Heck art makes my soul bleed. Frank Robbins art in MP#28 has the same effect on me. Readcomix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted February 12, 2020 Author Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Jeffro. said: The Don Heck art makes my soul bleed. Early Don Heck is very sought after, especially when he worked for Comic Media and did some of the most graphic pre-code out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, PeterPark said: 10 hours ago, Jeffro. said: The Don Heck art makes my soul bleed. Early Don Heck is very sought after, especially when he worked for Comic Media and did some of the most graphic pre-code out there... Oh yeah, his GA work is fine but by the time it was the 70s and he was drawing for Marvel, it was pretty crappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, batmiesta said: 10 hours ago, Jeffro. said: The Don Heck art makes my soul bleed. Frank Robbins art in MP#28 has the same effect on me. And with The Champions, it gets even worse because after the couple of Heck issues, we're treated to Tuska inked by Colletta. Thank goodness for Byrne at the end of the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grib Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 16 hours ago, batmiesta said: Pretty affordable and under appreciated I think. The book will only go up if a show happens. The name has legs, like the Defenders. Doesn't need the original or main crew just the name and a few B characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Heck’s artwork for Iron Man on the earlier issues of Tales of Suspense was very nice. PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dick Pontoon Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 Don Heck gets a bum rap, he was a fine artist. While his '50s era Comic Media and Atlas work may be his most satisfying, I like his pre-hero monster stories, '60s superhero stories and '70s output as well. Here’s a nice page from 1973. In the '70s his art could look pretty bad when matched with the wrong inker or if it was a last minute rush job. The biggest problem with his ‘60s books were the times he was trying too hard to mimic Kirby’s dynamics. He knew how to layout and tell a story visually better than a lot of modern artists. vaillant, Ken Aldred, Sandflea and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Dug out my last copy of GS Defenders 3 for sale other day. Bet I have sold 20 copies of this book in the last 2 years. Never had a book that I could sell that easy in any grade. Looks to be heating up again with some casting rumors. I could never find an above 8.0 copy. I think I sold my 8.0 for $140 last year. I recommend if you can find a high grade copy to buy it if you can get a good price. WolverineX, divad and Moondog 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun C89 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I picked up a GS Defenders 3 awhile back right before it got hot, not for flipping but for my collection. ADAMANTIUM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrayKnight Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, fastballspecial said: Dug out my last copy of GS Defenders 3 for sale other day. Bet I have sold 20 copies of this book in the last 2 years. Never had a book that I could sell that easy in any grade. Looks to be heating up again with some casting rumors. I could never find an above 8.0 copy. I think I sold my 8.0 for $140 last year. I recommend if you can find a high grade copy to buy it if you can get a good price. Yep, I bought a few copies myself from you...…..Thanks buddy! fastballspecial 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manetteska Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 hours ago, fastballspecial said: Dug out my last copy of GS Defenders 3 for sale other day. Bet I have sold 20 copies of this book in the last 2 years. Never had a book that I could sell that easy in any grade. Looks to be heating up again with some casting rumors. I could never find an above 8.0 copy. I think I sold my 8.0 for $140 last year. I recommend if you can find a high grade copy to buy it if you can get a good price. What kind of casting rumors? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, manetteska said: What kind of casting rumors? Link? Just do a quick search and you find them. Several spec sites spreading rumors causing the book to move again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffro. Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 11:16 AM, Pontoon said: Don Heck gets a bum rap, he was a fine artist. While his '50s era Comic Media and Atlas work may be his most satisfying, I like his pre-hero monster stories, '60s superhero stories and '70s output as well. Here’s a nice page from 1973. In the '70s his art could look pretty bad when matched with the wrong inker or if it was a last minute rush job. The biggest problem with his ‘60s books were the times he was trying too hard to mimic Kirby’s dynamics. He knew how to layout and tell a story visually better than a lot of modern artists. Okay, fair point. That actually looks pretty good although I have to wonder if some of that is the inker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkowl Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I'm so confused by today's market. I think it used to make sense a few years back, and I was on top of what was hot, flipping like crazy, etc. But now? I can't make heads or tails of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Sinescu Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/16/2020 at 10:34 PM, fastballspecial said: Dug out my last copy of GS Defenders 3 for sale other day. Bet I have sold 20 copies of this book in the last 2 years. Never had a book that I could sell that easy in any grade. Looks to be heating up again with some casting rumors. I could never find an above 8.0 copy. I think I sold my 8.0 for $140 last year. I recommend if you can find a high grade copy to buy it if you can get a good price. Thanks for the reminder, I've been sitting on 3 so-so copies including the most recent one which I picked out of a box for $5 at Heroes last year, just never got around to doing anything with any of them. I'll add these to my "scan and list" stack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmiesta Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 12 hours ago, Darkowl said: I'm so confused by today's market. I think it used to make sense a few years back, and I was on top of what was hot, flipping like crazy, etc. But now? I can't make heads or tails of it. That's because there is no sense to it. vaillant, Darkowl, ygogolak and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/13/2020 at 5:16 PM, Pontoon said: Don Heck gets a bum rap, he was a fine artist. While his '50s era Comic Media and Atlas work may be his most satisfying, I like his pre-hero monster stories, '60s superhero stories and '70s output as well. Here’s a nice page from 1973. In the '70s his art could look pretty bad when matched with the wrong inker or if it was a last minute rush job. The biggest problem with his ‘60s books were the times he was trying too hard to mimic Kirby’s dynamics. He knew how to layout and tell a story visually better than a lot of modern artists. I entirely agree, and it’s objective. Heck knew how to narrate, and the characters are always expressive. I tend to like most of the historical artists, for reasons of respect if not for other, so I appreciate Tuska as well, but it largely depends, as you say, on how the pencilers and inkers were matched. Colletta was able to draw very gracious expression, but it was not suitable to ink Kirby – and they commissioned him to ink Kirby too frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted February 23, 2020 Share Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 5:12 PM, batmiesta said: That's because there is no sense to it. And that’s why right now it’s even more important to sensitize people about the quality of the stories, characters development, etc. In a word, in what makes truly professional the work of a comics writer (even more than that of a comics artist). This also is even more relevant for the Marvel Age, with its precise poetics and conception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...